(06-15-2017 03:15 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 12:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 11:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 10:56 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

Incomplete data can be used to prove most any result.

Lets look at an NBA example

James Jones in 09-10 was on teh cavaliers team that went 61-21 left and the 10-11 team went 19-63
James Jones Joined Miami in 10-11 and that team went from 47-35 to 58-24
James Jones then Left Miami in 2013-14 with a 58-24 record and Miami team went 37-45
James Jones Joined Cleveland in 2014-15 season and they went from 33-49 to 53-29

To an uninformed person they would easily think the James Jones is a great player.

Winner!

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The rest of the planet sees James Jones and his 5.2 career ppg average and don't see anything close to greatness. Yes, you two sure are "winners."

Still over your head...

It is an example of how providing incomplete data doesn't tell the story. When you cherry pick data points and completely ignore other situations that impact those data points you are not painting an accurate picture just like I did with James Jones.

For starters, nobody has posted ANYTHING valid in defense of Tubby except that he takes ****** programs to the NCAA tournament. In order for him to break through that very very low ceiling he would have to recruit better at Memphis and not run off 75% of the team...he hasn't.

The entire data has been posted over and over.

4 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years
1 NCAA win in 10 years
4 Seasons no postseason
Crappy recruiting (continuing at Memphis)
Nobody good willing to hire a HOF coach
Hires Saul

That's all the data we need. The rest is smoke.

(06-15-2017 03:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 03:15 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 12:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 11:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 10:56 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  Winner!

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The rest of the planet sees James Jones and his 5.2 career ppg average and don't see anything close to greatness. Yes, you two sure are "winners."

Still over your head...

It is an example of how providing incomplete data doesn't tell the story. When you cherry pick data points and completely ignore other situations that impact those data points you are not painting an accurate picture just like I did with James Jones.

For starters, nobody has posted ANYTHING valid in defense of Tubby except that he takes ****** programs to the NCAA tournament. In order for him to break through that very very low ceiling he would have to recruit better at Memphis and not run off 75% of the team...he hasn't.

The entire data has been posted over and over.

4 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years
1 NCAA win in 10 years
4 Seasons no postseason
Crappy recruiting (continuing at Memphis)
Nobody good willing to hire a HOF coach
Hires Saul

That's all the data we need. The rest is smoke.

At least you admit that you can't refute the facts when they are in black and white. The truth hurts.

(06-15-2017 03:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 03:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 03:15 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 12:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 11:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  The rest of the planet sees James Jones and his 5.2 career ppg average and don't see anything close to greatness. Yes, you two sure are "winners."

Still over your head...

It is an example of how providing incomplete data doesn't tell the story. When you cherry pick data points and completely ignore other situations that impact those data points you are not painting an accurate picture just like I did with James Jones.

For starters, nobody has posted ANYTHING valid in defense of Tubby except that he takes ****** programs to the NCAA tournament. In order for him to break through that very very low ceiling he would have to recruit better at Memphis and not run off 75% of the team...he hasn't.

The entire data has been posted over and over.

4 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years
1 NCAA win in 10 years
4 Seasons no postseason
Crappy recruiting (continuing at Memphis)
Nobody good willing to hire a HOF coach
Hires Saul

That's all the data we need. The rest is smoke.

At least you admit that you can't refute the facts when they are in black and white. The truth hurts.

I tend to take Stammers side in this argument, but regardless of subject, right or wrong, here's something that will never happen:

Stammers Wrote:I was wrong

I tend to decide independently after gathering info bits here, there and everywhere, but that winds up being more in line with Stammers these days too.

The others who would be more in line with Stammers have either vacated the premises, been banned or have decided it's no longer worth the effort to care.

lol that sounds a bit grim but.....I ain't going full grim yet. :D

(06-15-2017 03:15 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 12:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 11:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 10:56 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

Incomplete data can be used to prove most any result.

