"And while he makes an easy scapegoat for local columnists, this year’s under performing season and mass exodus of veteran players isn’t entirely Smith’s fault. The blame that did fall on him had to do with his plans for the offense differing from those of Pastner, who recruited all the departing players. In the case of Randall and Rykhoek, the two reserves didn’t fit into Smith’s system well—Randall was a point guard that was asked to change to a shooting guard and Rykhoek, who just transferred in from Baylor and continued to battle injuries, didn’t fit well with their interior system."

Who thinks Tubby makes an easy scapegoat?

Well, Rykhoek was a Tubby guy, so he has to take the blame for that if Rykhoek did not fit his system.
I also tend to put partial blame on Tubby for Crawford. Partial blame because it is true that Crawford may have transfered anyway, but definite blame because Tubby made no real effort to re-recruit him. Crawford was recruited here by Pastner, if Tubby wanted to keep him, Tubby should have recruited him as well. Especially after I listened to an interview from Tubby about the way college has changed with grad transfers and he predicted 800 transfers this offseason. So he was certainly aware that grad transfers were a major issue and he knew Crawford qualified as a grad transfer and he was not initially recruited by Tubby and he still failed to make an effort to try and keep Crawford. He has made so many mistakes this past season (self-admittedly) that there is no doubt that he shoulders a lot of blame on where the state of the program is.

Also throw in Clergeot that not only did Tubby recruit to Memphis, but had been recruiting previously so knew everything he needed to know about the player, then went so far as to use Clergeot as an example of his type of player who transfered.

(05-29-2017 05:44 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 05:37 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 12:56 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  "And while he makes an easy scapegoat for local columnists, this year’s under performing season and mass exodus of veteran players isn’t entirely Smith’s fault. The blame that did fall on him had to do with his plans for the offense differing from those of Pastner, who recruited all the departing players. In the case of Randall and Rykhoek, the two reserves didn’t fit into Smith’s system well—Randall was a point guard that was asked to change to a shooting guard and Rykhoek, who just transferred in from Baylor and continued to battle injuries, didn’t fit well with their interior system."

Who thinks Tubby makes an easy scapegoat?

Funny he doesn't look jewish

This team didn't under perform until the Lawson boys quit on their team.

Are you sure it wasn't the coach who quit on the Lawson boys?

Temple- loss- 27 pts 12 rbs
UConn- loss- 12 pts 7 rbs
Cinci- loss- 21 pts 10 rbs
Hous- loss- 12 pts 13 rbs
Tulane- Win- 29 pts 8 rbs
SMU- loss- 13pts 5 rbs
UFC- loss -12 pts 9 rbs

18 pts 9rbs average.

And some people want to say this 19 year old is the reason we lost the last 6 out of 7 games. Ridiculous.

The worst part of all to me is seeing Keon Clergeot and Rykhoeck leave...his recruits.....we had enough of that with Pastner.

(05-29-2017 12:56 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  "And while he makes an easy scapegoat for local columnists, this year’s under performing season and mass exodus of veteran players isn’t entirely Smith’s fault. The blame that did fall on him had to do with his plans for the offense differing from those of Pastner, who recruited all the departing players. In the case of Randall and Rykhoek, the two reserves didn’t fit into Smith’s system well—Randall was a point guard that was asked to change to a shooting guard and Rykhoek, who just transferred in from Baylor and continued to battle injuries, didn’t fit well with their interior system."

Who thinks Tubby makes an easy scapegoat?

When Tubby's teams are rolling they look like a typical Big Ten team on offense and are pests defensively on a slightly lesser level than Shaka Smart's teams at VCU.

Dedric, Rykhoek and Randall were not Tubby type players, but the rest of the players were.

