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James Madison U. To FBS?
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It sounds like they might take any offer. C-USA is full right now. They could join the Sun Belt Conference to build their program up for the next time C-USA raids SBC again in case they get raided themselves.
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(05-29-2017 09:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.breezejmu.org/sports/jmu-athl...d0778.html


It sounds like they might take any offer. C-USA is full right now. They could join the Sun Belt Conference to build their program up for the next time C-USA raids SBC again in case they get raided themselves.

No they couldn't. The Sunbelt did everything but pay JMU to come in and JMU said no. JMU wanted CUSA or possibly the MAC but thr invite never came.

Not much to discuss with them. They had their chance and said no
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RE: James Madison U. To FBS?
(05-29-2017 09:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.breezejmu.org/sports/jmu-athl...d0778.html


It sounds like they might take any offer. C-USA is full right now. They could join the Sun Belt Conference to build their program up for the next time C-USA raids SBC again in case they get raided themselves.

1) They are too good for us
2) The idea of CUSA raiding us is so three years ago.

They should stay where they are.


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RE: James Madison U. To FBS?
(05-29-2017 09:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 09:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.breezejmu.org/sports/jmu-athl...d0778.html


It sounds like they might take any offer. C-USA is full right now. They could join the Sun Belt Conference to build their program up for the next time C-USA raids SBC again in case they get raided themselves.

No they couldn't. The Sunbelt did everything but pay JMU to come in and JMU said no. JMU wanted CUSA or possibly the MAC but thr invite never came.

Not much to discuss with them. They had their chance and said no

I 100% agree with this sentiment. ... IF they had had the inkling to do it they should have done it 2 years ago.... now might be too late and nothing is really open.
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RE: James Madison U. To FBS?
I think the boat has sailed. I think JMU will be regretting that decision for many years. Sunbelt unlikely to expand in the near future and School Presidents and Conference Offices have long memories. They will now have to fight UT-Chat, EKU, Missouri St, Youngstown St, and others wanting these spots if they become available.
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RE: James Madison U. To FBS?
Often said that at least some CAA schools were preparing to go FBS, starting with JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook and Albany, but that was always poo-pooed here. If schools work together for FBS, it gets a lot cheaper. Liberty has shown that the NCAA will give a waiver.

CAA football membership is not the same as CAA membership and are not necessarily mutual.

With Liberty just down the road, sincerely doubt JMU wants to be in a lesser division now.
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JMU made thier decision. They are going to be stuck with it for a while.
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RE: James Madison U. To FBS?
(05-29-2017 09:36 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 09:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.breezejmu.org/sports/jmu-athl...d0778.html


It sounds like they might take any offer. C-USA is full right now. They could join the Sun Belt Conference to build their program up for the next time C-USA raids SBC again in case they get raided themselves.

1) They are too good for us
2) The idea of CUSA raiding us is so three years ago.

They should stay where they are.


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This, x 1000.

JMU's fans would probably vote to join FBS, tomorrow and join the Sun Belt. JMU's Admin wants no part of it.

But I'm not sure there's even a spot for them in the Belt, even if they decided to pursue membership with us. They'd need another member. My guess is they could try to get NMSU added with them as a full member (Adding NMSU to placate some Western teams in order to get them to agree to another East school might get them back in).

Either way, it ain't happening.
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James Madison had their chance and said no. It's amazing the effect Liberty is having on everyone right now. This timing is 100% about what Liberty did. No coincidence.
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(05-29-2017 10:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Often said that at least some CAA schools were preparing to go FBS, starting with JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook and Albany, but that was always poo-pooed here. If schools work together for FBS, it gets a lot cheaper. Liberty has shown that the NCAA will give a waiver.

CAA football membership is not the same as CAA membership and are not necessarily mutual.

With Liberty just down the road, sincerely doubt JMU wants to be in a lesser division now.

A waiver, sure...a share of the CFP pool.....not so fast.
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RE: James Madison U. To FBS?
(05-29-2017 10:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 10:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Often said that at least some CAA schools were preparing to go FBS, starting with JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook and Albany, but that was always poo-pooed here. If schools work together for FBS, it gets a lot cheaper. Liberty has shown that the NCAA will give a waiver.

CAA football membership is not the same as CAA membership and are not necessarily mutual.

With Liberty just down the road, sincerely doubt JMU wants to be in a lesser division now.

A waiver, sure...a share of the CFP pool.....not so fast.
They won't get a share of the CFP pool until the contract is rewritten. That's why they need CAA partners to reduce the expense and qualify as an FBS conference before sitting down for the contract negotiations. JMU doesn't have the money Liberty does, but they are much higher than many G5's.
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RE: James Madison U. To FBS?
(05-29-2017 11:26 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 10:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 10:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Often said that at least some CAA schools were preparing to go FBS, starting with JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook and Albany, but that was always poo-pooed here. If schools work together for FBS, it gets a lot cheaper. Liberty has shown that the NCAA will give a waiver.

CAA football membership is not the same as CAA membership and are not necessarily mutual.

With Liberty just down the road, sincerely doubt JMU wants to be in a lesser division now.

A waiver, sure...a share of the CFP pool.....not so fast.
They won't get a share of the CFP pool until the contract is rewritten. That's why they need CAA partners to reduce the expense and qualify as an FBS conference before sitting down for the contract negotiations. JMU doesn't have the money Liberty does, but they are much higher than many G5's.

