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(06-03-2017 01:14 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Paterno's son has been voted onto the BOT?? REALLY! WOW! That is ______(fill in your own blank).

is total lack of remorse! 07-coffee3
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(06-03-2017 11:27 AM)panite Wrote:  
(06-03-2017 10:10 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 04:46 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 04:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  The many children who were assaulted have to deal with a lifetime of negative residual affects of being sexually assaulted and raped, because of the selfish acts of these people as they decided to look the other way. Its not that easy for these children to move on.

No kidding Sherlock.

I did already realize that, but thanks for your reminder (that doubled as an opportunity for you to lecture downward upon a dirt-bag Penn State fan).

Sandusky, Curley, Schultz and Spanier all were tried criminally, and all were found guilty of various things and all are serving jail time.

This world isn't perfect, but the above sounds like "justice has been served" to me.

The bolded portion just shows how out of touch with reality most PSU fans are. There was no justice done in this case. The complicit parties could never be punished enough. 05-mafia

AMEN - and to further add that Paterno's son has just been voted on to the BOT which shows that Penn State is not moving on but backwards. It is the same son who was a coach under Joe when all of this was going on and he had to have knowledge of the situation at the time too. What is next the return of Joe's statue to the general public in front of the stadium to glorify him again. Appears to be a lot of short memories associated with that school at least for the boys who were attacked. 04-jawdrop 03-weeping 01-wingedeagle 03-nutkick 05-nono

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(06-03-2017 11:40 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 04:46 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 04:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  The many children who were assaulted have to deal with a lifetime of negative residual affects of being sexually assaulted and raped, because of the selfish acts of these people as they decided to look the other way. Its not that easy for these children to move on.

No kidding Sherlock.

I did already realize that, but thanks for your reminder (that doubled as an opportunity for you to lecture downward upon a dirt-bag Penn State fan).

Sandusky, Curley, Schultz and Spanier all were tried criminally, and all were found guilty of various things and all are serving jail time.

This world isn't perfect, but the above sounds like "justice has been served" to me.

In deed and in prison, they well could become prison B-itches, which would be karma at its best! 07-coffee3

Doubtful...they will be doing easy time in a min security place...essentially they are getting "time outs" for 2-3 months.
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(06-03-2017 01:14 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Paterno's son has been voted onto the BOT?? REALLY! WOW! That is ______(fill in your own blank).

Typical Penn State BS.
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(06-03-2017 10:10 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  The bolded portion just shows how out of touch with reality most PSU fans are. There was no justice done in this case. The complicit parties could never be punished enough. 05-mafia

Curley, Sandusky, Schultz and Spanier all got trials by jury, and the jury ruled.

Fair enough if you think I am "out of touch." But likewise, I think you are "out of touch" with how the justice system works in America. It's not a vigilante system.
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(06-03-2017 01:14 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Paterno's son has been voted onto the BOT?? REALLY! WOW! That is ______(fill in your own blank).

That is true. About 2.5% of PSU alumni who were eligible to vote decided to vote for him. That was enough to win the election.

I was not among those 2.5% ---- but I'm not criticizing "Jay the PSU BOT member" yet. He may spend absolutely none of his time worrying about issues related to his father, and instead spend his time on some greater University issues (e.g., initiatives that will make the school more affordable, it is getting well-out-of-hand cost-wise versus its land-grant peers).

I'm certainly not betting on that happening. I wouldn't bet on that happening even if I got 50:1 odds. But his term hasn't even begun yet; he gets a chance before I'll criticize.
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(06-03-2017 03:08 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(06-03-2017 10:10 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  The bolded portion just shows how out of touch with reality most PSU fans are. There was no justice done in this case. The complicit parties could never be punished enough. 05-mafia

Curley, Sandusky, Schultz and Spanier all got trials by jury, and the jury ruled.

Fair enough if you think I am "out of touch." But likewise, I think you are "out of touch" with how the justice system works in America. It's not a vigilante system.

Count me as one of the alums who is still shaking their heads over the whole wtf of this, as these slaps on the wrists just get tossed onto that massive pile of **** that is this total failure.