Lets look at an NBA example

James Jones in 09-10 was on teh cavaliers team that went 61-21 left and the 10-11 team went 19-63
James Jones Joined Miami in 10-11 and that team went from 47-35 to 58-24
James Jones then Left Miami in 2013-14 with a 58-24 record and Miami team went 37-45
James Jones Joined Cleveland in 2014-15 season and they went from 33-49 to 53-29

To an uninformed person they would easily think the James Jones is a great player.

Winner!

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The rest of the planet sees James Jones and his 5.2 career ppg average and don't see anything close to greatness. Yes, you two sure are "winners."

Still over your head...

It is an example of how providing incomplete data doesn't tell the story. When you cherry pick data points and completely ignore other situations that impact those data points you are not painting an accurate picture just like I did with James Jones.

For starters, nobody has posted ANYTHING valid in defense of Tubby except that he takes ****** programs to the NCAA tournament. In order for him to break through that very very low ceiling he would have to recruit better at Memphis and not run off 75% of the team...he hasn't.

The entire data has been posted over and over.

4 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years
1 NCAA win in 10 years
4 Seasons no postseason
Crappy recruiting (continuing at Memphis)
Nobody good willing to hire a HOF coach
Hires Saul

That's all the data we need. The rest is smoke.

Well the "entire" data on Tubby would show that when Tubby was at a historically strong program (kinda like Memphis or at least more like Memphis than Texas Tech), he went to the NCAAs EVERY YEAR, HAD SEVERAL ELITE 8s AND A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. At least that is what it shows if you take the "entire" data set. You said Memphis is a top program so that would be the closest matching example in Tubby's data set. Tubby is either good at good schools or Memphis is not a program good enough for him to succeed at.

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(06-15-2017 03:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 03:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 03:15 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 12:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 11:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  The rest of the planet sees James Jones and his 5.2 career ppg average and don't see anything close to greatness. Yes, you two sure are "winners."

Still over your head...

It is an example of how providing incomplete data doesn't tell the story. When you cherry pick data points and completely ignore other situations that impact those data points you are not painting an accurate picture just like I did with James Jones.

For starters, nobody has posted ANYTHING valid in defense of Tubby except that he takes ****** programs to the NCAA tournament. In order for him to break through that very very low ceiling he would have to recruit better at Memphis and not run off 75% of the team...he hasn't.

The entire data has been posted over and over.

4 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years
1 NCAA win in 10 years
4 Seasons no postseason
Crappy recruiting (continuing at Memphis)
Nobody good willing to hire a HOF coach
Hires Saul

That's all the data we need. The rest is smoke.

At least you admit that you can't refute the facts when they are in black and white. The truth hurts.

He didn't admit anything. That is you making things up again.

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(06-15-2017 04:11 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  I tend to take Stammers side in this argument, but regardless of subject, right or wrong, here's something that will never happen:

Stammers Wrote:I was wrong

I lost what his side is a long time ago other than "I just want to be right." with a side of "I hate Tubby so the team is doomed." and I'm going to back that up with manipulated data points or out right lies. If you got something rational beyond that I'd be happy to push the discussion in that direction.....Please.

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(06-15-2017 04:40 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 04:11 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  I tend to take Stammers side in this argument, but regardless of subject, right or wrong, here's something that will never happen:

Stammers Wrote:I was wrong

I lost what his side is a long time ago other than "I just want to be right." with a side of "I hate Tubby so the team is doomed." and I'm going to back that up with manipulated data points or out right lies. If you got something rational beyond that I'd be happy to push the discussion in that direction.....Please.

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I don't understand why you are still trying to have a conversation with him...

He has issues.

(06-15-2017 04:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 04:40 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 04:11 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  I tend to take Stammers side in this argument, but regardless of subject, right or wrong, here's something that will never happen:

Stammers Wrote:I was wrong

I lost what his side is a long time ago other than "I just want to be right." with a side of "I hate Tubby so the team is doomed." and I'm going to back that up with manipulated data points or out right lies. If you got something rational beyond that I'd be happy to push the discussion in that direction.....Please.

