(05-31-2017 08:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  2. You cons are so f'ing dense, you cheer the destruction of the U.S. economy and the wellbeing of the planet because "that'll show them stoopid libs".

Playing climate God doesn’t bother me in the least. We are already doing it. Why not do it better? It's normal for a part of the environment, like humans, to affect the overall environment. Get on board the climate change train and embrace the reality of new markets, more growing areas, and a warmer, more agreeable and comfortable planet.

Also, to your last point: yes. When you have to “adjust” the data to match the theory you’re doing science all wrong.

(05-31-2017 08:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  It's a shame most of y'all won't be around long enough to live with your choices. The younger generation has to deal with this **** for decades longer.

The Paris Accords are nothing but a bunch of things that would not help save the planet but would still have future generations of Americans starve in the dark and cold.

(05-31-2017 08:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I better get off this site. For two reasons:

1. The inevitable sanctions coming from EU and NATO will likely mean layoffs in an industry as mine, and I can't be the low hanging fruit.

2. You cons are so f'ing dense, you cheer the destruction of the U.S. economy and the wellbeing of the planet because "that'll show them stoopid libs". It's a shame most of y'all won't be around long enough to live with your choices. The younger generation has to deal with this **** for decades longer.

Classy. Not cool.

(05-31-2017 08:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  2. You cons are so f'ing dense, you cheer the destruction of the U.S. economy and the wellbeing of the planet because "that'll show them stoopid libs". It's a shame most of y'all won't be around long enough to live with your choices. The younger generation has to deal with this **** for decades longer.

Nuclear reactors are shutting down, and the power they produced is being replaced with fossil fuels and dumb, illiterate liberal greenies are cheering it on. Environmentalism isn't about doing good anymore, it's about feeling good. This climate deal is going to be just as pointless as Kyoto.

Whatever is down the road as far as climate, we're hitting it head on because progressives delude themselves into thinking that wind, solar, natural gas, and biofuels amount to anything other than a drop in the bucket.

(05-31-2017 08:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I better get off this site. For two reasons:

1. The inevitable sanctions coming from EU and NATO will likely mean layoffs in an industry as mine, and I can't be the low hanging fruit.

2. You cons are so f'ing dense, you cheer the destruction of the U.S. economy and the wellbeing of the planet because "that'll show them stoopid libs". It's a shame most of y'all won't be around long enough to live with your choices. The younger generation has to deal with this **** for decades longer.

(05-31-2017 08:49 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 08:46 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 08:31 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Stick an M80 up your nose to spite your face.

The U.S. will be joining the illustrious nations of Syria and Nigeria as one of three countries to pull out of the deal.

Quoting a popular science article, here's the likely fallout:

Quote:“Reducing our commitment to the Paris Agreement, reducing our commitment to the transition to renewable energy, is an act of economic suicide for the United States,” said Cohen. "What it would end up doing, frankly, is reduce America’s influence in the rest of the world. So, what you'd see is America's getting out of Paris, China’s going to go and sell renewable energy to Africa. I mean now they're selling them coal, soon they'll be selling them renewable energy because there'll be more money in it.”

And where will these third world countries be getting their money to purchase pricey and relatively ineffective renewable energy rather than coal?
Also, does the US pulling out of the Paris Accord mean that the US is no longer producing any renewable energy products? How does the author draw the conclusion that the US couldn't still sell renewable energy products?

Lots of holes in his opinion.

You do realize that China is investing $360 billion in renewable energy over the next 3 years?

Trump is pushing 19th century power technology while the rest of the world (including our top competitors) are trailblazing the future.

Even if that weren't the case, what do we actually gain by this? What advantage do we get? How is this in anyway good for the country? This whole thing just reeks of a giant F U to Obama and anyone who has more than just American corporations (Who largely support the Paris Climate Deal, btw) interests in mind.

Trump will leave this entire country in 3rd world ruin, and he'll destroy the planet while doing it.

China can invest all they want, but it won't do them any good as far as exporting the technology unless they have a buyer. The author specifically mentions Africa. What does China's investment have to do with African nations having the money to buy the technology?