(05-29-2017 06:12 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 05:44 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 05:37 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 12:56 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  "And while he makes an easy scapegoat for local columnists, this year’s under performing season and mass exodus of veteran players isn’t entirely Smith’s fault. The blame that did fall on him had to do with his plans for the offense differing from those of Pastner, who recruited all the departing players. In the case of Randall and Rykhoek, the two reserves didn’t fit into Smith’s system well—Randall was a point guard that was asked to change to a shooting guard and Rykhoek, who just transferred in from Baylor and continued to battle injuries, didn’t fit well with their interior system."

Who thinks Tubby makes an easy scapegoat?

Funny he doesn't look jewish

This team didn't under perform until the Lawson boys quit on their team.

Are you sure it wasn't the coach who quit on the Lawson boys?

Allowing a 28-0 run without calling a time out is noticed.

(05-29-2017 06:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Temple- loss- 27 pts 12 rbs
UConn- loss- 12 pts 7 rbs
Cinci- loss- 21 pts 10 rbs
Hous- loss- 12 pts 13 rbs
Tulane- Win- 29 pts 8 rbs
SMU- loss- 13pts 5 rbs
UFC- loss -12 pts 9 rbs

18 pts 9rbs average.

And some people want to say this 19 year old is the reason we lost the last 6 out of 7 games. Ridiculous.

By the last 6-7 games the Lawson culture had affected the whole team. The required effort & team approach required to win BB games was gone. The Lawsons had become the team leaders & the rest of the team was just following them, giving the same me first effort or had given up fighting the malaise. The team motto became "what's in it for me". So quote all the stats you want but they mean little in a team game like BB with the culture that existed on the Memphis squad - the same culture that was expressed by KJ publicly in his tweets. Teams won't win in that environment regardless of the perceived physical talent (it's been proven over & over again by numerous unsuccessful teams at all levels of sports).

(05-30-2017 06:43 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 06:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Temple- loss- 27 pts 12 rbs
UConn- loss- 12 pts 7 rbs
Cinci- loss- 21 pts 10 rbs
Hous- loss- 12 pts 13 rbs
Tulane- Win- 29 pts 8 rbs
SMU- loss- 13pts 5 rbs
UFC- loss -12 pts 9 rbs

18 pts 9rbs average.

And some people want to say this 19 year old is the reason we lost the last 6 out of 7 games. Ridiculous.

By the last 6-7 games the Lawson culture had affected the whole team. The required effort & team approach required to win BB games was gone. The Lawsons had become the team leaders & the rest of the team was just following them, giving the same me first effort or had given up fighting the malaise. The team motto became "what's in it for me". So quote all the stats you want but they mean little in a team game like BB with the culture that existed on the Memphis squad - the same culture that was expressed by KJ publicly in his tweets. Teams won't win in that environment regardless of the perceived physical talent (it's been proven over & over again by numerous unsuccessful teams at all levels of sports).

I don't doubt that that played a part in it, but I would think that the cumulative effect of having no bench and playing guys 30+ minutes per game also took its toll.

Also, don't forget that with the problems allegedly happening in Florida and Clergeot allegedly being part of it, that not everything points to the Lawsons. Markell, Clergeot and Randall transferring suggests that the issues involved EVERYONE.

(05-30-2017 08:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 06:43 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 06:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Temple- loss- 27 pts 12 rbs
UConn- loss- 12 pts 7 rbs
Cinci- loss- 21 pts 10 rbs
Hous- loss- 12 pts 13 rbs
Tulane- Win- 29 pts 8 rbs
SMU- loss- 13pts 5 rbs
UFC- loss -12 pts 9 rbs

18 pts 9rbs average.

And some people want to say this 19 year old is the reason we lost the last 6 out of 7 games. Ridiculous.

By the last 6-7 games the Lawson culture had affected the whole team. The required effort & team approach required to win BB games was gone. The Lawsons had become the team leaders & the rest of the team was just following them, giving the same me first effort or had given up fighting the malaise. The team motto became "what's in it for me". So quote all the stats you want but they mean little in a team game like BB with the culture that existed on the Memphis squad - the same culture that was expressed by KJ publicly in his tweets. Teams won't win in that environment regardless of the perceived physical talent (it's been proven over & over again by numerous unsuccessful teams at all levels of sports).