Good luck convincing a bunch of teams to break away and survive without CFP and probably TV money in the interim.

And if they aren't in FBS as a conference when the next CFP comes out...they're not getting a cut then either.
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This reads like Weyrich's aspirations, not JMU. JMU isn't doing anything different, it's still just waiting. And Weyrich shows he isn't very tough; can someone get into JMU's face to get an official quote on the Sun Belt courtship?

I remember someone raising, and maybe it was here, that JMU is sitting on a MAC invite, and was going to be the other school added if UMass accepted their ultimatum. I still wonder if it will still come around for JMU because of Stony Brook's big talk in their athletic fundraising campaign...
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if you keep moving all these teams to the Sunbelt and CUSA you are not going to have any teams left of The Big David State Conference (TBDSC)
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If the MAC was to add JMU, who would be the other add? (Not UMass)
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(05-30-2017 09:19 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  If the MAC was to add JMU, who would be the other add? (Not UMass)

Some other possibilities, that have been mentioned in the past, include Illinois State, Northern Iowa, & SUNY Stony Brook.
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(05-30-2017 09:37 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  
(05-30-2017 09:19 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  If the MAC was to add JMU, who would be the other add? (Not UMass)

Some other possibilities, that have been mentioned in the past, include Illinois State, Northern Iowa, & SUNY Stony Brook.

The only one of the 4 who could pull of FBS football Is Illinois St. I just don't know about their stadium and facilities. They have a big basketball arena and get good support.
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(05-29-2017 11:26 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 10:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 10:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Often said that at least some CAA schools were preparing to go FBS, starting with JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook and Albany, but that was always poo-pooed here. If schools work together for FBS, it gets a lot cheaper. Liberty has shown that the NCAA will give a waiver.

CAA football membership is not the same as CAA membership and are not necessarily mutual.

With Liberty just down the road, sincerely doubt JMU wants to be in a lesser division now.

A waiver, sure...a share of the CFP pool.....not so fast.
They won't get a share of the CFP pool until the contract is rewritten. That's why they need CAA partners to reduce the expense and qualify as an FBS conference before sitting down for the contract negotiations. JMU doesn't have the money Liberty does, but they are much higher than many G5's.
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/ae/ae4c3b06e...c4d9b2.jpg

Unless you can show me an article stating Liberty gets no CFP money, I will have to doubt that claim. It seems it would come out of the Independents pool. Remember, Sun Belt and MAC payouts are not affected by UMASS, NMSU and Idaho leaving. UMASS got a payout as an Independent. I imagine NMSU will as well. With Idaho leaving, this does not impact what the CFP would have paid out. I have not seen the contract but unless it stated you had to be FBS by a certain date, I imagine Liberty will be getting a payout. In addition, with Idaho going down to FCS, it just seems they will get what their portion as an independent. Seems far cheaper to include Liberty out of the indepedents pool than go thru a lawsuit. Again, the only decision that may some worst than JMU is Idaho's drop to FCS. I doubt Big Sky gets an increase for Idaho, but then again, I will say these are my guesses and not statement of fact.

Independents

The other three independents (Army, BYU and Massachusetts) share a collective pool of $930,462.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristidosh/...4828767014
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(05-30-2017 10:01 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 11:26 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 10:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 10:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Often said that at least some CAA schools were preparing to go FBS, starting with JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook and Albany, but that was always poo-pooed here. If schools work together for FBS, it gets a lot cheaper. Liberty has shown that the NCAA will give a waiver.

CAA football membership is not the same as CAA membership and are not necessarily mutual.

With Liberty just down the road, sincerely doubt JMU wants to be in a lesser division now.

A waiver, sure...a share of the CFP pool.....not so fast.
They won't get a share of the CFP pool until the contract is rewritten. That's why they need CAA partners to reduce the expense and qualify as an FBS conference before sitting down for the contract negotiations. JMU doesn't have the money Liberty does, but they are much higher than many G5's.
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/ae/ae4c3b06e...c4d9b2.jpg

Unless you can show me an article stating Liberty gets no CFP money, I will have to doubt that claim. It seems it would come out of the Independents pool. Remember, Sun Belt and MAC payouts are not affected by UMASS, NMSU and Idaho leaving. UMASS got a payout as an Independent. I imagine NMSU will as well. With Idaho leaving, this does not impact what the CFP would have paid out. I have not seen the contract but unless it stated you had to be FBS by a certain date, I imagine Liberty will be getting a payout. In addition, with Idaho going down to FCS, it just seems they will get what their portion as an independent. Seems far cheaper to include Liberty out of the indepedents pool than go thru a lawsuit. Again, the only decision that may some worst than JMU is Idaho's drop to FCS. I doubt Big Sky gets an increase for Idaho, but then again, I will say these are my guesses and not statement of fact.

Independents

The other three independents (Army, BYU and Massachusetts) share a collective pool of $930,462.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristidosh/...4828767014
$300 k annnually is hardly an FBS enticement. A conference CFP can be enticing and a difference maker.
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I think James Madison would fit well in the MAC. I've spent many a weekend there (sister went there) and it is very similar feeling to Ohio University (my undergrad alma mater) with the noted caveat that Ohio's campus is not bisected by a giant four-lane highway. I think the Virginia schools would work well in the MAC: James Madison, William and Mary, Old Dominion, Liberty, etc. Then again, I always thought Marshall was a great fit in the MAC as well and they took the first train out of town, so what do I know?
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