Economic indicators all (mostly might be a better word) positive since the election, but Trump is going to turn the US into a 3rd world country. Okay.

(05-31-2017 08:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I better get off this site. For two reasons:

1. The inevitable sanctions coming from EU and NATO will likely mean layoffs in an industry as mine, and I can't be the low hanging fruit.

2. You cons are so f'ing dense, you cheer the destruction of the U.S. economy and the wellbeing of the planet because "that'll show them stoopid libs". It's a shame most of y'all won't be around long enough to live with your choices. The younger generation has to deal with this **** for decades longer.

National Debt?

I heard on the radio that this will cost the United States over 100k jobs.

(05-31-2017 09:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I heard on the radio that this will cost the United States over 100k jobs.

The net gain will be exponentially greater, even if that #fakenews is true.

(05-31-2017 08:31 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Stick an M80 up your nose to spite your face.

The U.S. will be joining the illustrious nations of Syria and Nigeria as one of three countries to pull out of the deal.

Quoting a popular science article, here's the likely fallout:

Quote:On a day-to-day, short term perspective within the United States the answer is not much, said Steve Cohen, the Executive Director of Columbia University’s Earth Institute.

“Whether you have Paris or don’t have Paris, the national policy of the United States requires a reduction of greenhouse gasses because of the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Clean Air Act,” said Cohen.

Greenhouse gasses—like carbon dioxide, which emanates from coal fired plants and gas power automobiles, and methane, which escapes when we drill for natural gas—are warming up the climate, leading to everything from increased airplane turbulence, to stronger more severe weather and sea level rise. In 2007, Massachusetts (joined by 12 other states) successfully sued the EPA in a lawsuit titled Massachusetts v EPA for failing to regulate greenhouse gasses as an environmental pollutant under the Clean Air Act. Passed in 1963 and significantly amended in 1970, 1977, and 1990, the Clean Air Act regulates air pollution deemed hazardous to the public welfare based on the best available science.

The Paris Agreement basically mimics what the United States has already agreed to do domestically based on our own self-interest. Changing those commitments would require an amendment of the Clean Air Act. Numerous polls have shown that Americans support protections for clean air and water, as a result, said Cohen, “I can't imagine that [a Clean Air Act Amendment] could get through the U.S. Senate even in its current form.”

Meanwhile, market forces are driving the destruction of some of the most polluting industries. Natural gas and cheaper renewables are what have killed coal—not the Clean Power Plan, which has not yet taken into effect. Those same market forces are driving many companies to slash their own carbon emissions—because like many home owners, corporations have learned that energy efficiency frequently cuts costs.

It’s why Cohen thinks pronouncements like Pruitt's are acts of symbolic politics.

“Symbolic politics are things that elected officials do—that often have very little basis in reality—in order to attract political support,” said Cohen. “The symbol of pulling out of Paris is saying to your base, ‘see we, don't believe those pointy-headed scientists, we don't believe in this climate change hoax.’ But the fact is that climate change is real; it's not a hoax. To deny it is really just an act of political symbolism, and that's what withdrawing from Paris would be."

But just because it’s a symbol doesn’t mean that withdrawing wouldn’t have real effects.

“Reducing our commitment to the Paris Agreement, reducing our commitment to the transition to renewable energy, is an act of economic suicide for the United States,” said Cohen. "What it would end up doing, frankly, is reduce America’s influence in the rest of the world. So, what you'd see is America's getting out of Paris, China’s going to go and sell renewable energy to Africa. I mean now they're selling them coal, soon they'll be selling them renewable energy because there'll be more money in it.”


At this late stage in the game, all we stand to lose is our place at the table.

Economic suicide, LOL. This really is a religion.

(05-31-2017 09:37 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 09:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I heard on the radio that this will cost the United States over 100k jobs.

The net gain will be exponentially greater, even if that #fakenews is true.

Trump just took America back.................like 50 years.

(05-31-2017 09:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I heard on the radio that this will cost the United States over 100k jobs.

Well if you heard it on the radio it must be true. What will it net? That's the real question yet to be answered.

(05-31-2017 09:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 09:37 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 09:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I heard on the radio that this will cost the United States over 100k jobs.