I don't doubt that that played a part in it, but I would think that the cumulative effect of having no bench and playing guys 30+ minutes per game also took its toll.

Also, don't forget that with the problems allegedly happening in Florida and Clergeot allegedly being part of it, that not everything points to the Lawsons. Markell, Clergeot and Randall transferring suggests that the issues involved EVERYONE.

Yep

(05-29-2017 06:41 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  The worst part of all to me is seeing Keon Clergeot and Rykhoeck leave...his recruits.....we had enough of that with Pastner.

kids transfer...it's what they do. 644 transfers and counting this season.

the Pastner miserables have just become Tubby miserables...it's just the same dreck over and over.

(05-29-2017 07:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 12:56 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  "And while he makes an easy scapegoat for local columnists, this year’s under performing season and mass exodus of veteran players isn’t entirely Smith’s fault. The blame that did fall on him had to do with his plans for the offense differing from those of Pastner, who recruited all the departing players. In the case of Randall and Rykhoek, the two reserves didn’t fit into Smith’s system well—Randall was a point guard that was asked to change to a shooting guard and Rykhoek, who just transferred in from Baylor and continued to battle injuries, didn’t fit well with their interior system."

Who thinks Tubby makes an easy scapegoat?

When Tubby's teams are rolling they look like a typical Big Ten team on offense and are pests defensively on a slightly lesser level than Shaka Smart's teams at VCU.

Dedric, Rykhoek and Randall were not Tubby type players, but the rest of the players were.

Crawford and Martin certainly were...

KJ was a pretty big defensive liability (slow footed).

Rivers defensively definitely was if he didn't have to guard centers/PFs all game.

If this incoming team cannot defend I think that will be a sign of things to come...They may not win enough to make the post season if they cannot score but if they are a good defensive team I think there will be room for optimism.

(05-30-2017 06:43 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 06:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Temple- loss- 27 pts 12 rbs
UConn- loss- 12 pts 7 rbs
Cinci- loss- 21 pts 10 rbs
Hous- loss- 12 pts 13 rbs
Tulane- Win- 29 pts 8 rbs
SMU- loss- 13pts 5 rbs
UFC- loss -12 pts 9 rbs

18 pts 9rbs average.

And some people want to say this 19 year old is the reason we lost the last 6 out of 7 games. Ridiculous.

By the last 6-7 games the Lawson culture had affected the whole team. The required effort & team approach required to win BB games was gone. The Lawsons had become the team leaders & the rest of the team was just following them, giving the same me first effort or had given up fighting the malaise. The team motto became "what's in it for me". So quote all the stats you want but they mean little in a team game like BB with the culture that existed on the Memphis squad - the same culture that was expressed by KJ publicly in his tweets. Teams won't win in that environment regardless of the perceived physical talent (it's been proven over & over again by numerous unsuccessful teams at all levels of sports).

You mean the Tubby culture had affected the whole team.
Tubby sat and watched most of the time, how inspiring was that? He let other teams go on huge runs without calling a timeout, how inspiring was that?

Teams take on the personality of their coach and last year's coach was passive.

You blame kids, I blame the 3 million dollar a year coach. But hey, if that makes you feel better about things keep on attacking kids.

(05-30-2017 01:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 06:43 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 06:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Temple- loss- 27 pts 12 rbs
UConn- loss- 12 pts 7 rbs
Cinci- loss- 21 pts 10 rbs
Hous- loss- 12 pts 13 rbs
Tulane- Win- 29 pts 8 rbs
SMU- loss- 13pts 5 rbs
UFC- loss -12 pts 9 rbs

18 pts 9rbs average.

And some people want to say this 19 year old is the reason we lost the last 6 out of 7 games. Ridiculous.

