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No and Can't are some of my favorite words.
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(06-01-2017 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  100 years ago this week, a man was born who grew up to be President. JFK is regarded as one of the greatest presidents we ever had. Sadly, he was assassinated before I was born. However, I learned about his legacy and how he said that we can go to the moon, and we did a few years after he died.


Now however we have a President that says we can't. We can't stay in NAFTA.
Trumps says we CAN get a better deal.

We can't allow immigration from other countries.
Trump says we need to delay it until we CAN do a better job vetting.

We can't trust the media.
Trump says we CAN use our minds and spot the MSM fake news.
We can't trust our intelligence community.
Trump says we CAN have safety and still have freedom from surveillance by our own government.


We can't have the Affordable Healthcare Act.
Trump says we CAN do a lot better than the bankrupt, failing Obamacare. He says it CAN be beautiful and you will like it!

We can't, we can't, we can't.

Now it seems he is about to say we can no longer be in the Paris agreement.
Trump says we CAN make our own choices about the economy and the environment and not have them imposed from Europe.

Trump always says he is going to make America Great but everything he is doing is sending a signal to the world that we no longer want to be the greatest country in the world.
Trump says we CAN be special, not just a follower.



We no longer want to lead the world with innovations like alternative energy.
Trump says we CAN lead the world by letting the free market decide where best to spend resources.

We no longer want to challenge other countries to protect the civil rights of it's citizens.
We CAN put the interests of American citizens first and not spend our political capital and resources and lives putting others first. And we CAN send cruise missiles to Syria and anywhere else if they do step over that line.



We no longer want to be AmeriCans.
Unlike Michelle and Barack, Trump is not ashamed to be an American.


He wants us to become AmeriCan'ts.

Your thoughts.

Trump believes America CAN. He is undoing the last 8 years, the 2nd and 3rd terms of Jimmy Carter, the president of limits.
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(06-01-2017 11:29 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(06-01-2017 11:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  We can isolate ourselves from the rest of the world and things might even get better in the short term. However, we cannot turn our backs to what is happening across the pond. If we do that we allow terrorists or the Russians to take over Europe just like German did in WWI and WWII. If that happens, WWIII is again possible and that poses a problem maybe not for me or you but our children.

We cannot isolate ourselves from the rest of the world if we want our children to be safe.

Trump shot a bunch of missiles up Assad's ass, has two carrier groups off the Korean peninsula, just told the ME to get their houses in order while standing on their soil, and spent a week telling Europe that their mess is their own fault. That's hardly being an isolationist in the traditional sense.

Those bombs were just a one off deal so far. I have not heard any real foreign policy on Syria or N.Korea for that matter.
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(06-01-2017 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  100 years ago this week, a man was born who grew up to be President. JFK is regarded as one of the greatest presidents we ever had. Sadly, he was assassinated before I was born. However, I learned about his legacy and how he said that we can go to the moon, and we did a few years after he died.

Well two presidents later but, yea...


Quote:Now however we have a President that says we can't.

It's all a matter of perspective fit..

Quote:We can't stay in NAFTA.

We *CAN* negotiate a better deal trade for Americans with both of our neighbors

Quote:We can't allow immigration from other countries.

We can open our doors to immigrants and we can do it after making sure our vetting process does not lead to the social unrest in Europe.

Quote:We can't trust the media.

We can, and should, question the media because they have become as much of a partisan resource and entertainment outlet as an actual news entity.

Quote:We can't trust our intelligence community.

The day the libs defend big government intelligence agencies... I've lived to see it.

We can *and should* not take everything the the government says as gospel truth

Quote:We can't have the Affordable Healthcare Act.


We can do better than a plan which has seen the private individual market decimated.

Quote:We can't, we can't, we can't.

We can, we can, we can..

Quote:Now it seems he is about to say we can no longer be in the Paris agreement.

We can manage our own carbon / pollution output without a multilateral deal which does little in the long run.

Quote:Trump always says he is going to make America Great but everything he is doing is sending a signal to the world that we no longer want to be the greatest country in the world.

Fit... when Kennedy said *WE* can go to the moon he did join an alliance to do it. He did not sign a treaty with other nations to do it... *WE* did it, and we did it alone.

It's the libs, rino's and globalist who say we cant.... We can't get good trade deals, we can't do our part environmentally without global control, we can't, we can't, we can't..
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(06-01-2017 11:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  They didn't help us. That's the point. We helped them.

Who else did we help to the moon?
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(06-01-2017 11:45 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(06-01-2017 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  100 years ago this week, a man was born who grew up to be President. JFK is regarded as one of the greatest presidents we ever had. Sadly, he was assassinated before I was born. However, I learned about his legacy and how he said that we can go to the moon, and we did a few years after he died.