Good message the courts sent with this one: sit on this atrocity, get a couple of months in the cell, but more in your own home. They still get their pension, iirc, and Spanier's still suing for even more money after getting millions in severance.

Nobody has gotten this right anywhere along the way.

My last hope is that the state of PA considers dropping PSU employees from PSERS.
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(06-03-2017 03:38 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Count me as one of the alums who is still shaking their heads over the whole wtf of this, as these slaps on the wrists just get tossed onto that massive pile of **** that is this total failure.

Good message the courts sent with this one: sit on this atrocity, get a couple of months in the cell, but more in your own home. They still get their pension, iirc, and Spanier's still suing for even more money after getting millions in severance.

Nobody has gotten this right anywhere along the way.

My last hope is that the state of PA considers dropping PSU employees from PSERS.

But as regards the sentence ---- Spanier wasn't found guilty as regards the felonies, only the misdemeanor.

The courts have rules they must follow sentencing - the judge couldn't give Spanier 5 years or such given what he was actually convicted of. I'm not seeing where they did overly much wrong here.
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(06-02-2017 03:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 02:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/3-ex...spartanntp

"...Ex-president Graham Spanier, 68, got a sentence of 4 to 12 months, with the first two to be spent in jail and the rest under house arrest.
Former university athletic director Tim Curley, 63, received a sentence of 7 to 23 months, with three in jail. Former vice president Gary Schultz, 67, was sentenced to 6 to 23 months, with two months behind bars...."

"The judge also criticized the actions of the late head football coach, Joe Paterno, who like the other administrators failed to alert child-welfare authorities or police to the 2001 complaint, but was never charged with a crime.

Paterno "could have made that phone call without so much as getting his hands dirty. Why he didn't is beyond me," Judge Boccabella said.

- Levy & Rubinkam, AP, 6/2/17.


The state politicians need to change the laws to have Paterno be charged with. Under the state's law? All he had to do was tell his boss which he did. So, under the state's law, he did abide by what was required of him to do.
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I'm thinking about running for the next BOT election. I won't win because I'm too honest, but it's heart breaking to see how criminally mismanaged my alma mater is.
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Oh, you just know that statue is going back up before too long. That's just who they are, who they have always been, and who they will always be.

When it does go back up, which probably can be measured in months rather than years, because they are sick, I just hope for historical accuracy's sake, they rotate the statue ever so slightly to reflect Joe looking the other way.
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(06-04-2017 08:08 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Oh, you just know that statue is going back up before too long. That's just who they are, who they have always been, and who they will always be.

When it does go back up, which probably can be measured in months rather than years, because they are sick, I just hope for historical accuracy's sake, they rotate the statue ever so slightly to reflect Joe looking the other way.

No, it's not going back up. Despite the dreams of folk like you.

Admit it --- you WANT it up so you can play the "I am so much better than them folk" card.
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(06-03-2017 03:14 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(06-03-2017 01:14 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Paterno's son has been voted onto the BOT?? REALLY! WOW! That is ______(fill in your own blank).

That is true. About 2.5% of PSU alumni who were eligible to vote decided to vote for him. That was enough to win the election.

I was not among those 2.5% ---- but I'm not criticizing "Jay the PSU BOT member" yet. He may spend absolutely none of his time worrying about issues related to his father, and instead spend his time on some greater University issues (e.g., initiatives that will make the school more affordable, it is getting well-out-of-hand cost-wise versus its land-grant peers).

I'm certainly not betting on that happening. I wouldn't bet on that happening even if I got 50:1 odds. But his term hasn't even begun yet; he gets a chance before I'll criticize.

Your right about the cost - $39k and change for instate tuition for that "state" school and not much of a break for the satellite campus's either - just shy of $40k for instate students. Tuition jumped significantly since making those payouts in court and off the cuff in private to keep stuff out of the public eye. 07-coffee3
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The sleazy part of costs is its state-related status. If this was truly a public school, the money trail would make sense. Nope, it's a partially private school, but they use that fraction and run it to appear fully private when it suits them.

And it suits them often.

