http://www.unionleader.com/article/20170...04/opinion
The Paris Climate Agreement signed last year by President Barack Obama was not a treaty, and thus American commitment to it expired when Obama left office.

Had Obama submitted the Paris agreement to the Senate, it would not have received the votes necessary to ratify it.

Had the Senate ratified the Paris agreement, targets for reductions in future CO2 emissions from power plants would have been voluntary and amendable.

Had the U.S. failed to meet its voluntary emissions targets, there would have been no penalty imposed.

Had the United States and every other country on Earth met their emissions targets from the Paris deal, the climate models used by its advocates predicted a reduction in the increase of global temperatures of just 0.2 degrees by 2100....



So why the hysterical freak-out?

Again here's what I don't understand. We can't let temperatures go up 2 degrees, that would be catastrophic. But 1.8 degrees is hunky dory. WTF? And if it's 1.8 in 2100, how long before that hits 2? And then where are we?

If this is really going to be the catastrophe that everyone talks about, we better be doing a lot more than reducing temperatures 0.2 degrees by 2100. Like maybe swap sides of the decimal and reduce them 2.0 degrees.

I think it's time for some honesty from the AGW crowd. Admit that either 1) it really isn't going to be that bad, or 2) we don't have a clue what to do about it. Using the projected catastrophe as a bludgeon to get an estimated 0.2 degree reduction is really dishonest and disingenuous. Let's sit down and talk about things that could actually make a measurable difference, or admit that there are none.

My favorite reaction to the withdrawal is the we have "relinquished our leadership role". Since when is "doing what everyone else is doing" considered "leadership"? It was a bad deal for the US to follow the accords as written. By withdrawing Trump has said--If you want US participation, then either lower the standards for everyone---or make everyone comply with the higher standards. Otherwise, we aren't going to force our American citizens to pay billion in extra costs and transfer billions to foreign governments to comply with a treaty that doesn't really do anything. Ask yourself this simple question---why is China treated more favorably under this agreement than the US? The answer is simple---because China made it clear early on they would refuse to sign the agreement if it didn't. End of story.

For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob. He went to Europe, acted like common trash and wasn't genuflected to. Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

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This is really bad politics on his part btw. He WILL lose supporters over this and will gain no one. He's probably going to win West Virginia and North Dakota no matter what.

And he started off with a hole of 3 million votes.

Right now Trump looks like a genius. The Paris Accord, Nato, Terrorism. He was right on every one of them. Its kind of hard to argue otherwise when A) noone can show where in the Paris accord that climate would be helped B) Nato countries are saying they will get their contributions to the correct levels and C) people in London are being told to run, hide, and tell.

(06-04-2017 05:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob. He went to Europe, acted like common trash and wasn't genuflected to. Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

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This is really bad politics on his part btw. He WILL lose supporters over this and will gain no one. He's probably going to win West Virginia and North Dakota no matter what.

And he started off with a hole of 3 million votes.

Wait---which is it. The Europeans pushed him around or Trump is bully.

Your problem is you just hate the guy.

What happened is he went to Europe and said to thier faces he wanted them to uphold THEIR end of the NATO pact (which is exactly what he said he would do in the campaign). Then, like he said in the campaign, he refused to sign an agreement that was a bad deal for the US (which is true---because if it were such a GREAT deal for America, it would have been able to easily pass the Senate).

Like him or not, he is at least doing what he said he would do. Like Ive said before, Trump wasnt my guy and has plenty of flaws---but this is the kind of stuff I actually like. If you attack his healthcare plan, I get that. I mean, I prefer his health plan to the current disaster, but only marginally so. I dont think its anywhere close to a real solution and completely understand why there are critics.

But opposing his position on the Paris accords, the travel ban, and the NATO demands---thats opposition born of dislike rather than logic.

(06-04-2017 06:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 05:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob. He went to Europe, acted like common trash and wasn't genuflected to. Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

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This is really bad politics on his part btw. He WILL lose supporters over this and will gain no one. He's probably going to win West Virginia and North Dakota no matter what.

And he started off with a hole of 3 million votes.

Wait---which is it. The Europeans pushed him around or Trump is bully.

Your problem is you just hate the guy.

What happened is he went to Europe and said to thier faces he wanted them to uphold THEIR end of the NATO pact (which exactly what he said he would do in the campaign). Then, like he said in the campaign, he refused to sign an agreement that was a bad deal for the US (which is true---because if it were such a GREAT deal for America, it would have been able to easily pass the Senate).

Like him or not, he is at least doing what he said he would do. Like Ive said before, Trump wasnt my guy and has plenty of flaws---but this is the kind of stuff I actually like. His healthcare plan Im alot less supportive. I mean, I prefer it to the current disaster, but only marginally so. I dont think its anywhere close to a real solution.