Well two presidents later but, yea...


Quote:Now however we have a President that says we can't.

It's all a matter of perspective fit..

Quote:We can't stay in NAFTA.

We *CAN* negotiate a better deal trade for Americans with both of our neighbors

Quote:We can't allow immigration from other countries.

We can open our doors to immigrants and we can do it after making sure our vetting process does not lead to the social unrest in Europe.

Quote:We can't trust the media.

We can, and should, question the media because they have become as much of a partisan resource and entertainment outlet as an actual news entity.

Quote:We can't trust our intelligence community.

The day the libs defend big government intelligence agencies... I've lived to see it.

We can *and should* not take everything the the government says as gospel truth

Quote:We can't have the Affordable Healthcare Act.


We can do better than a plan which has seen the private individual market decimated.

Quote:We can't, we can't, we can't.

We can, we can, we can..

Quote:Now it seems he is about to say we can no longer be in the Paris agreement.

We can manage our own carbon / pollution output without a multilateral deal which does little in the long run.

Quote:Trump always says he is going to make America Great but everything he is doing is sending a signal to the world that we no longer want to be the greatest country in the world.

Fit... when Kennedy said *WE* can go to the moon he did join an alliance to do it. He did not sign a treaty with other nations to do it... *WE* did it, and we did it alone.

It's the libs, rino's and globalist who say we cant.... We can't get good trade deals, we can't do our part environmentally without global control, we can't, we can't, we can't..

I think it is a matter of perspective and you can take the president at his word or you can make a judgment as to what he really is saying.

Trump supporters keep going back and forth about whether we should take him at his word or not.

I'm going strictly by what he has said because that is all we can go on. He hasn't done anything yet.
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(06-01-2017 11:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(06-01-2017 10:59 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-01-2017 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  100 years ago this week, a man was born who grew up to be President. JFK is regarded as one of the greatest presidents we ever had. Sadly, he was assassinated before I was born. However, I learned about his legacy and how he said that we can go to the moon, and we did a few years after he died.


Now however we have a President that says we can't. We can't stay in NAFTA. We can't allow immigration from other countries. We can't trust the media. We can't trust our intelligence community.We can't have the Affordable Healthcare Act. We can't, we can't, we can't.

Now it seems he is about to say we can no longer be in the Paris agreement.

Trump always says he is going to make America Great but everything he is doing is sending a signal to the world that we no longer want to be the greatest country in the world.

We no longer want to lead the world with innovations like alternative energy. We no longer want to challenge other countries to protect the civil rights of it's citizens.

We no longer want to be AmeriCans.

He wants us to become AmeriCan'ts.

Your thoughts.

Actually, he wants us to be AMERICANS. For some reason the ONE WORLD ORDER folks want us to be something else. If you look at us, and then look at the rest of the world---I like where we are.

First of all, I don't subscribe to the notion of a NWO. I think it's a myth. I do however believe that we are all in this world together because we ARE all in this world together.

We can isolate ourselves from the rest of the world and things might even get better in the short term. However, we cannot turn our backs to what is happening across the pond. If we do that we allow terrorists or the Russians to take over Europe just like German did in WWI and WWII. If that happens, WWIII is again possible and that poses a problem maybe not for me or you but our children.

We cannot isolate ourselves from the rest of the world if we want our children to be safe.

No---we really aren't in this all together. One need only look at the conflicts and terrorism around the world to understand this.

Let me ask you this---the Russians want eastern Europe back to feel secure. The Chinese want the US out of their backyard. We simply want free and fair trade.

If we were to retreat to our own sphere of influence in the Amreica's---insulated by the Atlantic and Pacific on either side (with the largest blue water Navy in the world), essentially energy independent at this point---I would suggest to you that there would be LESS likelihood of serious conflict In the world--not more. Weather you agree or not---the reality is we are barrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend. We simply CANT afford to defend Europe anymore---whether we want to or not. Its irrelevant.
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Kennedy was a classic supply sider. He was essentially Ronald Reagan from a policy perspective. If in his prime today, he would be considered a right of center Republican.
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(06-01-2017 11:40 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  No and Can't are some of my favorite words.

Like, no I can't get it up. Rimshot
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Quote:If we were to retreat to our own sphere of influence in the Amreica's---insulated by the Atlantic and Pacific on either side (with the largest blue water Navy in the world), essentially energy independent at this point---I would suggest to you that there would be LESS likelihood of serious conflict In the world--not more. Weather you agree or not---the reality is we are barrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend. We simply CANT afford to defend Europe anymore---whether we want to or not. Its irrelevant.