By the last 6-7 games the Lawson culture had affected the whole team. The required effort & team approach required to win BB games was gone. The Lawsons had become the team leaders & the rest of the team was just following them, giving the same me first effort or had given up fighting the malaise. The team motto became "what's in it for me". So quote all the stats you want but they mean little in a team game like BB with the culture that existed on the Memphis squad - the same culture that was expressed by KJ publicly in his tweets. Teams won't win in that environment regardless of the perceived physical talent (it's been proven over & over again by numerous unsuccessful teams at all levels of sports).

You mean the Tubby culture had affected the whole team.
Tubby sat and watched most of the time, how inspiring was that? He let other teams go on huge runs without calling a timeout, how inspiring was that?

Teams take on the personality of their coach and last year's coach was passive.

You blame kids, I blame the 3 million dollar a year coach. But hey, if that makes you feel better about things keep on attacking kids.

Hey, if attacking Tubby makes you feel better about things keep on, keep on....................

(05-29-2017 01:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Well, Rykhoek was a Tubby guy, so he has to take the blame for that if Rykhoek did not fit his system.
I also tend to put partial blame on Tubby for Crawford. Partial blame because it is true that Crawford may have transfered anyway, but definite blame because Tubby made no real effort to re-recruit him. Crawford was recruited here by Pastner, if Tubby wanted to keep him, Tubby should have recruited him as well. Especially after I listened to an interview from Tubby about the way college has changed with grad transfers and he predicted 800 transfers this offseason. So he was certainly aware that grad transfers were a major issue and he knew Crawford qualified as a grad transfer and he was not initially recruited by Tubby and he still failed to make an effort to try and keep Crawford. He has made so many mistakes this past season (self-admittedly) that there is no doubt that he shoulders a lot of blame on where the state of the program is.

Also throw in Clergeot that not only did Tubby recruit to Memphis, but had been recruiting previously so knew everything he needed to know about the player, then went so far as to use Clergeot as an example of his type of player who transfered.

remember that Tubby really didn't have much of a system last year. He played the hand he was dealt. He couldn't press as much as he wanted, because of the lack of depth.

(05-30-2017 01:27 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 01:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Well, Rykhoek was a Tubby guy, so he has to take the blame for that if Rykhoek did not fit his system.
I also tend to put partial blame on Tubby for Crawford. Partial blame because it is true that Crawford may have transfered anyway, but definite blame because Tubby made no real effort to re-recruit him. Crawford was recruited here by Pastner, if Tubby wanted to keep him, Tubby should have recruited him as well. Especially after I listened to an interview from Tubby about the way college has changed with grad transfers and he predicted 800 transfers this offseason. So he was certainly aware that grad transfers were a major issue and he knew Crawford qualified as a grad transfer and he was not initially recruited by Tubby and he still failed to make an effort to try and keep Crawford. He has made so many mistakes this past season (self-admittedly) that there is no doubt that he shoulders a lot of blame on where the state of the program is.

Also throw in Clergeot that not only did Tubby recruit to Memphis, but had been recruiting previously so knew everything he needed to know about the player, then went so far as to use Clergeot as an example of his type of player who transfered.

remember that Tubby really didn't have much of a system last year. He played the hand he was dealt. He couldn't press as much as he wanted, because of the lack of depth.

Tubby defense has never been pressing. Tubby defense has always been Ball Line Defense...

http://www.vivathematadors.com/2013/7/18...r-shooting

Lawsons were bad vibes

(05-30-2017 02:41 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 01:27 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 01:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Well, Rykhoek was a Tubby guy, so he has to take the blame for that if Rykhoek did not fit his system.
I also tend to put partial blame on Tubby for Crawford. Partial blame because it is true that Crawford may have transfered anyway, but definite blame because Tubby made no real effort to re-recruit him. Crawford was recruited here by Pastner, if Tubby wanted to keep him, Tubby should have recruited him as well. Especially after I listened to an interview from Tubby about the way college has changed with grad transfers and he predicted 800 transfers this offseason. So he was certainly aware that grad transfers were a major issue and he knew Crawford qualified as a grad transfer and he was not initially recruited by Tubby and he still failed to make an effort to try and keep Crawford. He has made so many mistakes this past season (self-admittedly) that there is no doubt that he shoulders a lot of blame on where the state of the program is.

