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RE: Dan Wolken says SEC should do away with divisions
With 14, you could do 3 annual rivals + 5 other schools (flip flop every other year) OR 5 annual rivals + 4 other schools OR 7 annual rivals + 3 other schools. I like the first option with 4 annual rivals.
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RE: Dan Wolken says SEC should do away with divisions
I like this form of scheduling for every league, and it even gets better for the leagues when we see 16 team conferences or if we see a 18 team conference in the future.

The other part of the scheduling that should be mentioned is
don't lock into a situation where each team has to play each other team equally.

Each team probably locks in 3 teams they play annually, a portion of teams they might play bi-annually, possibly some teams they play 2 out of every 3 years or even, some teams in larger leagues may only play another team 1X out of 4 or 6 years(this was suggested by someone in reference to a Big 12/PAC merger or whatever you call it that went to 18/20 teams. In that instance why did Texas or OU want to play Oregon St. or WSU, nor why did the league/networks want to waste slots with games involving Texas/OU with a OSU/WSU/Utah.

The same thing would be the case if a B1G or SEC added 4 teams to get to 18. While certainly the SEC would want to highlight the better games or better regionalized fits. Vandy/Kentucky/MSU/ playing Texas & OU are a waste and whoever Texas & OU bring along from a list of OSU, KS or ISU playing those teams don't provide a lot of value either.

I thought it was a really good concept even if it takes some rule changes. But I know the B1G does not schedule East & West Teams on an equal basis so there is some flexibility already there. The single set of standings would allow for the best teams in the conference playoffs also.
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RE: Dan Wolken says SEC should do away with divisions
I am not the biggest fan of how we do things now.

I think that would be a good idea.
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RE: Dan Wolken says SEC should do away with divisions
Long been a proponent of this idea

I would do it like this:

9 game schedule

- 4 permanent rival games

- 5 rotating home and home with everyone else

- Best two records meet in Atlanta

So for example, A&M might have Arkansas, Missouri, LSU and Ole Miss as permanent every year rivals

The big advantage is that every student and player who completes a 4 year term at their school gets to see/play every opponent in their conference at their stadium and can go to an away game at every opponent venue in their conference. You never go longer than 2 years without playing someone

That way you have full conference cohesion even at 14 members
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RE: Dan Wolken says SEC should do away with divisions
(12-04-2017 05:16 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Long been a proponent of this idea

I would do it like this:

9 game schedule

- 4 permanent rival games

- 5 rotating home and home with everyone else

- Best two records meet in Atlanta

So for example, A&M might have Arkansas, Missouri, LSU and Ole Miss as permanent every year rivals

The big advantage is that every student and player who completes a 4 year term at their school gets to see/play every opponent in their conference at their stadium and can go to an away game at every opponent venue in their conference. You never go longer than 2 years without playing someone

That way you have full conference cohesion even at 14 members

I did some playing around with the numbers and I think we would really have to go to a nine game schedule with this model. With 3+5 it is impossible to rotate home and away every time.

Take SC for example:

2018 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
Auburn, @Bama, Missouri, @Ole Miss, Miss St
2019- UF, @UGA, Vandy
@Arky, TAMU, @UK, LSU, @UT

Looks fine right? However when you get to 2020

2020 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
@Auburn, Bama, @Missouri, Ole Miss, @Miss St

You see the problem, it quickly becomes 3 home/5 road or vice verse.

The only solution is to either go 4 permanent 4 rotating, which doesn’t let you play everyone in two years and creates a weird rotation, or you have to go unbalanced and go to an uneven home/away every year
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RE: Dan Wolken says SEC should do away with divisions
(12-05-2017 07:57 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 05:16 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Long been a proponent of this idea

I would do it like this:

9 game schedule

- 4 permanent rival games

- 5 rotating home and home with everyone else

- Best two records meet in Atlanta

So for example, A&M might have Arkansas, Missouri, LSU and Ole Miss as permanent every year rivals

The big advantage is that every student and player who completes a 4 year term at their school gets to see/play every opponent in their conference at their stadium and can go to an away game at every opponent venue in their conference. You never go longer than 2 years without playing someone

That way you have full conference cohesion even at 14 members

I did some playing around with the numbers and I think we would really have to go to a nine game schedule with this model. With 3+5 it is impossible to rotate home and away every time.

Take SC for example:

2018 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
Auburn, @Bama, Missouri, @Ole Miss, Miss St
2019- UF, @UGA, Vandy
@Arky, TAMU, @UK, LSU, @UT

Looks fine right? However when you get to 2020

2020 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
@Auburn, Bama, @Missouri, Ole Miss, @Miss St

You see the problem, it quickly becomes 3 home/5 road or vice verse.

The only solution is to either go 4 permanent 4 rotating, which doesn’t let you play everyone in two years and creates a weird rotation, or you have to go unbalanced and go to an uneven home/away every year

I'd vote for 9 games. I think we're heading there anyway actually.
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RE: Dan Wolken says SEC should do away with divisions
(12-05-2017 07:57 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 05:16 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Long been a proponent of this idea

I would do it like this:

9 game schedule

- 4 permanent rival games

- 5 rotating home and home with everyone else

- Best two records meet in Atlanta

So for example, A&M might have Arkansas, Missouri, LSU and Ole Miss as permanent every year rivals

The big advantage is that every student and player who completes a 4 year term at their school gets to see/play every opponent in their conference at their stadium and can go to an away game at every opponent venue in their conference. You never go longer than 2 years without playing someone

That way you have full conference cohesion even at 14 members

I did some playing around with the numbers and I think we would really have to go to a nine game schedule with this model. With 3+5 it is impossible to rotate home and away every time.

