He was really out of it. Glad no one was hurt.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.c...o.amp.html

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(06-01-2017 07:58 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  He was really out of it. Glad no one was hurt.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.c...o.amp.html

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How does this video get released, but we can't get any footage from the Seth Rich assassination night?

(06-01-2017 08:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 07:58 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  He was really out of it. Glad no one was hurt.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.c...o.amp.html

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How does this video get released, but we can't get any footage from the Seth Rich assassination night?

That's a good question. I was also surprised as to how fast it was released. Also why even release it?

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Who's Seth Rich?....

The DC police didn't conduct any type of investigation, no interviews of the wait staff at the bar/restaurant he had spent time in before his murder.

Someone told the police chief to stop!!

Clinton has given several public comments in the past few weeks, and not once has she mentioned Seth Rich.

(06-01-2017 08:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 07:58 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  He was really out of it. Glad no one was hurt.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.c...o.amp.html

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How does this video get released, but we can't get any footage from the Seth Rich assassination night?

Probably because TMZ doesn't care about Seth Rich?

Back problems are no fun, and the meds given to manage them are extremely dangerous. I hope Tiger can get things straightened out after this, and it's good nobody was hurt.

(06-01-2017 08:54 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Back problems are no fun, and the meds given to manage them are extremely dangerous. I hope Tiger can get things straightened out after this, and it's good nobody was hurt.

Yep, as someone with back problems who used to eat pain killers like candy I feel for him. I made a decision to just bear the pain rather than hiding it and it was one of the best decisions I've ever made. I won't criticize him for his issues with the meds except to say he shouldn't have been driving a car.

Why is a guy worth 700 million driving a car after doping up on whatever meds he took? He could have easily killed innocent people. Thank goodness this was at 3 am when the streets were mostly empty. Tiger brought his problems on himself. I hope he straightens his life out, but I have zero sympathy for him. His children deserve a dad, not a sex addict and opioid addict.

(06-01-2017 10:27 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Why is a guy worth 700 million driving a car after doping up on whatever meds he took? He could have easily killed innocent people. Thank goodness this was a 3 am when the streets were mostly empty. Tiger brought his problems on himself. I hope he straightens his life out, but I have zero sympathy for him. His children deserve a dad, not a sex addict and opioid addict.

I'm guessing his dad played a big role in keeping him in line and focused on productivity. His career nosedive started shortly after Earl's death.

(06-01-2017 10:33 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 10:27 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Why is a guy worth 700 million driving a car after doping up on whatever meds he took? He could have easily killed innocent people. Thank goodness this was a 3 am when the streets were mostly empty. Tiger brought his problems on himself. I hope he straightens his life out, but I have zero sympathy for him. His children deserve a dad, not a sex addict and opioid addict.

I'm guessing his dad played a big role in keeping him in line and focused on productivity. His career nosedive started shortly after Earl's death.

I am sure Earl's death contributed. Many in the golf business believe Tiger really roided up during his big years and once they started drug testing, he got off the roids and that helped cause his back problems.

(06-01-2017 10:38 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 10:33 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 10:27 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Why is a guy worth 700 million driving a car after doping up on whatever meds he took? He could have easily killed innocent people. Thank goodness this was a 3 am when the streets were mostly empty. Tiger brought his problems on himself. I hope he straightens his life out, but I have zero sympathy for him. His children deserve a dad, not a sex addict and opioid addict.

I'm guessing his dad played a big role in keeping him in line and focused on productivity. His career nosedive started shortly after Earl's death.

I am sure Earl's death contributed. Many in the golf business believe Tiger really roided up during his big years and once they started drug testing, he got off the roids and that helped cause his back problems.

I believe I read somewhere that this was some new meds that he was taking. I think it was the first time he took them all at the same time which caused him to be in the state he was in. I'll try to find the article to verify.

(06-01-2017 10:38 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 10:33 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 10:27 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Why is a guy worth 700 million driving a car after doping up on whatever meds he took? He could have easily killed innocent people. Thank goodness this was a 3 am when the streets were mostly empty. Tiger brought his problems on himself. I hope he straightens his life out, but I have zero sympathy for him. His children deserve a dad, not a sex addict and opioid addict.

I'm guessing his dad played a big role in keeping him in line and focused on productivity. His career nosedive started shortly after Earl's death.

I am sure Earl's death contributed. Many in the golf business believe Tiger really roided up during his big years and once they started drug testing, he got off the roids and that helped cause his back problems.