I agree with you to a point. I don't think we should be getting into conflicts in Europe or the Middle East. I think the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars were a mistake. By the same token however, we cannot be isolated especially in this day and age. Even in the early 20th century when we tried to stay out of WWI we were drawn in when Uboats killed Americans.

But lets entertain your thoughts for a moment. I think it could work if we did a few things different.

1. We would have to strengthen our fellow North American countries like Mexico and Canada. What Trump wants to do actually does the opposite.

2. We can be energy independent if we stop selling our oil on the world market and invest in more alternative fuels. Again, Trump is doing the opposite.
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(06-01-2017 12:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:If we were to retreat to our own sphere of influence in the Amreica's---insulated by the Atlantic and Pacific on either side (with the largest blue water Navy in the world), essentially energy independent at this point---I would suggest to you that there would be LESS likelihood of serious conflict In the world--not more. Weather you agree or not---the reality is we are barrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend. We simply CANT afford to defend Europe anymore---whether we want to or not. Its irrelevant.

I agree with you to a point. I don't think we should be getting into conflicts in Europe or the Middle East. I think the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars were a mistake. By the same token however, we cannot be isolated especially in this day and age. Even in the early 20th century when we tried to stay out of WWI we were drawn in when Uboats killed Americans.

But lets entertain your thoughts for a moment. I think it could work if we did a few things different.

1. We would have to strengthen our fellow North American countries like Mexico and Canada. What Trump wants to do actually does the opposite.

2. We can be energy independent if we stop selling our oil on the world market and invest in more alternative fuels. Again, Trump is doing the opposite.

We are energy independent. That is why they are trying to allow us to sell oil on the world market. We are producing more than we are using.

On your first topic, I think our foreign aid should be focused on the Western Hemisphere and the few places in Europe that need help.
Help bring up our neighbors. That in itself will reduce the illegal immigration problem. And the Europeans are the place where a global conflict could occur. It also can be additional countries that can eventually assist Africa and Asia.
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(06-01-2017 12:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:If we were to retreat to our own sphere of influence in the Amreica's---insulated by the Atlantic and Pacific on either side (with the largest blue water Navy in the world), essentially energy independent at this point---I would suggest to you that there would be LESS likelihood of serious conflict In the world--not more. Weather you agree or not---the reality is we are barrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend. We simply CANT afford to defend Europe anymore---whether we want to or not. Its irrelevant.

I agree with you to a point. I don't think we should be getting into conflicts in Europe or the Middle East. I think the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars were a mistake. By the same token however, we cannot be isolated especially in this day and age. Even in the early 20th century when we tried to stay out of WWI we were drawn in when Uboats killed Americans.

But lets entertain your thoughts for a moment. I think it could work if we did a few things different.

1. We would have to strengthen our fellow North American countries like Mexico and Canada. What Trump wants to do actually does the opposite.

2. We can be energy independent if we stop selling our oil on the world market and invest in more alternative fuels. Again, Trump is doing the opposite.

Trump isn't really doing the opposite. He is balancing scales and leaving investment to the private market---which has always done a much better job at allocating resources than any centrally planned government. That said---Id be ok with something funded by a small gasoline tax that funds out sourced alternative energy research to universities and funnels the ideas through a central government think tank. Its goal would be to have an alternative energy source that would be cheaper than fossil fuels within 10 years. It would be something similar to the space program that spun off a ton of useful technology that eventually found its way into consumer world. That kind of thing makes sense to me. Picking winners and losers by pouring money into random energy start ups makes NO sense to me.
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(06-01-2017 12:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I agree with you to a point. I don't think we should be getting into conflicts in Europe or the Middle East. I think the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars were a mistake. By the same token however, we cannot be isolated especially in this day and age. Even in the early 20th century when we tried to stay out of WWI we were drawn in when Uboats killed Americans.

But lets entertain your thoughts for a moment. I think it could work if we did a few things different.

1. We would have to strengthen our fellow North American countries like Mexico and Canada. What Trump wants to do actually does the opposite.

2. We can be energy independent if we stop selling our oil on the world market and invest in more alternative fuels. Again, Trump is doing the opposite.


The only way we can strengthen Canada and Mexico is to invade and conquer them. Canada because they are too far gone down the leftist path to be salvageable and Mexico because their government is so corrupt any money spent there is wasted. In regards to Canada we face the exact same problem that we have in Europe.......they have depended on us for security for so long and have squandered so much money into social welfare programs that they can't afford to get to the point of being able to defend themselves.
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(06-01-2017 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  100 years ago this week, a man was born who grew up to be President. JFK is regarded as one of the greatest presidents we ever had. Sadly, he was assassinated before I was born. However, I learned about his legacy and how he said that we can go to the moon, and we did a few years after he died.

