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(06-03-2017 02:28 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 06:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:39 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:33 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  We dont need a school that has no athletic budget let them rot.

Their budget would grow while in the AAC though.


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Really? Where do you get this stuff?

Actually, I believe it would increase greatly in the AAC.

Of course, not from the share of AAC conference media distributions.

Southern Miss has been hurt by no longer planning its rivals in conference games after being left behind in conference realignment. This has hurt fan support. Bring those games back and fan support again swells.

When looking at a map, Southern Miss is on a figurative island where there are no P5 schools in rich southern recruiting grounds near the cool gulf port city of Mobile, AL. Not getting Southern Miss is a long term miss for the AAC.

Jmho,

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Lots of people on the MS Gulf coast with Gulfport and Biloxi. Huge USM following down here. I noticed the AAC still has that fake conference swagger. Lose it...

(06-03-2017 11:35 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 02:28 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 06:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:39 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:33 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  We dont need a school that has no athletic budget let them rot.

Their budget would grow while in the AAC though.


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Really? Where do you get this stuff?

Actually, I believe it would increase greatly in the AAC.

Of course, not from the share of AAC conference media distributions.

Southern Miss has been hurt by no longer planning its rivals in conference games after being left behind in conference realignment. This has hurt fan support. Bring those games back and fan support again swells.

When looking at a map, Southern Miss is on a figurative island where there are no P5 schools in rich southern recruiting grounds near the cool gulf port city of Mobile, AL. Not getting Southern Miss is a long term miss for the AAC.

Jmho,

Lurker Above

Lots of people on the MS Gulf coast with Gulfport and Biloxi. Huge USM following down here. I noticed the AAC still has that fake conference swagger. Lose it...

So we're talking about, what, maybe 500,000 people in that entire region? Hell, the Gulfport-Biloxi metro area is less than 300,000. Every metro area in the American is around 1,000,000 or above except for Greenville, but ECU puts close to 50,000 in the stands every Saturday and has a healthy budget. Southern Miss is just not AAC material whether you like it or not. It's not about a "conference swagger"... it's just facts.

(06-03-2017 02:28 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 06:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:39 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:33 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  We dont need a school that has no athletic budget let them rot.

Their budget would grow while in the AAC though.


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Really? Where do you get this stuff?

Actually, I believe it would increase greatly in the AAC.

Of course, not from the share of AAC conference media distributions.

Southern Miss has been hurt by no longer planning its rivals in conference games after being left behind in conference realignment. This has hurt fan support. Bring those games back and fan support again swells.

When looking at a map, Southern Miss is on a figurative island where there are no P5 schools in rich southern recruiting grounds near the cool gulf port city of Mobile, AL. Not getting Southern Miss is a long term miss for the AAC.

Jmho,

Lurker Above

In 2011, Southern Miss was a top 25 team that won the C-USA championship. Most of its familiar foes were still in the league... Memphis, Houston, East Carolina, SMU, etc. Yet they still failed to sell out their 36,000-seat stadium the entire season. Great school with a storied history, but their fan support would be, at best, average among AAC schools. But after you throw in the budget problems and tiny market... USM to the AAC just makes no sense.

I have no problem with southern Mississippi in the AAC, Iam thinking football here , Iam not concerned about attendance, Iam more interested in cutting into sec recruiting grounds

Probably with the exception of Cincinnati, Southern Miss belongs in the AAC more than anyone else current in it. They got screwed big time by not getting an invite.

(06-02-2017 02:41 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:33 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Hattiesburg MS, for a start.
$25M athletic budget.

Southern Miss' best days are likely in the rear view mirror. Brett Farve is gone, and he ain't coming back.

SEC was built on small college towns, your point being?

Yes, but we're not talking about the SEC. The AAC is a different group with a different approach.

(06-03-2017 12:36 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:33 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Hattiesburg MS, for a start.
$25M athletic budget.

Southern Miss' best days are likely in the rear view mirror. Brett Farve is gone, and he ain't coming back.

So what about Hattiesburg, MS.? What about Auburn, AL; Eugene, Oregon; Ann Arbor, MI; Baton Rouge, LA.; Norman, OK.; Athens, GA.; South Bend, IN; Provo, UT; Tucson, AZ.; Syracuse, NY; Ithaca, NY? Who says Southern Miss' best days are in the rear view? People claimed that about 'Bama and then they went & hired Saban, who in turn, beat the crap out of the SEC. Yes, Brett Favre is gone, but that doesn't mean he can't come back as a coach. It doesn't mean that USM can't find another good qb who's just as good as Favre, if not even better.

You're taking this as a slam on Hattiesburg MS. It's not, not really.

Look at the Big EAst/AAC expansion history last round.
SMU, Houston, UCF, Boise STate, SDSU, Navy, plus Temple and Memphis. Or more accurately, DFW, Houston, Orlando, San Diego, Boise, (Navy), Philadelphia and Memphis. 6 of those 8 in cities with pro sports teams, with Boise STate as the exception. (I'm not counting Navy as part of the BAltimore or Washington markets, because more of Navy's appeal is national than local.)