Take SC for example:

2018 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
Auburn, @Bama, Missouri, @Ole Miss, Miss St
2019- UF, @UGA, Vandy
@Arky, TAMU, @UK, LSU, @UT

Looks fine right? However when you get to 2020

2020 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
@Auburn, Bama, @Missouri, Ole Miss, @Miss St

You see the problem, it quickly becomes 3 home/5 road or vice verse.

The only solution is to either go 4 permanent 4 rotating, which doesn’t let you play everyone in two years and creates a weird rotation, or you have to go unbalanced and go to an uneven home/away every year

The 8-game solution works, just stagger the schedule so that you ensure 4 home games each year. To do this, simply switch one of the 2020 road games for one of the 2021 home games.

For instance,

2018 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
Auburn, @Bama, Missouri, @Ole Miss, Miss St
2019- UF, @UGA, Vandy
@Arky, TAMU, @UK, LSU, @UT

2020 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
@Auburn, Bama, @Missouri, Ole Miss, Arky

2021 - UF, @UGA, Vandy
@Miss St, @TAMU, UK, @LSU, UT

Play Arky in '19 and '20 and Miss St. in '18 and '21. You still play everyone in the conference at least twice in four years.

Pretty simple.
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RE: Dan Wolken says SEC should do away with divisions
(12-04-2017 11:33 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Bump to an old thread but I was thinking about this over the weekend and I really think it deserves further discussion. I was originally stuck on wanting to play UGA/UF/UT every year but I think I can learn to love the setup proposed by SB Nation - which basically gives each team 3 permanent opponents and rotates between 5 of the remaining 10 teams each year.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...s-rotation

I’ve been referencing that exact article for years it seems. Hogs would keep their two historic rivals, A&M and Ole Miss, as well as newly minted hillbilly brothers Missouri.

I like the idea of playingeverybody every other year. An open table would keep things interesting as the two top teams would get into the SEC Championship. That would make more games relevant during the season as teams fight for the best record.
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RE: Dan Wolken says SEC should do away with divisions
(12-05-2017 08:21 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 07:57 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 05:16 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Long been a proponent of this idea

I would do it like this:

9 game schedule

- 4 permanent rival games

- 5 rotating home and home with everyone else

- Best two records meet in Atlanta

So for example, A&M might have Arkansas, Missouri, LSU and Ole Miss as permanent every year rivals

The big advantage is that every student and player who completes a 4 year term at their school gets to see/play every opponent in their conference at their stadium and can go to an away game at every opponent venue in their conference. You never go longer than 2 years without playing someone

That way you have full conference cohesion even at 14 members

I did some playing around with the numbers and I think we would really have to go to a nine game schedule with this model. With 3+5 it is impossible to rotate home and away every time.

Take SC for example:

2018 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
Auburn, @Bama, Missouri, @Ole Miss, Miss St
2019- UF, @UGA, Vandy
@Arky, TAMU, @UK, LSU, @UT

Looks fine right? However when you get to 2020

2020 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
@Auburn, Bama, @Missouri, Ole Miss, @Miss St

You see the problem, it quickly becomes 3 home/5 road or vice verse.

The only solution is to either go 4 permanent 4 rotating, which doesn’t let you play everyone in two years and creates a weird rotation, or you have to go unbalanced and go to an uneven home/away every year

I'd vote for 9 games. I think we're heading there anyway actually.

Go 9 games if we expand to 16 schools.
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RE: Dan Wolken says SEC should do away with divisions
(12-07-2017 10:46 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 07:57 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 05:16 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Long been a proponent of this idea

I would do it like this:

9 game schedule

- 4 permanent rival games

- 5 rotating home and home with everyone else

- Best two records meet in Atlanta

So for example, A&M might have Arkansas, Missouri, LSU and Ole Miss as permanent every year rivals

The big advantage is that every student and player who completes a 4 year term at their school gets to see/play every opponent in their conference at their stadium and can go to an away game at every opponent venue in their conference. You never go longer than 2 years without playing someone

That way you have full conference cohesion even at 14 members

I did some playing around with the numbers and I think we would really have to go to a nine game schedule with this model. With 3+5 it is impossible to rotate home and away every time.

Take SC for example:

2018 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
Auburn, @Bama, Missouri, @Ole Miss, Miss St
2019- UF, @UGA, Vandy
@Arky, TAMU, @UK, LSU, @UT

Looks fine right? However when you get to 2020

2020 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
@Auburn, Bama, @Missouri, Ole Miss, @Miss St

You see the problem, it quickly becomes 3 home/5 road or vice verse.

The only solution is to either go 4 permanent 4 rotating, which doesn’t let you play everyone in two years and creates a weird rotation, or you have to go unbalanced and go to an uneven home/away every year

The 8-game solution works, just stagger the schedule so that you ensure 4 home games each year. To do this, simply switch one of the 2020 road games for one of the 2021 home games.

For instance,

2018 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
Auburn, @Bama, Missouri, @Ole Miss, Miss St
2019- UF, @UGA, Vandy
@Arky, TAMU, @UK, LSU, @UT

2020 - @UF, UGA, @Vandy
@Auburn, Bama, @Missouri, Ole Miss, Arky

2021 - UF, @UGA, Vandy
@Miss St, @TAMU, UK, @LSU, UT

Play Arky in '19 and '20 and Miss St. in '18 and '21. You still play everyone in the conference at least twice in four years.

Pretty simple.

I hadn't thought of that. That works perfectly.
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