Trump is the bully. Its not about policy or even the USA, but about people genuflecting to him, personally (or paying him or his family).

Yea, but remember all those people who voted for him thinking...'oh course he didn't mean that....' Well, Trump just lost a bunch of those voters. And once someone says "I'm done", it usually takes a lot to bring them back. My prediction, Trump won't even try to.

(06-04-2017 06:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 05:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob. He went to Europe, acted like common trash and wasn't genuflected to. Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

---

This is really bad politics on his part btw. He WILL lose supporters over this and will gain no one. He's probably going to win West Virginia and North Dakota no matter what.

And he started off with a hole of 3 million votes.

Wait---which is it. The Europeans pushed him around or Trump is bully.

Your problem is you just hate the guy.

What happened is he went to Europe and said to thier faces he wanted them to uphold THEIR end of the NATO pact (which exactly what he said he would do in the campaign). Then, like he said in the campaign, he refused to sign an agreement that was a bad deal for the US (which is true---because if it were such a GREAT deal for America, it would have been able to easily pass the Senate).

Like him or not, he is at least doing what he said he would do. Like Ive said before, Trump wasnt my guy and has plenty of flaws---but this is the kind of stuff I actually like. His healthcare plan Im alot less supportive. I mean, I prefer it to the current disaster, but only marginally so. I dont think its anywhere close to a real solution.

Trump is the bully. Its not about policy or even the USA, but about people genuflecting to him, personally (or paying him or his family).

Yea, but remember all those people who voted for him thinking...'oh course he didn't mean that....' Well, Trump just lost a bunch of those voters. And once someone says "I'm done", it usually takes a lot to bring them back. My prediction, Trump won't even try to.

Tom, Im telling you the Democrats are playing with fire by backing positions that are not in the US best interest. The one thats going to bite them hardest is the travel ban. If ONE guy immigrates to this country and executes an attack that kills people---the Democrats will lose half their seats in the next off year election. They wont recover for a decade because they will become the party that's weak on national security and safety. This is a dangerous strategy with VERY little upside.

Like I said, the Dems could score alot of points by just hitting Trumps unforced errors. They dont need to take up bad horrifically dangerous policy positions for the sole purpose of obstruction.

(06-04-2017 06:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 05:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob. He went to Europe, acted like common trash and wasn't genuflected to. Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

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This is really bad politics on his part btw. He WILL lose supporters over this and will gain no one. He's probably going to win West Virginia and North Dakota no matter what.

And he started off with a hole of 3 million votes.

Wait---which is it. The Europeans pushed him around or Trump is bully.

Your problem is you just hate the guy.

What happened is he went to Europe and said to thier faces he wanted them to uphold THEIR end of the NATO pact (which exactly what he said he would do in the campaign). Then, like he said in the campaign, he refused to sign an agreement that was a bad deal for the US (which is true---because if it were such a GREAT deal for America, it would have been able to easily pass the Senate).

Like him or not, he is at least doing what he said he would do. Like Ive said before, Trump wasnt my guy and has plenty of flaws---but this is the kind of stuff I actually like. His healthcare plan Im alot less supportive. I mean, I prefer it to the current disaster, but only marginally so. I dont think its anywhere close to a real solution.

Trump is the bully. Its not about policy or even the USA, but about people genuflecting to him, personally (or paying him or his family).

Yea, but remember all those people who voted for him thinking...'oh course he didn't mean that....' Well, Trump just lost a bunch of those voters. And once someone says "I'm done", it usually takes a lot to bring them back. My prediction, Trump won't even try to.

Tom, Im telling you the Democrats are playing with fire by backing positions that are not in the US best interest. The one thats going to bite them hardest is the travel ban. If ONE guy immigrates to this country and executes an attack that kills people---the Democrats will lose half thier seats in the next off year election. They wont recover for a decade because they will be come the party that doesnt care about national security and safety. This is dangerous strategy with VERY little upside.

Like I said, the Dems could score alot of points by just hitting Trumps unforced errors. They dont need to take up bad horrifically dangerous policy positions for the sole purpose of obstruction.

I fully expect Russia to get ISIS to plan some attacks in the USA around the midterms.

The Dems won't lose any seats because of it.

(06-04-2017 06:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 05:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob. He went to Europe, acted like common trash and wasn't genuflected to. Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

---

This is really bad politics on his part btw. He WILL lose supporters over this and will gain no one. He's probably going to win West Virginia and North Dakota no matter what.

And he started off with a hole of 3 million votes.

Wait---which is it. The Europeans pushed him around or Trump is bully.

Your problem is you just hate the guy.

What happened is he went to Europe and said to thier faces he wanted them to uphold THEIR end of the NATO pact (which exactly what he said he would do in the campaign). Then, like he said in the campaign, he refused to sign an agreement that was a bad deal for the US (which is true---because if it were such a GREAT deal for America, it would have been able to easily pass the Senate).