Then Tulane, ECU and Tulsa. One NBA city, one near-million metro area, and East CArolina, which vociferously claimed reach throughout the Carolinas and Tidewater, backed up by butts in seats.

Southern Miss and Hattiesburg MS just don't fit that model, their past history of success notwithstanding.

Does anyone know what USM, UAB, UTEP, Rice, and Marshall recieved in exit fees when over half of their conference left for the old Big East/AAC?

As if you're all THAT.

The Big12 said it loud and clear that Cincy, Houston, and/or BYU are not good enough to warrant an invite. That's only going to change with either Texas and/or Oklahoma leaving. At that point, the dominos tumble again.

(06-02-2017 07:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  They also have a long term problem that's harder to overcome. A decade ago, S Miss was the only real area choice for overlooked SEC talent that wanted to play for a winning program. Hell, they even would win their fair share of recruiting battles against Ole Miss and Miss St.

But these days---They have more competitive G5 schools feeding off their recruiting grounds. Schools that didn't used to be able to steal recruits are picking up 1 or 2 a year in that area. ULL, LaTech, ArkySt, S Alabama are all offering viable alternatives to overlooked SEC talent in Miss, Louisiana, and Alabama. Plus---Ole Miss and Miss State don't suck as bad as they used to. Add it all up and it starts be a significant factor making it difficult for S Miss to be the consistent power they used to be.

I expect them to have their share of good years---but the days of 17 consecutive winning seasons probably aren't coming back. They are going to be much more up and down---more like the surrounding G5 programs from here on.

I was the first to make this observation.

Back when Bower had it cranked up in the 1990s, Florida only had three Division 1 schools. UCF and USF hadn't started yet. UAB hadn't started football. Middle Tenn and Western Ky weren't FBS. Neither were Georgia St or Georgia Southern.

Further, Louisville played in a dump. Memphis had historically sucked. Tulane sucked.

If you grew up in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, northern Florida, Tennessee or southern Georgia and you were overlooked by the SEC, wanted to stay relatively close to home, and wanted to play for a solid winning program, Southern Miss was very attractive.

But even if you only start losing a couple of athletes a year that would have otherwise chosen Southern Miss, it takes a toll after awhile. And once they came back to earth, they lost more than a couple of athletes a year.

I think a great coach can win there again. But it's not going to be easy for anyone to build a consistent G5 power in CUSA.

As for adding Southern Miss to the American, realistically it won't happen (if at all) unless and until the American starts losing schools (if at all).

At that time, there will be a number of schools applying to join the American. Southern Miss will be judged against the others. Who knows how that would turn out.

(06-04-2017 05:05 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  As if you're all THAT.

The Big12 said it loud and clear that Cincy, Houston, and/or BYU are not good enough to warrant an invite. That's only going to change with either Texas and/or Oklahoma leaving. At that point, the dominos tumble again.

Actually a better summary of B12 non-expansion was that Fox/ESPN and other B12 TV distributors told the B12 that they already own Cincy, Houston and bYU's TV rights for between 3-5 million per team. ESPN/FoX decided they would rather pay the B12 $10million a year instead of $30million raise to Cincy and Houston or 25mil raise to BYU.

Basically they said I have these for 3 plus presumably another AAC team for combined $11million, why would I want to spend $140million for the same 4 schools. Give the B12 10mil not to expand and save $119mil.

Also shows why AAC getting a huge bump($100-150mil more per year) in next contract to lock the teams together is good for whatever network is a good deal.

Network could mandate they sign a GoR and locking them in so each member is stuck at 10mil-15mil range and not jumping to the ACC/B12 or any other and getting double.

(06-04-2017 06:48 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 07:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  They also have a long term problem that's harder to overcome. A decade ago, S Miss was the only real area choice for overlooked SEC talent that wanted to play for a winning program. Hell, they even would win their fair share of recruiting battles against Ole Miss and Miss St.

But these days---They have more competitive G5 schools feeding off their recruiting grounds. Schools that didn't used to be able to steal recruits are picking up 1 or 2 a year in that area. ULL, LaTech, ArkySt, S Alabama are all offering viable alternatives to overlooked SEC talent in Miss, Louisiana, and Alabama. Plus---Ole Miss and Miss State don't suck as bad as they used to. Add it all up and it starts be a significant factor making it difficult for S Miss to be the consistent power they used to be.

I expect them to have their share of good years---but the days of 17 consecutive winning seasons probably aren't coming back. They are going to be much more up and down---more like the surrounding G5 programs from here on.

I was the first to make this observation.

Back when Bower had it cranked up in the 1990s, Florida only had three Division 1 schools. UCF and USF hadn't started yet. UAB hadn't started football. Middle Tenn and Western Ky weren't FBS. Neither were Georgia St or Georgia Southern.

Further, Louisville played in a dump. Memphis had historically sucked. Tulane sucked.

