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(05-26-2017 07:44 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Agreed.. holy mackerel hat home schedule looks bad for BYU... When was the N.Ill matchup agreed to? When was the Utah State one agreed to?

Did someone at BYU pick them when they had their good years, and caught them on the down side? Or were those recent agreements?

Utah State is an annual game with an in-state rival which currently runs through 2020. USU already indicated they would take a 1 year break from the series so that they don't have BYU and Boise State at home the same year. That would help ticket sales in all years since both teams' fans travel well to Logan. The next series would be expected to begin in 2022 assuming terms get ironed out.

Northern Illinois was signed back in 2014 which was about the time their record began to dip. The release says:
NIU has won at least 11 games in each of the past four seasons while compiling a 46-10 record and capturing four-straight MAC West titles. But who knows what kind of teams will be there in 2018.
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(05-25-2017 08:39 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 07:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 06:00 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  2019 and 2020 are a little better, but they're overly heavy on road games. And if you think 2018's schedule is bad, look at 2022:

No doubt 2018 is a lame home schedule, but would it be any better in the MWC? Frankly, it's pretty similar to what BYU saw pre-2011 in the WAC and MWC every other year (when the Utah game was in SLC).

Utah St., Hawaii, NIU (as good as many MWC games) and P5 Cal.

But, to say that 2019 and 2020 are a *little better* makes obvious troll obvious.

2019: Utah, USC, Washington, Boise St.
2020: Michigan St., Missouri, SDSU, Utah St.
2021: Utah, Arizona St., Virginia, Boise St. (and Arizona in Vegas - part of BYU's home package)

I'll take a stinker schedule every once in a while if it means more frequent schedules like 2019, 2020, and 2021 - see also- 2023 and 2025:
- Tennessee, Stanford, Boise St. (and likely Utah)
- Stanford, Minnesota, Virginia, (and likely Utah)

And, tons of quality road games for BYU's national fan base, where fans and alumni throughout the country actually attend games - go ask Arizona, WVU, Cincinnati, Houston, etc. how many BYU fans were at their games.

You quoted the most insignificant part of my post. The point behind that sentence is that the 2019-20-21 schedules are pretty much full and they're already short on home games.

Maybe you'll take a "stinker schedule every once in a while," but my guess is that most casual fans will not. That will impact the season ticket base.

And all that travel takes a big toll on your players - how good will they perform when they've traveled cross-country 3 weekends in a row and they're facing a fresh team that hasn't left its state in a month? It will impact the win-loss record, without a doubt.

2019 has 6 home games. 2020 and 2021 are full of *quality* home games - each season, BYU just needs one more G5 opponent and the FCS payday game. Easy.

The season ticket base for 2018 will definitely take a hit...meanwhile, BYU fans will enjoy games in Arizona, Wisconsin, Washington, Idaho, and Massachusetts. Then, season tickets will reach all-time highs for 2019, 2020, and 2021.

The travel thing is an issue and already affects BYU's win-loss record - basically par for the course since independence - by design.

2016 - BYU played in Arizona, Maryland, Michigan, Idaho, and Ohio.
2015 - Nebraska, California, Michigan, California (again) and Missouri.
2014 - Connecticut, Texas, Florida, Idaho, Tennessee, and California.
2013 - Virginia, Texas, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Nevada.
2012 - Idaho, Indiana, Georgia, California, New Mexico
2011 - Mississippi, Texas, Oregon, Texas (again), Hawaii
Bowl games in this span in: California(x3), Texas, Florida, and Las Vegas
2017 is no exception - Texas, Mississippi, North Carolina, California, Nevada and Hawaii.

Going on 6 years now, BYU usually plays in every timezone during the regular season..by design. This year, we throw in Hawaii timezone too! And BYU fans throughout the nation love it, despite only 8 or 9 wins the last several seasons.
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This thread belongs in the Thread Hijacking Hall of Fame.

The OP is talking about NMSU hopefully getting home games as an indy, but starting with post #3, that topic is gone.
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(05-26-2017 12:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  This thread belongs in the Thread Hijacking Hall of Fame.

The OP is talking about NMSU hopefully getting home games as an indy, but starting with post #3, that topic is gone.

Kind of--it is really about if BYU would return a game in the future as this announcement is a single road game. Kudos to YNot for keeping it on topic though:

(05-25-2017 07:23 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 05:17 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.fbschedules.com/2017/05/byu-a...-schedule/

Hopefully they can get a return game in the future to help them as an independent.

BYU is paying NMSU a $700K guarantee, so I doubt there is a return game. Though, I could see essentially a 2-for-1, with a H-H announced at some time later.