The net gain will be exponentially greater, even if that #fakenews is true.

Trump just took America back.................like 50 years.

(05-31-2017 08:44 AM)450bench Wrote:  Good.

Yep.... this is a fallacious attempt at derailing the U S A and all thinking countries. It's a bunch of Bullshat. I've always thought it was.

(05-31-2017 09:29 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 08:49 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 08:46 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 08:31 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Stick an M80 up your nose to spite your face.

The U.S. will be joining the illustrious nations of Syria and Nigeria as one of three countries to pull out of the deal.

Quoting a popular science article, here's the likely fallout:

Quote:“Reducing our commitment to the Paris Agreement, reducing our commitment to the transition to renewable energy, is an act of economic suicide for the United States,” said Cohen. "What it would end up doing, frankly, is reduce America’s influence in the rest of the world. So, what you'd see is America's getting out of Paris, China’s going to go and sell renewable energy to Africa. I mean now they're selling them coal, soon they'll be selling them renewable energy because there'll be more money in it.”

And where will these third world countries be getting their money to purchase pricey and relatively ineffective renewable energy rather than coal?
Also, does the US pulling out of the Paris Accord mean that the US is no longer producing any renewable energy products? How does the author draw the conclusion that the US couldn't still sell renewable energy products?

Lots of holes in his opinion.

You do realize that China is investing $360 billion in renewable energy over the next 3 years?

Trump is pushing 19th century power technology while the rest of the world (including our top competitors) are trailblazing the future.

Even if that weren't the case, what do we actually gain by this? What advantage do we get? How is this in anyway good for the country? This whole thing just reeks of a giant F U to Obama and anyone who has more than just American corporations (Who largely support the Paris Climate Deal, btw) interests in mind.

Trump will leave this entire country in 3rd world ruin, and he'll destroy the planet while doing it.

China can invest all they want, but it won't do them any good as far as exporting the technology unless they have a buyer. The author specifically mentions Africa. What does China's investment have to do with African nations having the money to buy the technology?

Economic indicators all (mostly might be a better word) positive since the election, but Trump is going to turn the US into a 3rd world country. Okay.

BTW Africa, sub saharan, has coal, natural gas and oil.

https://www.ge.com/news/company-information/africa
About GE in Africa
President and CEO GE Africa: Jay Ireland
Africa is a very important region for GE’s growth. GE first started operating here over 100 years ago. In 2011, the company decided to renew its focus to meet Africa’s needs and established its regional Headquarters in Nairobi. Our footprint in sub-Saharan Africa now consists of over 1800 employees and revenues of over $2.4 billion dollars. GE is committed to supporting the continued and sustainable development of the African region with advanced infrastructure technologies, services and solutions. Africa has broad needs that are critical for growth such as an improved infrastructure and access to world class technological solutions in key sectors e.g. power generation, oil & gas, healthcare and rail transportation. GE’s capability, geographic scale and global expertise in infrastructure technology allow us to play a significant role as a partner in the future development Africa.
Recognition
PPP Champion of the Year - Africa Investor CEO Infrastructure Investment Awards, May 2013
Employer and Human Capital Investor of the Year – Africa Investor Investment and Business Leader Awards, October 2013

GE in Angola
About GE in Angola
GE has been operating in Angola since 1967, and opened offices in Malongo and Luanda in 1996 and 2004 respectively. Today, GE businesses span across key sectors including oil and gas, power & water and rail transportation with over 440 employees working in the offices and in the Oil & Gas workshops in Cabinda and Luanda.
GE has been collaborating with the Angolan government and other players in the private sector to help the country achieve its Vision 2020 goals. This collaboration has helped Angola explore a variety of opportunities from new ways to generate power to complete modernization in the transportation sector.
In 2012, GE signed a $ 150 million deal to supply Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) turbo compression technology to Angola’s Soyo LNG Facility and to Petronas LNG Train 9 Project in Malaysia. The new technology will help the Petronas LNG complex in Bintulu, Sarawak increase production capacity by 3.6 million tons of LNG per year.
In early 2013, GE in partnership with Angolan Group GLS Holdings formed GE-GLS Oil & Gas Angola Limited to better support the country’s rapidly growing oil and gas sector. GE-GLS Oil & Gas Angola Limited will invest $ 175 million to build a new manufacturing facility in Soyo province in Zaire. This facility will supply sub-sea equipment to the oil and gas industry in Angola.
Transportation in Angola: GE signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the Angolan government for the refurbishment of the current rolling stock of locomotives and for the supply of an additional 100 new locomotives to Angola.
Power Generation in Angola: GE and the Angola Ministry of Energy and Water signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to cooperate to achieve the country’s 2000 MW of electric power generation capacity target by 2016.
Power Generation in Angola: GE and the Angola Ministry of Energy and Water signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to cooperate to achieve the country’s 2000 MW of electric power generation capacity target by 2016.
http://www.ge.com/ao

