(05-29-2017 04:23 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 03:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 03:42 PM)gdunn Wrote:  The Jester said over two months ago big news was coming in a week. F*cker is behind schedule.

The Jester is some 14 year old overweight kid with bad acne.

But he's usually so spot on.... He's a world class hackivist. I mean he could've gotten Trump's tax returns if he wanted to.

He did get Trumps tax return. It showed Trump made a sh*tload of money, paid a sh*tload of taxes, and there were no russians to be found anywhere.

(05-29-2017 04:25 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 11:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Democrats basically went all in on the Trump-Russia collusion story. If in fact that story line were to prove true then republicans would be damaged, perhaps irreparably, for a long time.

But what if it doesn't prove true? How much will democrats be damaged? How will they, and their cheerleaders in the MSM, deal with that? What if the leak turns out to be Seth Rich? What if it further turns out that democrat leadership actually had some role, or potential role, in his death? What then happens to democrats?

Bottom line: Depending on how things turn out, we could be witnessing the death of one or the other of our two major political parties. What's uncertain at this point is which one.

If only there were a scenario where they would both go away.

Can we somehow spin this and kill both parties? I vote for that ending.

We killed ours. Did you not notice that John Kasich wasnt the nominee? When we saw the republican party start some shenanigans, we put our foot down. When the DNC played shenanigans, you guys just rolled over like you always do.

But, if you want to start, you can do this. When Salon and Media Matters and CNN all try to bury the Seth Rich case, get loud about the Seth Rich case. When Debbie Wasserman Schultz threatens obstruction of justice to get her laptop back, call her out on it. And call out the mainstream for not covering it.

Ask yourself why nobody knows which hospital Seth Rich died at.

Ask yourself why the DNC would not allow the FBI to examine their server, which should have been confiscated by the FBI the moment they mentioned it was hacked by russians. Why did the FBI rely upon the company CrowdStrike? CrowdStrike was accused of using false information by the government of Ukraine in a separate December report which concluded that Russia hacked Ukrainian military hardware using the same malware allegedly employed in the DNC hack. So they have gotten the MUH RUSSIANS story wrong before.

No, you didn't kill anything. You thinking that is further evidence that you are brainwashed. MUH RUSSIANS sure sounds a lot like MUH EMAILS from where I'm sitting.

(05-29-2017 10:21 PM)Rob Wrote:  No, you didn't kill anything. You thinking that is further evidence that you are brainwashed. MUH RUSSIANS sure sounds a lot like MUH EMAILS from where I'm sitting.

I'm sure it does from where you are sitting. And thats the problem. Cause there is a sh*tload of difference between Hillarys email crimes, in which evidence has been confirmed by the FBI, and Tump/Russia, in which nobody can find any evidence to even corroborate.

(05-30-2017 09:10 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 10:21 PM)Rob Wrote:  No, you didn't kill anything. You thinking that is further evidence that you are brainwashed. MUH RUSSIANS sure sounds a lot like MUH EMAILS from where I'm sitting.

I'm sure it does from where you are sitting. And thats the problem. Cause there is a sh*tload of difference between Hillarys email crimes, in which evidence has been confirmed by the FBI, and Tump/Russia, in which nobody can find any evidence to even corroborate.

Exactly. The only question on Hillary was whether she would get convicted if charged. Everyone knows she was grossly incompetent in her handling and was pushing criminal activity if not over the line (personally I think if she was a peon instead of running for president, she would be in jail now). The facts were all clear.

There is nothing there on the Russia "story." Nothing.

The KGB is us. Its American intelligence agencies trying to manipulate the election.
And lots of those beautiful Moscow girls in the video in Red Square.

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/05/...re-russia/

I believe the real Trump-Russia communication was regarding ISIS. They probably did bypass the Obama administration to prevent leaks back to ISIS. The initial early success against ISIS came too quickly for it not to have been planned before the inauguration.