If you grew up in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, northern Florida, Tennessee or southern Georgia and you were overlooked by the SEC, wanted to stay relatively close to home, and wanted to play for a solid winning program, Southern Miss was very attractive.

But even if you only start losing a couple of athletes a year that would have otherwise chosen Southern Miss, it takes a toll after awhile. And once they came back to earth, they lost more than a couple of athletes a year.

I think a great coach can win there again. But it's not going to be easy for anyone to build a consistent G5 power in CUSA.

Good point. Schools like USM have a lot more competition now with all f these new start ups in the game and smaller, FCS outfits moving up.

(06-02-2017 06:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  If life was fair USM would be in the AAC. They earned it, at least on the football side. Life is not fair though.

I agree for the most part. At this point all USM can do is keep winning in football, get the Access Bowl at some point, get ranked, become dominant, etc. Approach something like what Boise has done or what Wichita has done in bball. Then I think it would be entirely plausible to get an AAC offer if it considers a need to expand.

(06-03-2017 02:11 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  ....or you can go with a school with over 50k students in a metro area of over 6 million with a Top 10 media market who are investing hundreds of millions in athletics ...







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(06-03-2017 12:45 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:33 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Hattiesburg MS, for a start.
$25M athletic budget.

Southern Miss' best days are likely in the rear view mirror. Brett Farve is gone, and he ain't coming back.

How DARE you speak of Brett Favre in that manner! The NERVE!

What. Brett may come back, then leave, then come back again.

(06-04-2017 02:28 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 11:35 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 02:28 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 06:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:39 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  Their budget would grow while in the AAC though.


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Really? Where do you get this stuff?

Actually, I believe it would increase greatly in the AAC.

Of course, not from the share of AAC conference media distributions.

Southern Miss has been hurt by no longer planning its rivals in conference games after being left behind in conference realignment. This has hurt fan support. Bring those games back and fan support again swells.

When looking at a map, Southern Miss is on a figurative island where there are no P5 schools in rich southern recruiting grounds near the cool gulf port city of Mobile, AL. Not getting Southern Miss is a long term miss for the AAC.

Jmho,

Lurker Above

Lots of people on the MS Gulf coast with Gulfport and Biloxi. Huge USM following down here. I noticed the AAC still has that fake conference swagger. Lose it...

So we're talking about, what, maybe 500,000 people in that entire region? Hell, the Gulfport-Biloxi metro area is less than 300,000. Every metro area in the American is around 1,000,000 or above except for Greenville, but ECU puts close to 50,000 in the stands every Saturday and has a healthy budget. Southern Miss is just not AAC material whether you like it or not. It's not about a "conference swagger"... it's just facts.

I know it is a frequent argument, but I really don't get it. Look at the location of a lot of P5 schools. VaTech is in the middle of nowhere, and I know because I live 45 min from the school in Roanoke. Southern Miss FB attendance last season was 28,587 against the CUSA competition. That was better than Temple (AAC champ), Uconn, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa.

(06-04-2017 02:35 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 02:28 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 06:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:39 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:33 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  We dont need a school that has no athletic budget let them rot.

Their budget would grow while in the AAC though.


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Really? Where do you get this stuff?

Actually, I believe it would increase greatly in the AAC.

Of course, not from the share of AAC conference media distributions.

Southern Miss has been hurt by no longer planning its rivals in conference games after being left behind in conference realignment. This has hurt fan support. Bring those games back and fan support again swells.

When looking at a map, Southern Miss is on a figurative island where there are no P5 schools in rich southern recruiting grounds near the cool gulf port city of Mobile, AL. Not getting Southern Miss is a long term miss for the AAC.

Jmho,

Lurker Above

In 2011, Southern Miss was a top 25 team that won the C-USA championship. Most of its familiar foes were still in the league... Memphis, Houston, East Carolina, SMU, etc. Yet they still failed to sell out their 36,000-seat stadium the entire season. Great school with a storied history, but their fan support would be, at best, average among AAC schools. But after you throw in the budget problems and tiny market... USM to the AAC just makes no sense.

The year UC shared a conf title, 2002, you didn't sell out your 35k seat stadium. Everyone that was in CUSA who is now in the AAC has seen attendance increase. USM is averaging above 5 of the AAC teams now, and would likely be at about 33k the first year in AAC. Our first year we could potentially be higher than UCs 33,870 last year. I think if you put into perspective, you'll see that fan support wouldn't be an issue with USM. Budget, it would get better, but who knows how much.

The argument about USM having the record of 0-12 keeping them out when expansion is short-sighted and likely not so. It has something more to do with its TV market. Long term in FB they could compete with all of the AAC.

(06-02-2017 02:29 PM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  Two straight bowl games, two straight regional appearances (hosting this year), and always respectable basketball. We can add them with Army (FB Only) and VCU (Olympic sports only) and would improve in every sport.


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I heard a rumor that VCU said "no thanks, we will stay in the Atlantic 10".