This is why I'd love to see the state put its foot down and cut the school off from the state pension system (similar institutions, like Pitt and Temple, don't get the perk). The school hogs state funding, can't manage its operations, and pulls a one-two punch back onto the kids: high pricetag, low four-year grad rate. It's worse for the satellite campus students, but, hey... they get a Penn State experience, right?! The taxpayers are stuck with that almost cradle to grave...I wish they'd turn them over.
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(06-04-2017 11:05 PM)panite Wrote:  Your right about the cost - $39k and change for instate tuition for that "state" school and not much of a break for the satellite campus's either - just shy of $40k for instate students. Tuition jumped significantly since making those payouts in court and off the cuff in private to keep stuff out of the public eye. 07-coffee3

Tuition was super-high well before 2011. That was due to Graham Spanier's strategy of "(1) build lots of buildings, (2) expend little effort toward cost-control, and (3) whine perpetually to Harrisburg to give us more money when we do face a crisis."

Point being: I don't think there's a correlation between the Sandusky affair and today's high tuition. Tuition had already been high before that.
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(06-02-2017 03:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 02:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/3-ex...spartanntp

"...Ex-president Graham Spanier, 68, got a sentence of 4 to 12 months, with the first two to be spent in jail and the rest under house arrest.
Former university athletic director Tim Curley, 63, received a sentence of 7 to 23 months, with three in jail. Former vice president Gary Schultz, 67, was sentenced to 6 to 23 months, with two months behind bars...."

"The judge also criticized the actions of the late head football coach, Joe Paterno, who like the other administrators failed to alert child-welfare authorities or police to the 2001 complaint, but was never charged with a crime.

Paterno "could have made that phone call without so much as getting his hands dirty. Why he didn't is beyond me," Judge Boccabella said.

- Levy & Rubinkam, AP, 6/2/17.

Everybody knows why nobody made phone calls - they were afraid of what might happen to the football program and the money that goes with it.
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(06-05-2017 09:01 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 03:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 02:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/3-ex...spartanntp

"...Ex-president Graham Spanier, 68, got a sentence of 4 to 12 months, with the first two to be spent in jail and the rest under house arrest.
Former university athletic director Tim Curley, 63, received a sentence of 7 to 23 months, with three in jail. Former vice president Gary Schultz, 67, was sentenced to 6 to 23 months, with two months behind bars...."

"The judge also criticized the actions of the late head football coach, Joe Paterno, who like the other administrators failed to alert child-welfare authorities or police to the 2001 complaint, but was never charged with a crime.

Paterno "could have made that phone call without so much as getting his hands dirty. Why he didn't is beyond me," Judge Boccabella said.

- Levy & Rubinkam, AP, 6/2/17.

Everybody knows why nobody made phone calls - they were afraid of what might happen to the football program and the money that goes with it.

That might be why it continued to go un/underreported. This going back into the 70's, that's Paterno and Tarman trying to save their keisters.
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Joe was a terrible "human being," but he's dead now. The school should care about the victims, but it doesn't. That fact and opinion aren't going to change. It's incredibly sad, but it's true.
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(06-05-2017 11:57 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Joe was a terrible "human being," but he's dead now. The school should care about the victims, but it doesn't. That fact and opinion aren't going to change. It's incredibly sad, but it's true.

It is. And, really, the Paterno component of it, his "legacy?" It needs to be put on the back burner by the entire administrative and board structure.

The one glimmer of hope out of all of this was that PSU could have really turned the corner/started anew institutionally. Then, I forgot this was Penn State. It's simply not structured to handle this in a way that distinguishes itself institutionally apart from athletics. It's anchored to Paterno's legacy and football until a very large number of people associated with the school and fans of football no longer walk the earth.
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(06-05-2017 12:40 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 11:57 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Joe was a terrible "human being," but he's dead now. The school should care about the victims, but it doesn't. That fact and opinion aren't going to change. It's incredibly sad, but it's true.

It is. And, really, the Paterno component of it, his "legacy?" It needs to be put on the back burner by the entire administrative and board structure.

The one glimmer of hope out of all of this was that PSU could have really turned the corner/started anew institutionally. Then, I forgot this was Penn State. It's simply not structured to handle this in a way that distinguishes itself institutionally apart from athletics. It's anchored to Paterno's legacy and football until a very large number of people associated with the school and fans of football no longer walk the earth.

So true.
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