I have zero problem with the Trump administration's establishing back channel communications with "Russia" during the transition period, and quite frankly I can't understand why anyone else would.

Quick question for those who do have a problem with it: What would you expect them to do instead? Have no communications with the Russian leadership? Run those communications through the Obama administration? Conduct those communications in the clear? I can't think of any other alternatives.

(05-29-2017 10:21 PM)Rob Wrote:  No, you didn't kill anything. You thinking that is further evidence that you are brainwashed. MUH RUSSIANS sure sounds a lot like MUH EMAILS from where I'm sitting.

MUH INDEPENDENT

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(05-29-2017 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  Trump-Russia story starts to make sense-as a Russian plot, bought hook, line and sinker by US intelligence agencies.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-r...?mod=e2two

"...While the political circus in Washington has focused on purloined Democratic emails and fake news spread during the election by Russian bots, the more effective part of Moscow’s effort may have been planting fake leads to prod U.S. enforcement and intelligence agencies to intervene disruptively in the campaign.

This also should shed new light on today’s anti-Trump leakers in the intelligence agencies: They may be the real unwitting agents of Russian influence.

There are plenty of lessons to go around. Mr. Trump, if he ever really thought Vladimir Putin was his friend, probably has wised up by now. He should have wised up the moment the Steele document came into view, supposedly based on plumbing Mr. Steele’s peerless Russian intelligence contacts. It always appeared possible, even likely, that Mr. Steele was the semi-witting vehicle for Russian rumors designed expressly to undermine Mr. Trump just as Russia was also trying to undermine Mrs. Clinton.

Plenty of people in Washington could also afford to rethink how their partisan idiocy makes them soft touches for such Russian disruption efforts. That includes Rep. Adam Schiff, top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. It includes Mr. Trump too. Overdue is an inquiry into a possible Russian role in flogging the birther conspiracy and the 9/11 truther miasma. Mr. Trump, who loves a conspiracy theory, might consider how he and his ilk showed Russia a vulnerability in American political discourse that it could exploit...."

Just a couple key things to add to all of this.

1. The trump white house, in addition to the IC, is leaking like a sieve.
2. What explains all the contacts with Russians by members of team trump and why did so many of them either choose to or forget to disclose the contacts on their various disclosure forms?

And finally, regardless of whether any collusion is ever found, trump may have still cooked his own goose by refusing to confront and condemn Russia on their actions and/or by trying to shut down or otherwise interfere with investigations.

(05-30-2017 11:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  Trump-Russia story starts to make sense-as a Russian plot, bought hook, line and sinker by US intelligence agencies.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-r...?mod=e2two

"...While the political circus in Washington has focused on purloined Democratic emails and fake news spread during the election by Russian bots, the more effective part of Moscow’s effort may have been planting fake leads to prod U.S. enforcement and intelligence agencies to intervene disruptively in the campaign.

This also should shed new light on today’s anti-Trump leakers in the intelligence agencies: They may be the real unwitting agents of Russian influence.

There are plenty of lessons to go around. Mr. Trump, if he ever really thought Vladimir Putin was his friend, probably has wised up by now. He should have wised up the moment the Steele document came into view, supposedly based on plumbing Mr. Steele’s peerless Russian intelligence contacts. It always appeared possible, even likely, that Mr. Steele was the semi-witting vehicle for Russian rumors designed expressly to undermine Mr. Trump just as Russia was also trying to undermine Mrs. Clinton.

Plenty of people in Washington could also afford to rethink how their partisan idiocy makes them soft touches for such Russian disruption efforts. That includes Rep. Adam Schiff, top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. It includes Mr. Trump too. Overdue is an inquiry into a possible Russian role in flogging the birther conspiracy and the 9/11 truther miasma. Mr. Trump, who loves a conspiracy theory, might consider how he and his ilk showed Russia a vulnerability in American political discourse that it could exploit...."

Just a couple key things to add to all of this.

