2 years in Starkville. 30-33 overall, 13-23 in the SEC.

All that recruiting buzz...

Malik Newman, 5-star. Gone.
Mario Kegler, 4-star. Gone.
Eli Wright, 4-star. Gone.
Garrison Brooks, 4-star commit. Gone.



Thought he was gonna return State basketball back to prominence (not being sarcastic) ... not looking good.

(05-27-2017 01:52 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  2 years in Starkville. 30-33 overall, 13-23 in the SEC.

All that recruiting buzz...

Malik Newman, 5-star. Gone.
Mario Kegler, 4-star. Gone.
Eli Wright, 4-star. Gone.
Garrison Brooks, 4-star commit. Gone.



Thought he was gonna return State basketball back to prominence (not being sarcastic) ... not looking good.

He can recruit, he's just a terrible coach with a terrible system.

The guy got blown out by us in the final 4 with Westbrook, Love, Collison,, Mbah a Moute. 2 NBA stars and 2 legit nba players. He had so much talent that underperformed

(05-27-2017 07:36 AM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-27-2017 01:52 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  2 years in Starkville. 30-33 overall, 13-23 in the SEC.

All that recruiting buzz...

Malik Newman, 5-star. Gone.
Mario Kegler, 4-star. Gone.
Eli Wright, 4-star. Gone.
Garrison Brooks, 4-star commit. Gone.



Thought he was gonna return State basketball back to prominence (not being sarcastic) ... not looking good.

He can recruit, he's just a terrible coach with a terrible system.

The guy got blown out by us in the final 4 with Westbrook, Love, Collison,, Mbah a Moute. 2 NBA stars and 2 legit nba players. He had so much talent that underperformed

One of my favorite tiger memories!

(05-27-2017 07:36 AM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-27-2017 01:52 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  2 years in Starkville. 30-33 overall, 13-23 in the SEC.

All that recruiting buzz...

Malik Newman, 5-star. Gone.
Mario Kegler, 4-star. Gone.
Eli Wright, 4-star. Gone.
Garrison Brooks, 4-star commit. Gone.



Thought he was gonna return State basketball back to prominence (not being sarcastic) ... not looking good.

He can recruit, he's just a terrible coach with a terrible system.

The guy got blown out by us in the final 4 with Westbrook, Love, Collison,, Mbah a Moute. 2 NBA stars and 2 legit nba players. He had so much talent that underperformed

Coaches that play a slow style get a pass for sucking at coaching longer than coached that allow a fast pace.

(05-27-2017 11:31 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(05-27-2017 07:36 AM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-27-2017 01:52 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  2 years in Starkville. 30-33 overall, 13-23 in the SEC.

All that recruiting buzz...

Malik Newman, 5-star. Gone.
Mario Kegler, 4-star. Gone.
Eli Wright, 4-star. Gone.
Garrison Brooks, 4-star commit. Gone.



Thought he was gonna return State basketball back to prominence (not being sarcastic) ... not looking good.

He can recruit, he's just a terrible coach with a terrible system.

The guy got blown out by us in the final 4 with Westbrook, Love, Collison,, Mbah a Moute. 2 NBA stars and 2 legit nba players. He had so much talent that underperformed

Coaches that play a slow style get a pass for sucking at coaching longer than coached that allow a fast pace.

Dudes playing style is just boring...Surprised he was able to land the kids he did at MSU after that was known unless he was still selling the I took Westbrook from nothing to the NBA lottery story.

Look at Howland's career arc. Years 1-2 have not been great at any of his stops but year 3 is when the jump is made.

As for the transfers, that just what college basketball is now. There are over 800 kids transferring this year alone.

The Garrison Brooks situation is different though. He wanted to be at MSU with his dad but mom would absolutely not allow it.

When Cal first got her he played the lower scoring defensive type games. Then changed when he started getting real talent.

(05-27-2017 01:52 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Mario Kegler, 4-star. Gone.
Eli Wright, 4-star. Gone.

Wright is staying and Kegler is not a done deal yet.

Kegler to Baylor. This was predictable.

This hire doesn't seem to be working out like I thought it would for State.

It's been 2 years.

(06-19-2017 11:12 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  It's been 2 years.

A crappy 2 years and all his talent is bolting. Like I said, it's not going how I thought it would. I thought he'd have State competing at the top of the SEC by Year 3.

The game has passed him by.

(06-19-2017 11:00 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:12 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  It's been 2 years.

