Here's the latest list:

2017 Kings
Alabama
Clemson
Florida
Florida State
LSU
Miami
Michigan
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Penn State
Texas
USC

Barons
Auburn
Georgia
Michigan State
Nebraska
Oregon
Stanford
Tennessee
Texas A&M
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Wisconsin

Knights
Arizona State
Arkansas
Baylor
BYU
Cal
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas State
Louisville
Maryland
Missouri
NC State
North Carolina
Northwestern
Oklahoma State
Ole Miss
Pittsburgh
Purdue
South Carolina
Syracuse
TCU
Texas Tech
Utah
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia

Peasants
Arizona
Boston College
Duke
Minnesota
Indiana
Iowa State
Kansas
Kentucky
Mississippi State
Oregon State
Purdue
Rutgers
Wake Forest
Washington State
Vanderbilt


FWIW, if you count Notre Dame as 5/8ths ACC...

Conf..Kings
ACC...3.625
B1G...3
SEC...3
Pac...1
XII...1

K3, P2, G5



I've summarized all 3 (2007, 2012 and 2017) in my blog:
http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2017/0...s-and.html

In 5 years , I think Louisville will move up to be a baron and the rest of the ACC will likely remain the same unless Miami does nothing for the next five years.

1) I dont know how Nebraska is not a King with 5 national championships last one coming in 1997.
2) Syracuse used to be a Baron but is now a knight. Hoping Babers can turn things around before they become a peasant.

(05-25-2017 01:22 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  In 5 years , I think Louisville will move up to be a baron and the rest of the ACC will likely remain the same unless Miami does nothing for the next five years.

Don't you think Pitt can reach Baron status as well? The Panthers certainly have the history for it - now just win baby (except Nov. 18th - Pitt can lose that one).

(05-25-2017 01:22 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  In 5 years , I think Louisville will move up to be a baron and the rest of the ACC will likely remain the same unless Miami does nothing for the next five years.

I hope you are right! You may be more optimistic than me though. It would take a great deal of success because as he clearly, and correctly mentions, this is not just recent on the field success. While he claims Louisville's rise is the highest in his 10 year window, the Cards are coming from well behind in the history consideration compared to any other Barons.

Wow...VERY friendly evaluations of the ACC. Moving Clemson up without reservations (easy enough call), retaining Miami (iffy), retaining VT (look at some of the teams on that level), elevating NC (I guess?), and retaining Syracuse (um...generous).

The only one that might not have gotten the benefit of the doubt was maybe Duke? It's justifiable, but they are borderline and have been on a higher level than most of the teams they're ranked with.

Considering how much this list captures fans' imaginations, this is a pretty good look for the ACC all things considered.

(05-25-2017 04:47 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  Wow...VERY friendly evaluations of the ACC. Moving Clemson up without reservations (easy enough call), retaining Miami (iffy), retaining VT (look at some of the teams on that level), elevating NC (I guess?), and retaining Syracuse (um...generous).

The only one that might not have gotten the benefit of the doubt was maybe Duke? It's justifiable, but they are borderline and have been on a higher level than most of the teams they're ranked with.

Considering how much this list captures fans' imaginations, this is a pretty good look for the ACC all things considered.

To me they were more generous with UVA than Syracuse. I think Syracuse has been slightly better than UVA recently and has the much better history than UVA.

(05-25-2017 12:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  2017 Kings
Oklahoma
Texas

FWIW, if you count Notre Dame as 5/8ths ACC...

Conf..Kings
XII...1

Big 12 has 2 Kings Mark

If this is based on the last 5 years, 75% of the teams are classified wrong.

(05-25-2017 05:21 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 04:47 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  Wow...VERY friendly evaluations of the ACC. Moving Clemson up without reservations (easy enough call), retaining Miami (iffy), retaining VT (look at some of the teams on that level), elevating NC (I guess?), and retaining Syracuse (um...generous).

The only one that might not have gotten the benefit of the doubt was maybe Duke? It's justifiable, but they are borderline and have been on a higher level than most of the teams they're ranked with.