1. The trump white house, in addition to the IC, is leaking like a sieve.
2. What explains all the contacts with Russians by members of team trump and why did so many of them either choose to or forget to disclose the contacts on their various disclosure forms?

And finally, regardless of whether any collusion is ever found, trump may have still cooked his own goose by refusing to confront and condemn Russia on their actions and/or by trying to shut down or otherwise interfere with investigations.

Condemn Russia for what actions, exactly?

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(05-30-2017 11:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I have zero problem with the Trump administration's establishing back channel communications with "Russia" during the transition period, and quite frankly I can't understand why anyone else would.

Quick question for those who do have a problem with it: What would you expect them to do instead? Have no communications with the Russian leadership? Run those communications through the Obama administration? Conduct those communications in the clear? I can't think of any other alternatives.

(05-29-2017 12:55 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 11:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But what if it doesn't prove true? How much will democrats be damaged? How will they, and their cheerleaders in the MSM, deal with that? What if the leak turns out to be Seth Rich? What if it further turns out that democrat leadership actually had some role, or potential role, in his death? What then happens to democrats?

They'll just keep repeating themselves and claim its true.

Now who in current politics keeps telling the same lies for his minions to believe. Who could that be? I got nothing.

(05-30-2017 11:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 11:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  Trump-Russia story starts to make sense-as a Russian plot, bought hook, line and sinker by US intelligence agencies.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-r...?mod=e2two

"...While the political circus in Washington has focused on purloined Democratic emails and fake news spread during the election by Russian bots, the more effective part of Moscow’s effort may have been planting fake leads to prod U.S. enforcement and intelligence agencies to intervene disruptively in the campaign.

This also should shed new light on today’s anti-Trump leakers in the intelligence agencies: They may be the real unwitting agents of Russian influence.

There are plenty of lessons to go around. Mr. Trump, if he ever really thought Vladimir Putin was his friend, probably has wised up by now. He should have wised up the moment the Steele document came into view, supposedly based on plumbing Mr. Steele’s peerless Russian intelligence contacts. It always appeared possible, even likely, that Mr. Steele was the semi-witting vehicle for Russian rumors designed expressly to undermine Mr. Trump just as Russia was also trying to undermine Mrs. Clinton.

Plenty of people in Washington could also afford to rethink how their partisan idiocy makes them soft touches for such Russian disruption efforts. That includes Rep. Adam Schiff, top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. It includes Mr. Trump too. Overdue is an inquiry into a possible Russian role in flogging the birther conspiracy and the 9/11 truther miasma. Mr. Trump, who loves a conspiracy theory, might consider how he and his ilk showed Russia a vulnerability in American political discourse that it could exploit...."

Just a couple key things to add to all of this.

1. The trump white house, in addition to the IC, is leaking like a sieve.
2. What explains all the contacts with Russians by members of team trump and why did so many of them either choose to or forget to disclose the contacts on their various disclosure forms?

And finally, regardless of whether any collusion is ever found, trump may have still cooked his own goose by refusing to confront and condemn Russia on their actions and/or by trying to shut down or otherwise interfere with investigations.

Condemn Russia for what actions, exactly?

Seriously?

Planting fake info...bots...hacking into campaign computers...wikileaks...etc. Seriously dude?

Not to mention, didn't you initially...and maybe still...believe the Sandy Hook lie?

(05-30-2017 12:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 11:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 11:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  Trump-Russia story starts to make sense-as a Russian plot, bought hook, line and sinker by US intelligence agencies.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-r...?mod=e2two

"...While the political circus in Washington has focused on purloined Democratic emails and fake news spread during the election by Russian bots, the more effective part of Moscow’s effort may have been planting fake leads to prod U.S. enforcement and intelligence agencies to intervene disruptively in the campaign.

This also should shed new light on today’s anti-Trump leakers in the intelligence agencies: They may be the real unwitting agents of Russian influence.