Like him or not, he is at least doing what he said he would do. Like Ive said before, Trump wasnt my guy and has plenty of flaws---but this is the kind of stuff I actually like. His healthcare plan Im alot less supportive. I mean, I prefer it to the current disaster, but only marginally so. I dont think its anywhere close to a real solution.

Trump is the bully. Its not about policy or even the USA, but about people genuflecting to him, personally (or paying him or his family).

Yea, but remember all those people who voted for him thinking...'oh course he didn't mean that....' Well, Trump just lost a bunch of those voters. And once someone says "I'm done", it usually takes a lot to bring them back. My prediction, Trump won't even try to.

You're living in your delusional bubble. The people who hated him still hate him. The people who loved him still love him. The people who voted for him but were skeptical are mostly pleased. Politico did a survey and 45% thought he was doing a great job. 43% thought he was a disaster and should be immediately impeached. Note that Politico is a "wholly owned" Clinton site, so its not like this is biased in his favor.

(06-04-2017 06:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 05:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob. He went to Europe, acted like common trash and wasn't genuflected to. Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

---

This is really bad politics on his part btw. He WILL lose supporters over this and will gain no one. He's probably going to win West Virginia and North Dakota no matter what.

And he started off with a hole of 3 million votes.

Wait---which is it. The Europeans pushed him around or Trump is bully.

Your problem is you just hate the guy.

What happened is he went to Europe and said to thier faces he wanted them to uphold THEIR end of the NATO pact (which exactly what he said he would do in the campaign). Then, like he said in the campaign, he refused to sign an agreement that was a bad deal for the US (which is true---because if it were such a GREAT deal for America, it would have been able to easily pass the Senate).

Like him or not, he is at least doing what he said he would do. Like Ive said before, Trump wasnt my guy and has plenty of flaws---but this is the kind of stuff I actually like. His healthcare plan Im alot less supportive. I mean, I prefer it to the current disaster, but only marginally so. I dont think its anywhere close to a real solution.

Trump is the bully. Its not about policy or even the USA, but about people genuflecting to him, personally (or paying him or his family).

Yea, but remember all those people who voted for him thinking...'oh course he didn't mean that....' Well, Trump just lost a bunch of those voters. And once someone says "I'm done", it usually takes a lot to bring them back. My prediction, Trump won't even try to.

Tom, Im telling you the Democrats are playing with fire by backing positions that are not in the US best interest. The one thats going to bite them hardest is the travel ban. If ONE guy immigrates to this country and executes an attack that kills people---the Democrats will lose half thier seats in the next off year election. They wont recover for a decade because they will be come the party that doesnt care about national security and safety. This is dangerous strategy with VERY little upside.

Like I said, the Dems could score alot of points by just hitting Trumps unforced errors. They dont need to take up bad horrifically dangerous policy positions for the sole purpose of obstruction.

I fully expect Russia to get ISIS to plan some attacks in the USA around the midterms.

The Dems won't lose any seats because of it.

The same isis they are fighting against in Syria? You guys are delusional. But you got your talking points all ready to go. Just a matter of when to use them.

(06-04-2017 06:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 05:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob. He went to Europe, acted like common trash and wasn't genuflected to. Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

---

This is really bad politics on his part btw. He WILL lose supporters over this and will gain no one. He's probably going to win West Virginia and North Dakota no matter what.

And he started off with a hole of 3 million votes.

Wait---which is it. The Europeans pushed him around or Trump is bully.

Your problem is you just hate the guy.

What happened is he went to Europe and said to thier faces he wanted them to uphold THEIR end of the NATO pact (which exactly what he said he would do in the campaign). Then, like he said in the campaign, he refused to sign an agreement that was a bad deal for the US (which is true---because if it were such a GREAT deal for America, it would have been able to easily pass the Senate).

Like him or not, he is at least doing what he said he would do. Like Ive said before, Trump wasnt my guy and has plenty of flaws---but this is the kind of stuff I actually like. His healthcare plan Im alot less supportive. I mean, I prefer it to the current disaster, but only marginally so. I dont think its anywhere close to a real solution.

Trump is the bully. Its not about policy or even the USA, but about people genuflecting to him, personally (or paying him or his family).

Yea, but remember all those people who voted for him thinking...'oh course he didn't mean that....' Well, Trump just lost a bunch of those voters. And once someone says "I'm done", it usually takes a lot to bring them back. My prediction, Trump won't even try to.

And again, let's look back at your history of accurate predictions.

(06-04-2017 06:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump is the bully.

good. I'd rather have a bully President than a lump wristed pu$$y like your boy Obama.

did Trump give you wedgies in high school too?