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I don't understand why you are still trying to have a conversation with him...

He has issues.

Trying to shift the thread to conversation with Briskbas for exactly that reason.

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(06-15-2017 04:51 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 04:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 04:40 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 04:11 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  I tend to take Stammers side in this argument, but regardless of subject, right or wrong, here's something that will never happen:

Stammers Wrote:I was wrong

I lost what his side is a long time ago other than "I just want to be right." with a side of "I hate Tubby so the team is doomed." and I'm going to back that up with manipulated data points or out right lies. If you got something rational beyond that I'd be happy to push the discussion in that direction.....Please.

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I don't understand why you are still trying to have a conversation with him...

He has issues.

Trying to shift the thread to conversation with Briskbas for exactly that reason.

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Makes complete sense.

(06-15-2017 04:11 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  I tend to take Stammers side in this argument, but regardless of subject, right or wrong, here's something that will never happen:

Stammers Wrote:I was wrong

That's because you don't like Tubby. So of course you would agree with it.


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(06-15-2017 04:28 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 03:15 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 12:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 11:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 10:56 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  Winner!

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The rest of the planet sees James Jones and his 5.2 career ppg average and don't see anything close to greatness. Yes, you two sure are "winners."

Still over your head...

It is an example of how providing incomplete data doesn't tell the story. When you cherry pick data points and completely ignore other situations that impact those data points you are not painting an accurate picture just like I did with James Jones.

For starters, nobody has posted ANYTHING valid in defense of Tubby except that he takes ****** programs to the NCAA tournament. In order for him to break through that very very low ceiling he would have to recruit better at Memphis and not run off 75% of the team...he hasn't.

The entire data has been posted over and over.

4 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years
1 NCAA win in 10 years
4 Seasons no postseason
Crappy recruiting (continuing at Memphis)
Nobody good willing to hire a HOF coach
Hires Saul

That's all the data we need. The rest is smoke.

Well the "entire" data on Tubby would show that when Tubby was at a historically strong program (kinda like Memphis or at least more like Memphis than Texas Tech), he went to the NCAAs EVERY YEAR, HAD SEVERAL ELITE 8s AND A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. At least that is what it shows if you take the "entire" data set. You said Memphis is a top program so that would be the closest matching example in Tubby's data set. Tubby is either good at good schools or Memphis is not a program good enough for him to succeed at.

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It took you a while to get here, but here you are finally. I'm proud of you.

Quote:You said Memphis is a top program so that would be the closest matching example in Tubby's data set. Tubby is either good at good schools or Memphis is not a program good enough for him to succeed at.

Rajon Rondo
Chuck Hayes
Jodie Meeks
Nazr Mohammed
Tayshaun Prince
Scott Padgett
Jamaal Magloire
Keith Bogans
Wayne Turner
Randolph Morris
Gerald Fitch
Joe Crawford
Michael Bradley

Where are these guys? When are they coming?

2007 IMac
320 GB hard drive
2 GB RAM
No HD
No Media card slots
2 USB ports

2017 IMac
1 TB hard drive
8 GB RAM
3 USB ports

2017 Tubby Smith
320 GB hard drive
2 GB RAM
No HD
No Media card slots
2 USB ports

Keep talking about Tubby at Kentucky as if it has any relevance to Tubby today.

(06-15-2017 05:07 PM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  ...

That's because you don't like Tubby. So of course you would agree with it.


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?

"You don't like Tubby" is a fairly gauzy concept, but if you mean something approximating "You think Tubby was a bad hire and doesn't look like he's going to have the level of success we should expect here" then while saying:

Quote:That's because you think Tubby was a bad hire and doesn't look like he's going to have the level of success we should expect here. So of course you agree with Stammers assessment that Tubby was a bad hire and doesn't look like he's going to have the level of success we should expect here

might be true, it also seems kind of trivial and not much worth saying.

Ymmv