There are plenty of lessons to go around. Mr. Trump, if he ever really thought Vladimir Putin was his friend, probably has wised up by now. He should have wised up the moment the Steele document came into view, supposedly based on plumbing Mr. Steele’s peerless Russian intelligence contacts. It always appeared possible, even likely, that Mr. Steele was the semi-witting vehicle for Russian rumors designed expressly to undermine Mr. Trump just as Russia was also trying to undermine Mrs. Clinton.

Plenty of people in Washington could also afford to rethink how their partisan idiocy makes them soft touches for such Russian disruption efforts. That includes Rep. Adam Schiff, top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. It includes Mr. Trump too. Overdue is an inquiry into a possible Russian role in flogging the birther conspiracy and the 9/11 truther miasma. Mr. Trump, who loves a conspiracy theory, might consider how he and his ilk showed Russia a vulnerability in American political discourse that it could exploit...."

Just a couple key things to add to all of this.

1. The trump white house, in addition to the IC, is leaking like a sieve.
2. What explains all the contacts with Russians by members of team trump and why did so many of them either choose to or forget to disclose the contacts on their various disclosure forms?

And finally, regardless of whether any collusion is ever found, trump may have still cooked his own goose by refusing to confront and condemn Russia on their actions and/or by trying to shut down or otherwise interfere with investigations.

Condemn Russia for what actions, exactly?

Seriously?

Planting fake info...bots...hacking into campaign computers...wikileaks...etc. Seriously dude?

All of that info, and not once did you mention Seth Rich.

(05-30-2017 12:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 11:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 11:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  Trump-Russia story starts to make sense-as a Russian plot, bought hook, line and sinker by US intelligence agencies.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-r...?mod=e2two

"...While the political circus in Washington has focused on purloined Democratic emails and fake news spread during the election by Russian bots, the more effective part of Moscow’s effort may have been planting fake leads to prod U.S. enforcement and intelligence agencies to intervene disruptively in the campaign.

This also should shed new light on today’s anti-Trump leakers in the intelligence agencies: They may be the real unwitting agents of Russian influence.

There are plenty of lessons to go around. Mr. Trump, if he ever really thought Vladimir Putin was his friend, probably has wised up by now. He should have wised up the moment the Steele document came into view, supposedly based on plumbing Mr. Steele’s peerless Russian intelligence contacts. It always appeared possible, even likely, that Mr. Steele was the semi-witting vehicle for Russian rumors designed expressly to undermine Mr. Trump just as Russia was also trying to undermine Mrs. Clinton.

Plenty of people in Washington could also afford to rethink how their partisan idiocy makes them soft touches for such Russian disruption efforts. That includes Rep. Adam Schiff, top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. It includes Mr. Trump too. Overdue is an inquiry into a possible Russian role in flogging the birther conspiracy and the 9/11 truther miasma. Mr. Trump, who loves a conspiracy theory, might consider how he and his ilk showed Russia a vulnerability in American political discourse that it could exploit...."

Just a couple key things to add to all of this.

1. The trump white house, in addition to the IC, is leaking like a sieve.
2. What explains all the contacts with Russians by members of team trump and why did so many of them either choose to or forget to disclose the contacts on their various disclosure forms?

And finally, regardless of whether any collusion is ever found, trump may have still cooked his own goose by refusing to confront and condemn Russia on their actions and/or by trying to shut down or otherwise interfere with investigations.

Condemn Russia for what actions, exactly?

Seriously?

Planting fake info...bots...hacking into campaign computers...wikileaks...etc. Seriously dude?

Not to mention, didn't you initially...and maybe still...believe the Sandy Hook lie?

All speculation, no evidence.

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(05-30-2017 12:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 12:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 11:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 11:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  Trump-Russia story starts to make sense-as a Russian plot, bought hook, line and sinker by US intelligence agencies.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-r...?mod=e2two

"...While the political circus in Washington has focused on purloined Democratic emails and fake news spread during the election by Russian bots, the more effective part of Moscow’s effort may have been planting fake leads to prod U.S. enforcement and intelligence agencies to intervene disruptively in the campaign.