Considering how much this list captures fans' imaginations, this is a pretty good look for the ACC all things considered.

To me they were more generous with UVA than Syracuse. I think Syracuse has been slightly better than UVA recently and has the much better history than UVA.

I think the saving grace for UVA and Cuse being at the Knight level is that they were both able to attract quality coaches last year. Had either one of them had to settle for an up and coming assistant instead of proven head coach I think either would have dropped to a peasant.

On the one hand, I want to say Cuse's history should keep them out of being a Peasant but on the other hand it didn't save BC and BC has been nationally relevant much more recently than Cuse. But BC has been abysmally awful, not just miss a bowl bad, for a while now.

The perception of UVA is that it's a better job than a peasant job. And I think it is. Coaching was mentioned, and they still recruited pretty well through 14 years of Al Groh and Mike London. It's only the last few years that their recruiting has fallen off. On field performance has been that of a peasant for a while now and another 5 years of poor recruiting and abysmal on field results and they'll fall to a peasant.

(05-25-2017 08:10 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  If this is based on the last 5 years, 75% of the teams are classified wrong.

It's not based on 5 years of performance it's based on perception of the program.

(05-25-2017 07:34 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 12:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  2017 Kings
Oklahoma
Texas

FWIW, if you count Notre Dame as 5/8ths ACC...

Conf..Kings
XII...1

Big 12 has 2 Kings Mark

Gee, are OU and UT really still in the Big XII?

(05-25-2017 08:41 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 08:10 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  If this is based on the last 5 years, 75% of the teams are classified wrong.

It's not based on 5 years of performance it's based on perception of the program.

Yes. This list is almost the polar opposite of ranking solely by a small window of on the field performance only.

Kind if weird that Syracuse is higher than BC considering that BC has recently been to more bowls and has been doing better in the last two decades. It's like the last thing he remembers between the two schools is Donovan McNabb.

(05-25-2017 05:21 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 04:47 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  Wow...VERY friendly evaluations of the ACC. Moving Clemson up without reservations (easy enough call), retaining Miami (iffy), retaining VT (look at some of the teams on that level), elevating NC (I guess?), and retaining Syracuse (um...generous).

The only one that might not have gotten the benefit of the doubt was maybe Duke? It's justifiable, but they are borderline and have been on a higher level than most of the teams they're ranked with.

Considering how much this list captures fans' imaginations, this is a pretty good look for the ACC all things considered.

To me they were more generous with UVA than Syracuse. I think Syracuse has been slightly better than UVA recently and has the much better history than UVA.

Agree, generous with UVA as well, that's another one that could have definitely moved down.

(05-25-2017 03:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 01:22 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  In 5 years , I think Louisville will move up to be a baron and the rest of the ACC will likely remain the same unless Miami does nothing for the next five years.

Don't you think Pitt can reach Baron status as well? The Panthers certainly have the history for it - now just win baby (except Nov. 18th - Pitt can lose that one).

Which teams currently listed as barons do you think would be dropped down to make room for those two?

(05-27-2017 09:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 03:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 01:22 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  In 5 years , I think Louisville will move up to be a baron and the rest of the ACC will likely remain the same unless Miami does nothing for the next five years.

Don't you think Pitt can reach Baron status as well? The Panthers certainly have the history for it - now just win baby (except Nov. 18th - Pitt can lose that one).

Which teams currently listed as barons do you think would be dropped down to make room for those two?

The numbers are not constant, so no need to drop anyone.

(05-27-2017 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-27-2017 09:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 03:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 01:22 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  In 5 years , I think Louisville will move up to be a baron and the rest of the ACC will likely remain the same unless Miami does nothing for the next five years.

Don't you think Pitt can reach Baron status as well? The Panthers certainly have the history for it - now just win baby (except Nov. 18th - Pitt can lose that one).

Which teams currently listed as barons do you think would be dropped down to make room for those two?

The numbers are not constant, so no need to drop anyone.

At some point, if you just elevate the teams that are improving without dropping someone, you wind up with Lake Wobegon, where all the children are above average.

How would it look if all sports were included?