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(06-04-2017 09:36 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump is the bully.

good. I'd rather have a bully President than a lump wristed pu$$y like your boy Obama.

did Trump give you wedgies in high school too?


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Nah, Trump just gave him swirlies.

Putin gave him wedgies.

(06-04-2017 07:15 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 06:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Wait---which is it. The Europeans pushed him around or Trump is bully.

Your problem is you just hate the guy.

What happened is he went to Europe and said to thier faces he wanted them to uphold THEIR end of the NATO pact (which exactly what he said he would do in the campaign). Then, like he said in the campaign, he refused to sign an agreement that was a bad deal for the US (which is true---because if it were such a GREAT deal for America, it would have been able to easily pass the Senate).

Like him or not, he is at least doing what he said he would do. Like Ive said before, Trump wasnt my guy and has plenty of flaws---but this is the kind of stuff I actually like. His healthcare plan Im alot less supportive. I mean, I prefer it to the current disaster, but only marginally so. I dont think its anywhere close to a real solution.

Trump is the bully. Its not about policy or even the USA, but about people genuflecting to him, personally (or paying him or his family).

Yea, but remember all those people who voted for him thinking...'oh course he didn't mean that....' Well, Trump just lost a bunch of those voters. And once someone says "I'm done", it usually takes a lot to bring them back. My prediction, Trump won't even try to.

Tom, Im telling you the Democrats are playing with fire by backing positions that are not in the US best interest. The one thats going to bite them hardest is the travel ban. If ONE guy immigrates to this country and executes an attack that kills people---the Democrats will lose half thier seats in the next off year election. They wont recover for a decade because they will be come the party that doesnt care about national security and safety. This is dangerous strategy with VERY little upside.

Like I said, the Dems could score alot of points by just hitting Trumps unforced errors. They dont need to take up bad horrifically dangerous policy positions for the sole purpose of obstruction.

I fully expect Russia to get ISIS to plan some attacks in the USA around the midterms.

The Dems won't lose any seats because of it.

The same isis they are fighting against in Syria? You guys are delusional. But you got your talking points all ready to go. Just a matter of when to use them.

Russia isn't fighting ISIS in Syria.

(06-04-2017 05:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob.

If you stop here, you're good... But you won't..

Quote:He went to Europe, acted like common trash

Ahh the elitist tolerant progressives.

Quote:Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

Ummmm you do know he ran on getting us out of Paris right?

(06-04-2017 04:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  My favorite reaction to the withdrawal is the we have "relinquished our leadership role". Since when is "doing what everyone else is doing" considered "leadership"? It was a bad deal for the US to follow the accords as written. By withdrawing Trump has said--If you want US participation, then either lower the standards for everyone---or make everyone comply with the higher standards. Otherwise, we aren't going to force our American citizens to pay billion in extra costs and transfer billions to foreign governments to comply with a treaty that doesn't really do anything. Ask yourself this simple question---why is China treated more favorably under this agreement than the US? The answer is simple---because China made it clear early on they would refuse to sign the agreement if it didn't. End of story.

This was nothing more than another lame attempt by a failed presidency in search of some sort of legacy. Otherwise this would have gone the actual "Treaty" route, which this did not. This is not a treaty.

This was, yet again, ES sitting in the prime balcony seats accepting the shower of applause, all while wearing a crepe paper tux.

(06-04-2017 05:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob. He went to Europe, acted like common trash and wasn't genuflected to. Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

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This is really bad politics on his part btw. He WILL lose supporters over this and will gain no one. He's probably going to win West Virginia and North Dakota no matter what.

And he started off with a hole of 3 million votes.

Oh no...not MUH POPULAR VOTE!!

(06-04-2017 11:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 05:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob. He went to Europe, acted like common trash and wasn't genuflected to. Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

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This is really bad politics on his part btw. He WILL lose supporters over this and will gain no one. He's probably going to win West Virginia and North Dakota no matter what.

And he started off with a hole of 3 million votes.

Oh no...not MUH POPULAR VOTE!!

Trump probably lost 500,000 to a million votes over this. Where will he make them up.

Even with white gerrymandering in the EC, it gets really difficult to win with a deficit of 5 million votes.

(06-05-2017 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 11:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 05:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, its just a sign that Trump is acting like a boob. He went to Europe, acted like common trash and wasn't genuflected to. Therefore, he decided to fully endorse pollution and more global warming as a way to get back at them, much like a petty 5 year old bully.

---

This is really bad politics on his part btw. He WILL lose supporters over this and will gain no one. He's probably going to win West Virginia and North Dakota no matter what.

And he started off with a hole of 3 million votes.

Oh no...not MUH POPULAR VOTE!!

Trump probably lost 500,000 to a million votes over this. Where will he make them up.

Even with white gerrymandering in the EC, it gets really difficult to win with a deficit of 5 million votes.

Just like you stated that Texas was in play?