But on the 2018 New Mexico State home game topic, their current home schedule has Wyoming, Liberty, Georgia Southern, and New Mexico. But games are getting scarce for 2018. When I was wondering about who BYU might add I only came up with these potential teams who could add a road game (in theory): Syracuse, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, UCF, Oklahoma State, and FIU (can't do UTEP since they are already on the schedule). But if they get one of those and an FCS game they have a full 6 game home schedule.
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(05-25-2017 11:15 PM)f1do Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 08:39 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  You quoted the most insignificant part of my post. The point behind that sentence is that the 2019-20-21 schedules are pretty much full and they're already short on home games.

Maybe you'll take a "stinker schedule every once in a while," but my guess is that most casual fans will not. That will impact the season ticket base.

And all that travel takes a big toll on your players - how good will they perform when they've traveled cross-country 3 weekends in a row and they're facing a fresh team that hasn't left its state in a month? It will impact the win-loss record, without a doubt.
I agree that the 2018 home schedule won't be as exciting as the years around it. What would really be a problem is a couple "down" home schedules in a row.

BYU has been fairly steady in attendance in recent years:
2014 - 57,141 avg with Houston, Virginia, Utah St, Nevada, UNLV, Savannah St
2015 - 58,532 avg with Boise St, UConn, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Wagner, Fresno St
2016 - 58,568 avg with UCLA, Toledo, Mississippi St, Southern Utah, UMass, Utah St

I don't think the worry of 3 "cross-country" weekends in a row is valid. It never happens. Here is a look at "cross-country" games since going indy (west coast games not counted as "cross-country"):
2011:
Sept 3: Ole Miss
Sep 10: Texas

Oct 28: TCU
Dec 3: Hawaii

2012:
Oct 20: Notre Dame
Oct 27: Georgia Tech


2013:
Aug 31: Virginia
Oct 19: Houston
Nov 9: Wisconsin
Nov 23: Notre Dame

2014:
Aug 29: UConn
Sep 6: Texas

Oct 9: UCF
Nov 1: Middle Tennessee St

2015:
Sept 5: Nebraska
Sep 26: Michigan
Nov 14: Missouri (in Kansas City)

2016:
Sept 24: West Virginia (in Landover)
Oct 8: Michigan State
Nov 5: Cincinnati

2017:
Sept 2: LSU (in Houston)
Oct 14: Mississippi St
Oct 21: East Carolina

Nov 25: Hawaii

2018:
Sept 15: Wisconsin
Nov 10: UMass

2019:
Sept 7: Tennessee
Sep 28: Toledo
Nov 23: UMass

2020:
Sep 26: Minnesota
Oct 24: Northern Illinois

2021:
Sept 25: USF
TBA: Baylor

2022:
Oct 22: Liberty

2014 was famously "cross-country" on the road games adding their bowl game in Miami to the ones listed above. But there has only been or is scheduled 4 back-to-back weekend "cross-country" games over that 12 year span and never a back-to-back-to-back.

You can nitpick at my words if you want. But 2017 is going to be brutal: Starting Sept 29th there's 9 games in a row without an off week. It includes:

1) @Utah State (Sept 29th)
2) Boise
3) @ Mississippi State - the week after MSU's off week
4) @ ECU - back-to-back cross country flights, ECU's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
5) SJSU
6) @ Fresno - Fresno's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
7) @ UNLV - Friday game, UNLV's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
8) UMass
9) @ Hawai'i - Thanksgiving weekend - Hawai'i will only have traveled twice in the last 7 weeks, while BYU will be on their 5th road game in 7 weeks.

Some folks don't mind constant traveling. But it wipes other guys out. I don't care how bad Hawai'i is this year, it'll be a miracle if BYU beats them.

You're right that 2018 & 2019 don't look that bad. But 2020 and 2022 could be just as bad as 2017 (there's still a lot of games left to schedule).
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(05-26-2017 12:39 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  You can nitpick at my words if you want. But 2017 is going to be brutal: Starting Sept 29th there's 9 games in a row without an off week. It includes:

1) @Utah State (Sept 29th)
2) Boise
3) @ Mississippi State - the week after MSU's off week
4) @ ECU - back-to-back cross country flights, ECU's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
5) SJSU
6) @ Fresno - Fresno's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
7) @ UNLV - Friday game, UNLV's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
8) UMass
9) @ Hawai'i - Thanksgiving weekend - Hawai'i will only have traveled twice in the last 7 weeks, while BYU will be on their 5th road game in 7 weeks.

Some folks don't mind constant traveling. But it wipes other guys out. I don't care how bad Hawai'i is this year, it'll be a miracle if BYU beats them.