GE in Kenya
About GE in Kenya
In 2011, GE Africa opened its Sub-Saharan Headquarters in the Kenyan Capital of Nairobi. This is indicative of GE’s commitment to grow its presence in the region and beyond. The Nairobi office is now home to over 110 employees and provides GE with easy access to the East Africa region and to the rest of Africa.
In May 2012, GE signed a landmark Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) agreement with the Government to develop projects in key sectors such as power, rail, healthcare, aviation and training & capacity building to deliver on the country's Vision 2030 plan.
Transportation in Kenya: GE is working with Rift Valley Railways (RVR) and Kenya Railways (KR) on a fleet renewal programme to overhaul and modernize their locomotives. GE will also maintain the fleet and supply spare parts. GE has formulated a proposal for the Numerical Machining Complex to manufacture GE Obsolete Parts for Africa.
Power Generation in Kenya: GE, in September 2013, signed the first GE Wind Deal in Africa for the Kinangop Wind Farm under the Kenya Power Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) in the renewable energy space. GE will supply $ 58 million worth of GE Renewables Equipment and service the equipment over a 10 year period valued at $28 million. GE is also currently working on a waste-to-energy biomass power project set to be commissioned in early 2014.
GE and Safaricom, Kenya’ leading mobile provider have partnered to adopt the GE Durathon battery technology, one of the first batteries in the world designed specifically for Charge Discharge Cycling(CDC) telecomm operators. The Durathon Battery capacitates the Safaricom network to run efficiently during power outages.
Healthcare in Kenya: In 2012, GE Healthcare launched the Care Station 30 Anesthesia machine which is a more technologically advanced version of the currently used 9100c Anesthesia machine. Kijabe Hospital pioneered the successful administration of general anesthesia using the 9100c for the first time during an emergency C-section in Kenya.
GE has installed over 100 diagnostic (CT Scan, MRI, Ultrasound, X-Ray) imaging units across the country. GE has audited all of Kenya’s 18 referral hospitals and partnered with them to formulate oncology strategy for breast, cervical and prostate cancer.
Aviation: In 2012, Kenya Airways selected the GEnx-1B engine to power its 9 already firmly ordered Boeing 787 Dreamliners and the 4 optional additional aircraft. The Dreamliner order is valued at $ 380 million (list price). The GEnx is part of GE’s “ecomagination” product portfolio-GE’s business strategy to develop new, cost-effective technologies that enhance customers; environmental and operating performance.
http://www.ge.com/ke/

