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(06-02-2017 05:43 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Penn State would have gotten public support and eradicated a lot of bad press had they suspended their football program for a year (to show that their school was bigger than football and that they truly do not support or tolerate the crimes that were committed before).
It would've taken 2 or 3 years to persuade me that the remorse was genuine. But I agree that merely 1 year off would've done the trick, as far as the media and most of the public was concerned.

Way back in April 1985, Tulane's MBB program was suddenly engulfed in a point-shaving scandal involving 2 or 3 players and one of the fraternities. (I think it was Sammy but memory has faded). Nobody was physically harmed and the dollar-amounts involved were laughably quaint by today's standards. But still, it was an embarrassment and the university president -- Eamon Kelly -- moved immediately to terminate the MBB program. He said the decision was permanent.

He later relented on the "permanent" part, but the self-imposed ban didn't end until Perry Clark's team took to the court in November '89: almost 5 years later. Kelly's decision to suspend was not supported by most Tulane alums or students. I'm not sure if I would've supported it myself.

But the point is simply this: sometimes, leadership requires you to make difficult, unpopular decisions. At a critical moment, Penn State had no one capable of exercising leadership. The price for that failure will take a lifetime to fully pay.
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(06-03-2017 01:16 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(06-03-2017 12:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-03-2017 10:10 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 04:46 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 04:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  The many children who were assaulted have to deal with a lifetime of negative residual affects of being sexually assaulted and raped, because of the selfish acts of these people as they decided to look the other way. Its not that easy for these children to move on.

No kidding Sherlock.

I did already realize that, but thanks for your reminder (that doubled as an opportunity for you to lecture downward upon a dirt-bag Penn State fan).

Sandusky, Curley, Schultz and Spanier all were tried criminally, and all were found guilty of various things and all are serving jail time.

This world isn't perfect, but the above sounds like "justice has been served" to me.

The bolded portion just shows how out of touch with reality most PSU fans are. There was no justice done in this case. The complicit parties could never be punished enough. 05-mafia

Negligence doesn't deserve a life term. These people violated their duties and were rightfully convicted. But they didn't participate. They just turned away when they suspected bad things were going on.

This is what's wrong with America today. Freaking apologists and their lack of a moral compass. I'll remind you of that when someone has your kid bent over in the shower, to swallow your anger and except that they just turned away when they suspected something was going on. Your response is sickening.

Your lack of perspective is sickening. No mental compass. That's part of the problem with America.

They belong in jail. I don't think anyone on this thread has apologized for them. But they aren't the same as someone who actually did the crime.
06-06-2017 08:35 AM
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(06-05-2017 08:37 AM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(06-04-2017 11:05 PM)panite Wrote:  Your right about the cost - $39k and change for instate tuition for that "state" school and not much of a break for the satellite campus's either - just shy of $40k for instate students. Tuition jumped significantly since making those payouts in court and off the cuff in private to keep stuff out of the public eye. 07-coffee3

Tuition was super-high well before 2011. That was due to Graham Spanier's strategy of "(1) build lots of buildings, (2) expend little effort toward cost-control, and (3) whine perpetually to Harrisburg to give us more money when we do face a crisis."

Point being: I don't think there's a correlation between the Sandusky affair and today's high tuition. Tuition had already been high before that.

Pitt and PSU have regularly jockeyed for "first" with the highest instate tuition among the nation's public universities for years. It's a PA Gov't problem with a gross neglect at funding both schools compared to other states. I grew up in PA and went to Pitt. I have 3 kids with 2 of them who will go to college when the time comes. I will NEVER move back to PA because I have kids. If you have smart kids who will be college bound, it is not smart to stick around PA. I wouldn't be surprised to see a brain drain from the state if tuition continues to be as out of whack as it is. College tuition is terrible.
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(06-05-2017 09:01 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 03:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 02:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/3-ex...spartanntp

"...Ex-president Graham Spanier, 68, got a sentence of 4 to 12 months, with the first two to be spent in jail and the rest under house arrest.
Former university athletic director Tim Curley, 63, received a sentence of 7 to 23 months, with three in jail. Former vice president Gary Schultz, 67, was sentenced to 6 to 23 months, with two months behind bars...."

"The judge also criticized the actions of the late head football coach, Joe Paterno, who like the other administrators failed to alert child-welfare authorities or police to the 2001 complaint, but was never charged with a crime.