You're right that 2018 & 2019 don't look that bad. But 2020 and 2022 could be just as bad as 2017 (there's still a lot of games left to schedule).

Doesn't really look that bad to me.

USU is a bus trip and a game that should end by 9:30 local time (MT). The players will be back in Provo at a reasonable hour and will get just as much sleep on that Friday night as a typical college kid gets on a Friday night.

In the 4 weeks preceding the Hawaii game, they play at Fresno and at UNLV, but Fresno is only a 500-mile plane trip. UNLV is less. These games shouldn't have TOO much long-term effect.

Miss State and ECU are long road trips, yes. ECU - a legitimate cross-country trip after a previous long trip east the weekend before - is the only one BYU where I think travel (and aggregate long-term travel) will play a factor.
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One thing I also find interesting, I will usually post matchup announcements on this board. Even more so for the new independents. Funny, those who complained that Independent scheduling doesn't need a thread opened have yet to complain about this NMSU thread. Kinda makes me wonder if their reasons they were upset had anything to do with football. I hope there will be more scheduling announcements that can be posted for NMSU as well for any other schools!
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(05-26-2017 12:39 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  You can nitpick at my words if you want. But 2017 is going to be brutal: Starting Sept 29th there's 9 games in a row without an off week. It includes:

1) @Utah State (Sept 29th)
2) Boise
3) @ Mississippi State - the week after MSU's off week
4) @ ECU - back-to-back cross country flights, ECU's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
5) SJSU
6) @ Fresno - Fresno's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
7) @ UNLV - Friday game, UNLV's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
8) UMass
9) @ Hawai'i - Thanksgiving weekend - Hawai'i will only have traveled twice in the last 7 weeks, while BYU will be on their 5th road game in 7 weeks.

Some folks don't mind constant traveling. But it wipes other guys out. I don't care how bad Hawai'i is this year, it'll be a miracle if BYU beats them.

You're right that 2018 & 2019 don't look that bad. But 2020 and 2022 could be just as bad as 2017 (there's still a lot of games left to schedule).
Wow...not sure why you react so defensively. I didn't agree with everything you said but wasn't on the attack either. Saying that if BYU beats Hawai'i it will be a "miracle"? Come on...that's nonsense. I do hope Hawai'i continues to improve and the game is competitive though.

For me BYU's travel for 2017 breaks into 4 segments:
1) Home sweet home: BYU leaves the state of Utah once in the first 7 weeks of the season (to play LSU in Houston), playing 4 home games, a bye week, and at Utah State which is at most a 2 hour bus ride (do the busses go through Sardine Canyon or go around the mountains?).
2) Racking up the FF miles: Back to back trips out to Mississippi St and ECU will be tough.
3) Don't go far: Short plane rides to Fresno and Las Vegas book-ended by home games. Though this is a little tougher because the UNLV game is on a Friday after playing Saturday against Fresno St the previous week (5 prep days because the team takes Sunday off).
4) Aloha: A long trip to Hawai'i is never easy. But Hawai'i will have already had 6 long plane rides of their own to Massachusetts, California, Wyoming, Nevada (twice), and Utah (USU) the week before the BYU game.
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(05-26-2017 05:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  
(05-26-2017 12:39 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  You can nitpick at my words if you want. But 2017 is going to be brutal: Starting Sept 29th there's 9 games in a row without an off week. It includes:

1) @Utah State (Sept 29th)
2) Boise
3) @ Mississippi State - the week after MSU's off week
4) @ ECU - back-to-back cross country flights, ECU's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
5) SJSU
6) @ Fresno - Fresno's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
7) @ UNLV - Friday game, UNLV's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
8) UMass
9) @ Hawai'i - Thanksgiving weekend - Hawai'i will only have traveled twice in the last 7 weeks, while BYU will be on their 5th road game in 7 weeks.

Some folks don't mind constant traveling. But it wipes other guys out. I don't care how bad Hawai'i is this year, it'll be a miracle if BYU beats them.

You're right that 2018 & 2019 don't look that bad. But 2020 and 2022 could be just as bad as 2017 (there's still a lot of games left to schedule).
Wow...not sure why you react so defensively. I didn't agree with everything you said but wasn't on the attack either. Saying that if BYU beats Hawai'i it will be a "miracle"? Come on...that's nonsense. I do hope Hawai'i continues to improve and the game is competitive though.