I'd be willing to bet the back problems are significantly mental. He was in decline for a long time before they started. He psychologically quit, IMO, when the golden boy image he spent 15 years creating fell apart when his sex life became public. That was probably where his dad could have reigned it in and helped lead a comeback.

Roids might have helped add a few yards off the tee, but golf is one game where I think any advantage gained would be minimal. Roids don't help you put that drive in the fairway, they don't help you putt or chip, and if anything, they are a hinderance to your mental game. I honestly doubt he took them.

(06-01-2017 10:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 10:38 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 10:33 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 10:27 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Why is a guy worth 700 million driving a car after doping up on whatever meds he took? He could have easily killed innocent people. Thank goodness this was a 3 am when the streets were mostly empty. Tiger brought his problems on himself. I hope he straightens his life out, but I have zero sympathy for him. His children deserve a dad, not a sex addict and opioid addict.

I'm guessing his dad played a big role in keeping him in line and focused on productivity. His career nosedive started shortly after Earl's death.

I am sure Earl's death contributed. Many in the golf business believe Tiger really roided up during his big years and once they started drug testing, he got off the roids and that helped cause his back problems.

I'd be willing to bet the back problems are significantly mental. He was in decline for a long time before they started. He psychologically quit, IMO, when the golden boy image he spent 15 years creating fell apart when his sex life became public. That was probably where his dad could have reigned it in and helped lead a comeback.

Roids might have helped add a few yards off the tee, but golf is one game where I think any advantage gained would be minimal. Roids don't help you put that drive in the fairway, they don't help you putt or chip, and if anything, they are a hinderance to your mental game. I honestly doubt he took them.

Look at some pics of Tiger and how much bigger he got and pics after testing started. One of the biggest advantages of roids is how fast they let you heal from injuries. I have no proof, but some have made a good case on this issue. Regardless, the man as I have said, has brought his problems on himself. Hope he can right the ship and get his life back on tract. His first step in my opinion is to admit his problems and seek help. Not as a PR stunt, but for real.

I guess Jack will remain the greatest golfer of all time.

I was at Augusta two years ago for a practice round. Tiger walked right by me, not two feet away. I grew up in the deep south, and have seen many old African-American men who spent their lives in the fields and whose skin and bodies were just worn out by the experience. Tiger looked exactly like that. His skin looked like those old men 40 years older. I was astonished.

(06-01-2017 10:50 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  I believe I read somewhere that this was some new meds that he was taking. I think it was the first time he took them all at the same time which caused him to be in the state he was in. I'll try to find the article to verify.

Would those meds have sufficiently impaired his judgement about getting behind the wheel?

(06-01-2017 11:25 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 10:50 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  I believe I read somewhere that this was some new meds that he was taking. I think it was the first time he took them all at the same time which caused him to be in the state he was in. I'll try to find the article to verify.

Would those meds have sufficiently impaired his judgement about getting behind the wheel?

I'm assuming that would depend on if he took them before or after he started driving.

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(06-01-2017 11:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I was at Augusta two years ago for a practice round. Tiger walked right by me, not two feet away. I grew up in the deep south, and have seen many old African-American men who spent their lives in the fields and whose skin and bodies were just worn out by the experience. Tiger looked exactly like that. His skin looked like those old men 40 years older. I was astonished.

That's what roids do.

A guy I played ball with in high school started playing professional slow-pitch softball after flunking out of college. One of his teammates got him started on the roids to help him play "gorilla ball". Fast forward 20 years and as part of a child custody agreement in his very contentious divorce he has to submit to random drug testing so he gives up the roids. In a matter of about a year he went from looking like a Greek god to looking like you describe....a crippled, worn out old man. He honestly looks like he could be his father's father.

(06-01-2017 11:42 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I was at Augusta two years ago for a practice round. Tiger walked right by me, not two feet away. I grew up in the deep south, and have seen many old African-American men who spent their lives in the fields and whose skin and bodies were just worn out by the experience. Tiger looked exactly like that. His skin looked like those old men 40 years older. I was astonished.

That's what roids do.
A guy I played ball with in high school started playing professional slow-pitch softball after flunking out of college. One of his teammates got him started on the roids to help him play "gorilla ball". Fast forward 20 years and as part of a child custody agreement in his very contentious divorce he has to submit to random drug testing so he gives up the roids. In a matter of about a year he went from looking like a Greek god to looking like you describe....a crippled, worn out old man. He honestly looks like he could be his father's father.

Father's father is accurate. I knew Earl. He looked a lot older than Earl ever looked.