GE in Nigeria
About GE in Nigeria
President & CEO - Nigeria: Lazarus Angbazo
GE has been operating in Nigeria for over 40 years with businesses spanning across a number of key sectors including aviation, power generation, oil & gas, healthcare, and transportation. However, in the past 3 years there has been a renewed focus on the country with the setting up of new service facilities and employment of more talent to expand the company’s capabilities.
Today, GE in Nigeria employs over 400 people and serves over 100 public and private sector customers from its offices in Lagos and Abuja. It also has service facilities in Port-Harcourt and Onne with an annual spend of about $11 million on goods/services, labor, staff welfare and training.
GE is committed to Nigeria’s Vision 2020; signing an investment Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the Nigerian government and subsequent MOUs with several sectors in 2012 to expand local capabilities:
Ministry of Power - support development of 10GW of power over the next 10 years
Ministry of Health – support the development of diagnostic centers in Nigeria
Ministry of Transportation - modernization and expansion of Nigeria’s locomotive fleet
These MOUs involve significant investments in job creation, talent development, development of local suppliers and partners as well as our local service/manufacturing footprint to serve Nigeria and neighboring countries.
GE has signed joint development agreements (JDA) with several power generation companies in Nigeria:
Agreements supporting Honeywell, Oats Global and Geometric Power to bring power to the Nigerian electricity grid
Agreements with Transcorp Power and Ibom Power to provide technical and commercial solutions to upgrade existing plants
These JDAs were given special recognition by The President and Vice President of Nigeria during the Presidential Power Reform Transactions Signing Summit in Abuja, April 2013.
GE also signed an MOU with the Nigeria Sovereign Investment Authority (NSIA) to develop and finance infrastructure projects in Nigeria with a focus on power, rail and healthcare.
GE’s 1 Billion Dollar Investment
In January 2013, GE announced a 5-year plan to invest over $ I billion in Nigeria to strengthen its local presence in manufacturing and product services. This investment includes about $ 250 million in capital expenditure to expand GE’s manufacturing and servicing capabilities, including additional investment in the Port-Harcourt and Onne facilities as well as a new assembly and manufacturing facility to be located in Calabar. A further $ 800 million is estimated as incremental spend in local sourcing of goods/services, labor, staff welfare and training over the 5-year period. This investment will make Nigeria a regional hub for manufacturing, service, and innovation with an improved ability to support a broader range of product lines in power generation as well as oil & gas exploration and production. GE also expects that this new investment will create 2,300 new jobs in Nigeria and enable knowledge/skills development and technology transfer.

http://www.ge.com/ng/

GE in South Africa
About GE in South Africa
President & CEO – Southern Africa: Tim Schweikert
GE South Africa has a record of over 100 years in South Africa with leading localized global infrastructure technologies, services and solutions, backed by a customer-centric organizational culture geared to give customers fast, powerful access to in-market expertise and resources.
GE is committed to partnering with South Africa in Nation Building by actively participating in the sustainable development of the country with advanced infrastructure technologies, services and solutions.
In South Africa, GE's strategy is focused on local innovation, partnerships, building capability for customers and investing in local talent and presence, with businesses spanning across a number of key sectors including rail transportation, healthcare and energy management.
Today, GE’s footprint in South Africa consists of over 390 employees with offices in Johannesburg, Cape Town, Durban and Secunda. GE also has a Switchgear manufacturing and assembly facility in Johannesburg.
GE is committed to assisting South Africa achieve its Vision 2030 goals in various sectors including:
GE Water & Sasol: GE Water and Sasol launched the jointly developed the Anaerobic Membrane Bioreactor Technology (AnMBR) that will clean waste water and make it reusable in industrial processes, while also providing biogas as a by-product for power generation.
GE Intelligent Platforms: GE intelligent platforms, the Real-Time Operational Intelligence (RtOI) technology known as Proficy Mobile, is assisting the mining industry to drive efficiency with real-time access to operational information, using the latest generation of mobile iOS and Android devices.
Localization in Rail Transportation: GE, in partnership with South Africa’s Transnet Rail Engineering, has been working together in assembling locomotives locally and have to date fulfilled over 140 locomotives for Transnet.
http://www.ge.com/za/

Hot dog! More great news!

Great news! Take U.S. support and money out of the equation, and the global warming scam unravels. Another piece of the Obama legacy gets shredded.

(05-31-2017 08:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I better get off this site. For two reasons:

1. The inevitable sanctions coming from EU and NATO will likely mean layoffs in an industry as mine, and I can't be the low hanging fruit.

2. You cons are so f'ing dense, you cheer the destruction of the U.S. economy and the wellbeing of the planet because "that'll show them stoopid libs". It's a shame most of y'all won't be around long enough to live with your choices. The younger generation has to deal with this **** for decades longer.

You should have left when obama was in office...

(05-31-2017 10:48 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Great news! Take U.S. support and money out of the equation, and the global warming scam unravels. Another piece of the Obama legacy gets shredded.

Yep