For me BYU's travel for 2017 breaks into 4 segments:
1) Home sweet home: BYU leaves the state of Utah once in the first 7 weeks of the season (to play LSU in Houston), playing 4 home games, a bye week, and at Utah State which is at most a 2 hour bus ride (do the busses go through Sardine Canyon or go around the mountains?).
2) Racking up the FF miles: Back to back trips out to Mississippi St and ECU will be tough.
3) Don't go far: Short plane rides to Fresno and Las Vegas book-ended by home games. Though this is a little tougher because the UNLV game is on a Friday after playing Saturday against Fresno St the previous week (5 prep days because the team takes Sunday off).
4) Aloha: A long trip to Hawai'i is never easy. But Hawai'i will have already had 6 long plane rides of their own to Massachusetts, California, Wyoming, Nevada (twice), and Utah (USU) the week before the BYU game.

I hope you guys do well - I really do.

I just doubt it will happen with the way your AD arranged the schedule. It's not completely the AD's fault, but I've seen too many teams collapse due to unfavorable travel schedules. You can get away with it in basketball where it's all about athleticism. But repeated travel screws up your timing, and in football timing is everything.

You know you're in trouble when you consider 500 miles to be a "short" trip (consider - Cincinnati is close to 500 miles from Toronto, the Gulf of Mexico, Manhattan NY, and Manhattan KS).
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(05-26-2017 06:31 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-26-2017 05:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  
(05-26-2017 12:39 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  You can nitpick at my words if you want. But 2017 is going to be brutal: Starting Sept 29th there's 9 games in a row without an off week. It includes:

1) @Utah State (Sept 29th)
2) Boise
3) @ Mississippi State - the week after MSU's off week
4) @ ECU - back-to-back cross country flights, ECU's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
5) SJSU
6) @ Fresno - Fresno's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
7) @ UNLV - Friday game, UNLV's 3rd home game in 4 weeks
8) UMass
9) @ Hawai'i - Thanksgiving weekend - Hawai'i will only have traveled twice in the last 7 weeks, while BYU will be on their 5th road game in 7 weeks.

Some folks don't mind constant traveling. But it wipes other guys out. I don't care how bad Hawai'i is this year, it'll be a miracle if BYU beats them.

You're right that 2018 & 2019 don't look that bad. But 2020 and 2022 could be just as bad as 2017 (there's still a lot of games left to schedule).
Wow...not sure why you react so defensively. I didn't agree with everything you said but wasn't on the attack either. Saying that if BYU beats Hawai'i it will be a "miracle"? Come on...that's nonsense. I do hope Hawai'i continues to improve and the game is competitive though.

For me BYU's travel for 2017 breaks into 4 segments:
1) Home sweet home: BYU leaves the state of Utah once in the first 7 weeks of the season (to play LSU in Houston), playing 4 home games, a bye week, and at Utah State which is at most a 2 hour bus ride (do the busses go through Sardine Canyon or go around the mountains?).
2) Racking up the FF miles: Back to back trips out to Mississippi St and ECU will be tough.
3) Don't go far: Short plane rides to Fresno and Las Vegas book-ended by home games. Though this is a little tougher because the UNLV game is on a Friday after playing Saturday against Fresno St the previous week (5 prep days because the team takes Sunday off).
4) Aloha: A long trip to Hawai'i is never easy. But Hawai'i will have already had 6 long plane rides of their own to Massachusetts, California, Wyoming, Nevada (twice), and Utah (USU) the week before the BYU game.

I hope you guys do well - I really do.

I just doubt it will happen with the way your AD arranged the schedule. It's not completely the AD's fault, but I've seen too many teams collapse due to unfavorable travel schedules. You can get away with it in basketball where it's all about athleticism. But repeated travel screws up your timing, and in football timing is everything.

You know you're in trouble when you consider 500 miles to be a "short" trip (consider - Cincinnati is close to 500 miles from Toronto, the Gulf of Mexico, Manhattan NY, and Manhattan KS).

Welcome to the western US. 500 miles is practically a day trip.
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I live in Logan and yes we have electricity and a very good road system so the zoobs will not have to go around Sardine Canyon, it is a little over 2 hours to Logan from BYU-Utah.


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(05-26-2017 11:05 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  I live in Logan and yes we have electricity and a very good road system so the zoobs will not have to go around Sardine Canyon, it is a little over 2 hours to Logan from BYU-Utah.


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What I meant was in buses full of football players is it faster to stay on I-15 past Garland and come into Logan on 200 North so they avoid the big climbs in the canyon--though that is the far less scenic route.
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No, hwy 30 is a narrow 2 lane road from the interstate till you hit town, Sardine is an easy climb unless there is a blizzard. You must be from this area, as you know our geography well.


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(05-27-2017 01:27 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  No, hwy 30 is a narrow 2 lane road from the interstate till you hit town, Sardine is an easy climb unless there is a blizzard. You must be from this area, as you know our geography well.


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You're almost a local.


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