A crappy 2 years and all his talent is bolting. Like I said, it's not going how I thought it would. I thought he'd have State competing at the top of the SEC by Year 3.

2 players have left. I would hardly say all his talent is bolting.

I'll post this again since you don't seem to understand. Every stop Howland has made year 3 is the jump. If we don't improve this year, I'll start to worry.

1994–95 Northern Arizona 9–17 4–10 7th
1995–96 Northern Arizona 7–19 3–11 7th
1996–97 Northern Arizona 21–7 13–1 1st NIT First Round

1999–00 Pittsburgh 13–15 5–11 11th
2000–01 Pittsburgh 19–14 7–9 5th (West) NIT Second Round
2001–02 Pittsburgh 29–6 13–3 1st (West) NCAA Sweet Sixteen

2003–04 UCLA 11–17 7–11 T–7th
2004–05 UCLA 18–11 11–7 T–3rd NCAA Round of 64
2005–06 UCLA 32–7 14–4 1st NCAA Runner-up

2015–16 Mississippi State 14–17 7–11 11th
2016–17 Mississippi State 16–16 6–12 12th

(06-20-2017 07:22 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:00 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:12 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  It's been 2 years.

A crappy 2 years and all his talent is bolting. Like I said, it's not going how I thought it would. I thought he'd have State competing at the top of the SEC by Year 3.

2 players have left. I would hardly say all his talent is bolting.

I'll post this again since you don't seem to understand. Every stop Howland has made year 3 is the jump. If we don't improve this year, I'll start to worry.

1994–95 Northern Arizona 9–17 4–10 7th
1995–96 Northern Arizona 7–19 3–11 7th
1996–97 Northern Arizona 21–7 13–1 1st NIT First Round

1999–00 Pittsburgh 13–15 5–11 11th
2000–01 Pittsburgh 19–14 7–9 5th (West) NIT Second Round
2001–02 Pittsburgh 29–6 13–3 1st (West) NCAA Sweet Sixteen

2003–04 UCLA 11–17 7–11 T–7th
2004–05 UCLA 18–11 11–7 T–3rd NCAA Round of 64
2005–06 UCLA 32–7 14–4 1st NCAA Runner-up

2015–16 Mississippi State 14–17 7–11 11th
2016–17 Mississippi State 16–16 6–12 12th

We judge basketball coaches different around here.

(06-20-2017 07:22 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:00 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:12 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  It's been 2 years.

A crappy 2 years and all his talent is bolting. Like I said, it's not going how I thought it would. I thought he'd have State competing at the top of the SEC by Year 3.

2 players have left. I would hardly say all his talent is bolting.

I'll post this again since you don't seem to understand. Every stop Howland has made year 3 is the jump. If we don't improve this year, I'll start to worry.

1994–95 Northern Arizona 9–17 4–10 7th
1995–96 Northern Arizona 7–19 3–11 7th
1996–97 Northern Arizona 21–7 13–1 1st NIT First Round

1999–00 Pittsburgh 13–15 5–11 11th
2000–01 Pittsburgh 19–14 7–9 5th (West) NIT Second Round
2001–02 Pittsburgh 29–6 13–3 1st (West) NCAA Sweet Sixteen

2003–04 UCLA 11–17 7–11 T–7th
2004–05 UCLA 18–11 11–7 T–3rd NCAA Round of 64
2005–06 UCLA 32–7 14–4 1st NCAA Runner-up

2015–16 Mississippi State 14–17 7–11 11th
2016–17 Mississippi State 16–16 6–12 12th

We'll see how Year 3 goes. If you think it's looking promising, then more power to ya. And I don't mean anything by that...like I said, I expected him to make noise there.

(06-20-2017 09:00 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 07:22 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:00 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:12 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  It's been 2 years.

A crappy 2 years and all his talent is bolting. Like I said, it's not going how I thought it would. I thought he'd have State competing at the top of the SEC by Year 3.

2 players have left. I would hardly say all his talent is bolting.

I'll post this again since you don't seem to understand. Every stop Howland has made year 3 is the jump. If we don't improve this year, I'll start to worry.