This also should shed new light on today’s anti-Trump leakers in the intelligence agencies: They may be the real unwitting agents of Russian influence.

There are plenty of lessons to go around. Mr. Trump, if he ever really thought Vladimir Putin was his friend, probably has wised up by now. He should have wised up the moment the Steele document came into view, supposedly based on plumbing Mr. Steele’s peerless Russian intelligence contacts. It always appeared possible, even likely, that Mr. Steele was the semi-witting vehicle for Russian rumors designed expressly to undermine Mr. Trump just as Russia was also trying to undermine Mrs. Clinton.

Plenty of people in Washington could also afford to rethink how their partisan idiocy makes them soft touches for such Russian disruption efforts. That includes Rep. Adam Schiff, top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. It includes Mr. Trump too. Overdue is an inquiry into a possible Russian role in flogging the birther conspiracy and the 9/11 truther miasma. Mr. Trump, who loves a conspiracy theory, might consider how he and his ilk showed Russia a vulnerability in American political discourse that it could exploit...."

Just a couple key things to add to all of this.

1. The trump white house, in addition to the IC, is leaking like a sieve.
2. What explains all the contacts with Russians by members of team trump and why did so many of them either choose to or forget to disclose the contacts on their various disclosure forms?

And finally, regardless of whether any collusion is ever found, trump may have still cooked his own goose by refusing to confront and condemn Russia on their actions and/or by trying to shut down or otherwise interfere with investigations.

Condemn Russia for what actions, exactly?

Seriously?

Planting fake info...bots...hacking into campaign computers...wikileaks...etc. Seriously dude?

All of that info, and not once did you mention Seth Rich.

Nor did I mention the air-speed of an unladen swallow, African or European!

The Red Scare is simply viral marketing by military contractors. Progressives are just useful idiots for the new wave of Halliburtons.

Quote:The escalating anti-Russian rhetoric in the U.S. presidential campaign comes in the midst of a major push by military contractors to position Moscow as a potent enemy that must be countered with a drastic increase in military spending by NATO countries.

Weapon makers have told investors that they are relying on tensions with Russia to fuel new business in the wake of Russian’s annexation of Crimea and modest increases in its military budget.

In particular, the arms industry — both directly and through its arsenal of hired-gun, think-tank experts and lobbyists – is actively pressuring NATO member nations to hike defense spending in line with the NATO goal for member states to spend at least 2 percent of gross domestic product on defense.

Retired Army Gen. Richard Cody, a vice president at L-3 Communications, the seventh largest U.S. defense contractor, explained to shareholders in December that the industry was faced with a historic opportunity. Following the end of the Cold War, Cody said, peace had “pretty much broken out all over the world,” with Russia in decline and NATO nations celebrating. “The Wall came down,” he said, and “all defense budgets went south.”

Now, Cody argued, Russia “is resurgent” around the world, putting pressure on U.S. allies. “Nations that belong to NATO are supposed to spend 2 percent of their GDP on defense,” he said, according to a transcript of his remarks. “We know that uptick is coming and so we postured ourselves for it.”

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/19/nato...-industry/

(05-29-2017 04:25 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 11:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Democrats basically went all in on the Trump-Russia collusion story. If in fact that story line were to prove true then republicans would be damaged, perhaps irreparably, for a long time.

But what if it doesn't prove true? How much will democrats be damaged? How will they, and their cheerleaders in the MSM, deal with that? What if the leak turns out to be Seth Rich? What if it further turns out that democrat leadership actually had some role, or potential role, in his death? What then happens to democrats?

Bottom line: Depending on how things turn out, we could be witnessing the death of one or the other of our two major political parties. What's uncertain at this point is which one.

If only there were a scenario where they would both go away.

Can we somehow spin this and kill both parties? I vote for that ending.

8 years too late