Paterno "could have made that phone call without so much as getting his hands dirty. Why he didn't is beyond me," Judge Boccabella said.

- Levy & Rubinkam, AP, 6/2/17.

Everybody knows why nobody made phone calls - they were afraid of what might happen to the football program and the money that goes with it.

"Everybody" doesn't "know" that. I think you are delusional if you don't think similar things couldn't happen other places. Its happened in the Catholic Church! Boston Diocese. Repeatedly.

The danger is if you think the lesson it that PSU had a sick culture. It did. But that isn't the true lesson. The lesson is how easy people turn away from the unpleasant and let it happen. And how easily people can justify their actions (Florida St., Montana, Baylor, etc.). And how easily people get intimidated by authority. Just having any connection to Paterno made people scared to talk.
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(06-06-2017 08:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-03-2017 01:16 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(06-03-2017 12:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-03-2017 10:10 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 04:46 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  No kidding Sherlock.

I did already realize that, but thanks for your reminder (that doubled as an opportunity for you to lecture downward upon a dirt-bag Penn State fan).

Sandusky, Curley, Schultz and Spanier all were tried criminally, and all were found guilty of various things and all are serving jail time.

This world isn't perfect, but the above sounds like "justice has been served" to me.

The bolded portion just shows how out of touch with reality most PSU fans are. There was no justice done in this case. The complicit parties could never be punished enough. 05-mafia

Negligence doesn't deserve a life term. These people violated their duties and were rightfully convicted. But they didn't participate. They just turned away when they suspected bad things were going on.

This is what's wrong with America today. Freaking apologists and their lack of a moral compass. I'll remind you of that when someone has your kid bent over in the shower, to swallow your anger and except that they just turned away when they suspected something was going on. Your response is sickening.

Your lack of perspective is sickening. No mental compass. That's part of the problem with America.

They belong in jail. I don't think anyone on this thread has apologized for them. But they aren't the same as someone who actually did the crime.

I do have perspective and a mental compass. The same can't be said for you. These men were informed that some acts/crimes were being committed and either failed to act or took steps to prevent word of the acts/crimes from being reported to authorities. How do you not lay at least some responsibility on their shoulders? I'm certain that if it were your child involved, you'd have a different point of view or maybe not. Perhaps you'd just deny it all together. That's a wonderful position to take and bodes well for your kids. 03-banghead
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We cannot control the sentences the court gave these accomplices.


BUT--people at Penn St. DO control who goes on the BOT.

OBVIOUSLY Paterno's son does not belong in this position.It is disrespectful,alarming, and shocking.SMH!!!!!!!!



If nothing else just think how STUPID this looks!
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(06-06-2017 08:35 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 08:37 AM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(06-04-2017 11:05 PM)panite Wrote:  Your right about the cost - $39k and change for instate tuition for that "state" school and not much of a break for the satellite campus's either - just shy of $40k for instate students. Tuition jumped significantly since making those payouts in court and off the cuff in private to keep stuff out of the public eye. 07-coffee3

Tuition was super-high well before 2011. That was due to Graham Spanier's strategy of "(1) build lots of buildings, (2) expend little effort toward cost-control, and (3) whine perpetually to Harrisburg to give us more money when we do face a crisis."

Point being: I don't think there's a correlation between the Sandusky affair and today's high tuition. Tuition had already been high before that.

Pitt and PSU have regularly jockeyed for "first" with the highest instate tuition among the nation's public universities for years. It's a PA Gov't problem with a gross neglect at funding both schools compared to other states. I grew up in PA and went to Pitt. I have 3 kids with 2 of them who will go to college when the time comes. I will NEVER move back to PA because I have kids. If you have smart kids who will be college bound, it is not smart to stick around PA. I wouldn't be surprised to see a brain drain from the state if tuition continues to be as out of whack as it is. College tuition is terrible.

It depends on where you live, but, as a nearly lifelong PA resident, that perspective has shifted from what used to be pride in the PA education systems.

Where you live determines the quality of the public education system available to you. Charters are a joke; executed poorly. In higher education, that spat between the three commonwealth schools are done at the expense of the PASSHE institutions. The quality is inconsistent, but the price just keeps climbing.

It's one thing to go to school or live in the state. To actually settle down and root? This state is unrecognizable to the one I grew up and learned within.
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