1994–95 Northern Arizona 9–17 4–10 7th
1995–96 Northern Arizona 7–19 3–11 7th
1996–97 Northern Arizona 21–7 13–1 1st NIT First Round

1999–00 Pittsburgh 13–15 5–11 11th
2000–01 Pittsburgh 19–14 7–9 5th (West) NIT Second Round
2001–02 Pittsburgh 29–6 13–3 1st (West) NCAA Sweet Sixteen

2003–04 UCLA 11–17 7–11 T–7th
2004–05 UCLA 18–11 11–7 T–3rd NCAA Round of 64
2005–06 UCLA 32–7 14–4 1st NCAA Runner-up

2015–16 Mississippi State 14–17 7–11 11th
2016–17 Mississippi State 16–16 6–12 12th

We'll see how Year 3 goes. If you think it's looking promising, then more power to ya. And I don't mean anything by that...like I said, I expected him to make noise there.

You Ole Miss fanhood is showing on the Memphis message board.

(06-21-2017 08:16 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 09:00 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 07:22 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:00 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:12 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  It's been 2 years.

A crappy 2 years and all his talent is bolting. Like I said, it's not going how I thought it would. I thought he'd have State competing at the top of the SEC by Year 3.

2 players have left. I would hardly say all his talent is bolting.

I'll post this again since you don't seem to understand. Every stop Howland has made year 3 is the jump. If we don't improve this year, I'll start to worry.

1994–95 Northern Arizona 9–17 4–10 7th
1995–96 Northern Arizona 7–19 3–11 7th
1996–97 Northern Arizona 21–7 13–1 1st NIT First Round

1999–00 Pittsburgh 13–15 5–11 11th
2000–01 Pittsburgh 19–14 7–9 5th (West) NIT Second Round
2001–02 Pittsburgh 29–6 13–3 1st (West) NCAA Sweet Sixteen

2003–04 UCLA 11–17 7–11 T–7th
2004–05 UCLA 18–11 11–7 T–3rd NCAA Round of 64
2005–06 UCLA 32–7 14–4 1st NCAA Runner-up

2015–16 Mississippi State 14–17 7–11 11th
2016–17 Mississippi State 16–16 6–12 12th

We'll see how Year 3 goes. If you think it's looking promising, then more power to ya. And I don't mean anything by that...like I said, I expected him to make noise there.

You Ole Miss fanhood is showing on the Memphis message board.

Don't care about ole miss basketball therefore I don't care about state basketball.

I thought Howland was a solid hire. He started making noise on the recruiting trail and I thought that it wouldn't be long until he got things going. Since then his teams have been absolutely terrible, his 2 best recruits has left the program, his best incoming freshman this year never made it, just not what I expected.

If people wanna hang their hat on what he's done at previous stops in Year 3, then I assume they also have no worries about Tubby/Memphis.

(06-21-2017 09:13 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 08:16 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 09:00 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 07:22 AM)bsp34 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:00 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  A crappy 2 years and all his talent is bolting. Like I said, it's not going how I thought it would. I thought he'd have State competing at the top of the SEC by Year 3.

2 players have left. I would hardly say all his talent is bolting.

I'll post this again since you don't seem to understand. Every stop Howland has made year 3 is the jump. If we don't improve this year, I'll start to worry.

1994–95 Northern Arizona 9–17 4–10 7th
1995–96 Northern Arizona 7–19 3–11 7th
1996–97 Northern Arizona 21–7 13–1 1st NIT First Round

1999–00 Pittsburgh 13–15 5–11 11th
2000–01 Pittsburgh 19–14 7–9 5th (West) NIT Second Round
2001–02 Pittsburgh 29–6 13–3 1st (West) NCAA Sweet Sixteen

2003–04 UCLA 11–17 7–11 T–7th
2004–05 UCLA 18–11 11–7 T–3rd NCAA Round of 64
2005–06 UCLA 32–7 14–4 1st NCAA Runner-up

2015–16 Mississippi State 14–17 7–11 11th
2016–17 Mississippi State 16–16 6–12 12th

We'll see how Year 3 goes. If you think it's looking promising, then more power to ya. And I don't mean anything by that...like I said, I expected him to make noise there.

You Ole Miss fanhood is showing on the Memphis message board.

Don't care about ole miss basketball therefore I don't care about state basketball.

I thought Howland was a solid hire. He started making noise on the recruiting trail and I thought that it wouldn't be long until he got things going. Since then his teams have been absolutely terrible, his 2 best recruits has left the program, his best incoming freshman this year never made it, just not what I expected.

If people wanna hang their hat on what he's done at previous stops in Year 3, then I assume they also have no worries about Tubby/Memphis.

Yeah, my initial thought at Howland's hiring was "Uh Oh, look out for Mississippi State". It might happen, but the clock is ticking.

(06-21-2017 09:13 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  his best incoming freshman this year never made it

What's this secret info you have on Nick Weatherspoon?