Also throw in Clergeot that not only did Tubby recruit to Memphis, but had been recruiting previously so knew everything he needed to know about the player, then went so far as to use Clergeot as an example of his type of player who transfered.

remember that Tubby really didn't have much of a system last year. He played the hand he was dealt. He couldn't press as much as he wanted, because of the lack of depth.

Tubby defense has never been pressing. Tubby defense has always been Ball Line Defense...

http://www.vivathematadors.com/2013/7/18...r-shooting

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The following are defensive principles utilized by Tubby Smith...I partcularly like HUA philosophy of communicating:

1. Wherever the ball is, be on the ball.

2. Contest every shot.

3. Apply Constant Pressure.

4. Quickly retreat to the ball line.

5. Overplay/Deny penetrating passes.

6. Allow non-penetration passes.

7. Always see ball and man.

8. Play up the court as close to the ball as possible.

9. Attempt to intercept all lobs and bounce passes. Go for a steal with hand closest to the defender.

10. Say Ball and always pressure the ball. Pressuring the ball means to be one arms length away. Communicate with the correct terminology.

11. Drives must always be stopped

12. Defending the ball off a pass: when in the passing lane go for a steal with hand closest to the receiver—it leads to less grabbing. Passes away are defended with one foot in the paint, sprint to the ball, sprint to the help. On pass from top—wing, get butt to baseline.

(05-30-2017 05:24 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 02:41 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 01:27 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 01:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Well, Rykhoek was a Tubby guy, so he has to take the blame for that if Rykhoek did not fit his system.
I also tend to put partial blame on Tubby for Crawford. Partial blame because it is true that Crawford may have transfered anyway, but definite blame because Tubby made no real effort to re-recruit him. Crawford was recruited here by Pastner, if Tubby wanted to keep him, Tubby should have recruited him as well. Especially after I listened to an interview from Tubby about the way college has changed with grad transfers and he predicted 800 transfers this offseason. So he was certainly aware that grad transfers were a major issue and he knew Crawford qualified as a grad transfer and he was not initially recruited by Tubby and he still failed to make an effort to try and keep Crawford. He has made so many mistakes this past season (self-admittedly) that there is no doubt that he shoulders a lot of blame on where the state of the program is.

Also throw in Clergeot that not only did Tubby recruit to Memphis, but had been recruiting previously so knew everything he needed to know about the player, then went so far as to use Clergeot as an example of his type of player who transfered.

remember that Tubby really didn't have much of a system last year. He played the hand he was dealt. He couldn't press as much as he wanted, because of the lack of depth.

Tubby defense has never been pressing. Tubby defense has always been Ball Line Defense...

http://www.vivathematadors.com/2013/7/18...r-shooting

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


The following are defensive principles utilized by Tubby Smith...I partcularly like HUA philosophy of communicating:

1. Wherever the ball is, be on the ball.

2. Contest every shot.

3. Apply Constant Pressure.

4. Quickly retreat to the ball line.

5. Overplay/Deny penetrating passes.

6. Allow non-penetration passes.

7. Always see ball and man.

8. Play up the court as close to the ball as possible.

9. Attempt to intercept all lobs and bounce passes. Go for a steal with hand closest to the defender.

10. Say Ball and always pressure the ball. Pressuring the ball means to be one arms length away. Communicate with the correct terminology.

11. Drives must always be stopped

12. Defending the ball off a pass: when in the passing lane go for a steal with hand closest to the receiver—it leads to less grabbing. Passes away are defended with one foot in the paint, sprint to the ball, sprint to the help. On pass from top—wing, get butt to baseline.

You sound like you've coached a little!