Now however we have a President that says we can't.

You're right about the moon. Trump wants us to go to Mars.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spea...b1327c37c2

As far as the rest goes, it's all a matter of perspective. You and your ilk want globalization which means the United States is marginalized. That's not being "great" in my opinion. Being "great" means being the best regardless of everybody else. We're done footing the bill for them.
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(06-01-2017 12:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  2. We can be energy independent if we stop selling our oil on the world market and invest in more alternative fuels. Again, Trump is doing the opposite.

No, we can't. You don't understand the dynamics of the energy industry, and this comment shows that. For one thing, alternatives don't replace oil. For another, the global marketplace is one where we sell over here and take back over there, for no net change.
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(06-01-2017 12:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-01-2017 12:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  2. We can be energy independent if we stop selling our oil on the world market and invest in more alternative fuels. Again, Trump is doing the opposite.

No, we can't. You don't understand the dynamics of the energy industry, and this comment shows that. For one thing, alternatives don't replace oil. For another, the global marketplace is one where we sell over here and take back over there, for no net change.

I'm not suggesting that alternative forms of energy replace oil. That is why I said we shouldn't be selling our oil on the world market.
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(06-01-2017 12:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(06-01-2017 12:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-01-2017 12:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  2. We can be energy independent if we stop selling our oil on the world market and invest in more alternative fuels. Again, Trump is doing the opposite.
No, we can't. You don't understand the dynamics of the energy industry, and this comment shows that. For one thing, alternatives don't replace oil. For another, the global marketplace is one where we sell over here and take back over there, for no net change.
I'm not suggesting that alternative forms of energy replace oil. That is why I said we shouldn't be selling our oil on the world market.

But "selling our oil on the world market" does not have the impact that you seem to think it does, because you don't understand the dynamics of the industry. Countries don't buy and sell oil, companies do. And it's economically advantageous when company A has excess here and company B has excess there, they swap out, and if the swap crosses international boundaries then that shows up as our selling here and buying there. The alternative is uneconomic and would have the effect of raising the price in both places.
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Quote:We are energy independent. That is why they are trying to allow us to sell oil on the world market. We are producing more than we are using.

Still I think we should stockpile the oil rather than sell it. The government should make it a matter of national security and buy it from American oil companies.

Quote:On your first topic, I think our foreign aid should be focused on the Western Hemisphere and the few places in Europe that need help.
Help bring up our neighbors. That in itself will reduce the illegal immigration problem. And the Europeans are the place where a global conflict could occur. It also can be additional countries that can eventually assist Africa and Asia.

I've been saying this for years. Which is why a wall with Mexico is a mistake. The billions we spend building the wall could be better used increasing aid to Mexico.
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Quote:Trump isn't really doing the opposite. He is balancing scales and leaving investment to the private market---which has always done a much better job at allocating resources than any centrally planned government.


But the private market will ultimately only care about their profit and not the best interests of the entire country.



Quote: That said---Id be ok with something funded by a small gasoline tax that funds out sourced alternative energy research to universities and funnels the ideas through a central government think tank. Its goal would be to have an alternative energy source that would be cheaper than fossil fuels within 10 years. It would be something similar to the space program that spun off a ton of useful technology that eventually found its way into consumer world. That kind of thing makes sense to me. Picking winners and losers by pouring money into random energy start ups makes NO sense to me.

I agree with you on this. The pouring of money into random energy start ups was never meant to be anything other than a temporary fix. Now that we do have some winners, we need to continue to support them.
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(06-01-2017 01:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:We are energy independent. That is why they are trying to allow us to sell oil on the world market. We are producing more than we are using.

Still I think we should stockpile the oil rather than sell it. The government should make it a matter of national security and buy it from American oil companies.

Where exactly is a government that is close to $20 trillion in debt going to get the money to buy said oil and where exactly are they going to store it?

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Quote:On your first topic, I think our foreign aid should be focused on the Western Hemisphere and the few places in Europe that need help.
Help bring up our neighbors. That in itself will reduce the illegal immigration problem. And the Europeans are the place where a global conflict could occur. It also can be additional countries that can eventually assist Africa and Asia.

I've been saying this for years. Which is why a wall with Mexico is a mistake. The billions we spend building the wall could be better used increasing aid to Mexico.

Any money sent to Mexico is wasted because all it does is line their corrupt politician's pockets.
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