Alright. I get it, you don't like the P5/G5 split if for no other reason than optics. Fine.


Here's the problem: It is unpleasant to sort through and find stuff specifically relevant to your school if you're in a P5 conference. As a result, the number of P5 posters on this board has slowly withered away. So SOMETHING has to be done to allow people to sort and find stuff relevant TO THEM. Because I'm bogged down on other projects, Aurora simply won't be ready by August 1st. And I'm probably not ballsy enough to switch forum software right in the middle of football and/or basketball season. So that means if I can't get it out the door before the last week of August (which is probably fairly likely the case) then I can't really launch until after March Madness at the earliest (and I can already hear the Rice fans now going "YOU'RE DOING THIS DURING BASEBALL?!" ... so really... maybe we're talking July of NEXT year at that point). So waiting for subtopic filtering in Aurora isn't really an option either. That will be an entire whole 'nother year where P5 fans attrition out of this board because they cannot readily find content specific to them.



Now I'm open to suggestions you may have to address this. But something has got to give. Right now the plurality within the mod team thinks the path of least resistance is to just create a P5 subforum, move any P5 specific threads into it, and then call that job done with no other changes. Without forum feature support to assist, the only way to try to filter right now is to have a "convention" where people prefix "P5: Thread title here" or something like that. And I cannot imagine everybody following such a rule or even bothering to check if one exists. We can also split for now and then try to bring them back together when Aurora is in place. Some posters have indicated they're OK with that, but frankly I think most are too busy raising a stink to have even read my post where I explained that ( http://csnbbs.com/thread-818334-post-143...id14353904 ).



So ... how are we going to square this circle? Which solution above, if any, sounds good to you?

I don't really see the problem. Is it that some P5 posters don't want to see G5, FCS, non-football DI, D2, etc. school threads mixed in with theirs?

Why not split the general sports talk and realignment into separate boards?

Questions:

I think creating a P5 sub forum for threads would be fine - but does that include realignment threads?

The bigger issue, IMHO is the devolving of topics into pissing matches that have nothing to do with the thread. Not sure if that will be solved with a split or subforum

(05-25-2017 05:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The bigger issue, IMHO is the devolving of topics into pissing matches that have nothing to do with the thread. Not sure if that will be solved with a split or subforum

That's why as part of reorg we are going to bring on more mods, and specifically more G5 AND P5 mods to have a better spread all around.

(05-25-2017 05:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Questions:

I think creating a P5 sub forum for threads would be fine - but does that include realignment threads?

The bigger issue, IMHO is the devolving of topics into pissing matches that have nothing to do with the thread. Not sure if that will be solved with a split or subforum

I doubt any split is going to stop that. No one can mention Liberty without some nut going political. Or some AAC fans will complaing it should be a P6 group because the aren't P5. Sadly. that will never be ended. I actually enjoyed these boards because it provided information about what was happening in FBS and Basketball. I would be for suspending users to banning users who bring on non sports views to the topic. I know that would prevent me from responsding to some of these comments. I think there a clear examples of those who will bring in views or response to views. I will say I am guilty to responding or failing for the bait.

I get the separation of P5/G5 topics, but what becomes of Big East topics? Would we (and A-10, MVC, etc.) be are own group? We are not P5, but we are certainly not G5 either.

Any re-alignment thread should be in a separate sub forum.That would give enough space and clean up clutter---probably.Try it for two weeks.If it doesn't work try something else.

Creating a general P5 board sounds like the best option. That way the realignment board stays as is, which seems to be the majority preference. Maybe play with the mod P5/G5 distribution if you think its appropriate.

I think part of the problem with the number of P5 posters is this site is competing against P5 sites that produce P5 content. There's just a lot more choices for P5 fans. I wonder if there might be some people that would be interested in creating some sort of daily/weekly blog pinned to the new P5 board that might attract new users to the site. Maybe some volunteers (like Frank the Tank, fo instance) might be interested in writing a short weekly piece--or maybe you could have a rotating group of guys do it. Just an idea.

(05-25-2017 05:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Creating a general P5 board sounds like the best option. That way the realignment board stays as is, which seems to be the majority preference. Maybe play with the mod P5/G5 distribution if you think its appropriate.

I think part of the problem with the number of P5 posters is this site is competing against P5 sites that produce P5 content. There's just a lot more choices for P5 fans. I wonder if there might be some people that would be interested in creating some sort of daily/weekly blog pinned to the new P5 board that might attract new users to the site. Maybe some volunteers (like Frank the Tank, fo instance) might be interested in writing a short weekly piece--or maybe you could have a rotating group of guys do it. Just an idea.

This above is one reason the FCS boards get so much traffic, just not a lot of places to find that type of information.

(05-25-2017 05:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  This above is one reason the FCS boards get so much traffic, just not a lot of places to find that type of information.

There's tons of P5 sites sure. But they're almost all silos. Just this team and nobody else. Wanna talk to somebody else? Different site, another account, another registration, etc.

Part of the reason this site does well is it allows you have "sort of" a silo through subforums .... but everybody is still under one roof with one account and more or less one generic blanket set of rules. Very few people try to do both. The entire reason I helped start the site and continue running it is I like having everybody under one roof with one account and one general set of rules for decorum. It's so much nicer. So much more a community.

So while I get what you're saying and it is technically accurate ... I disagree with the premise when we make the comparison more apples to apples.

(05-25-2017 06:07 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 05:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  This above is one reason the FCS boards get so much traffic, just not a lot of places to find that type of information.

There's tons of P5 sites sure. But they're almost all silos. Just this team and nobody else. Wanna talk to somebody else? Different site, another account, another registration, etc.

Part of the reason this site does well is it allows you have "sort of" a silo through subforums .... but everybody is still under one roof with one account and more or less one generic blanket set of rules. Very few people try to do both. The entire reason I helped start the site and continue running it is I like having everybody under one roof with one account and one general set of rules for decorum. It's so much nicer. So much more a community.

So while I get what you're saying and it is technically accurate ... I disagree with the premise when we make the comparison more apples to apples.

I have a proposal...

How about creating 3 new forums on the main page; an FBS forum, P5 forum, and a G5 forum. The FBS forum can be a place where anyone can from the other two forums can re-post a topic for general debate. I think it would be a fair compromise.

GTS, would this be a possibility?

(05-25-2017 06:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 06:07 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 05:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  This above is one reason the FCS boards get so much traffic, just not a lot of places to find that type of information.

There's tons of P5 sites sure. But they're almost all silos. Just this team and nobody else. Wanna talk to somebody else? Different site, another account, another registration, etc.

Part of the reason this site does well is it allows you have "sort of" a silo through subforums .... but everybody is still under one roof with one account and more or less one generic blanket set of rules. Very few people try to do both. The entire reason I helped start the site and continue running it is I like having everybody under one roof with one account and one general set of rules for decorum. It's so much nicer. So much more a community.

So while I get what you're saying and it is technically accurate ... I disagree with the premise when we make the comparison more apples to apples.

I have a proposal...

How about creating 3 new forums on the main page; an FBS forum, P5 forum, and a G5 forum. The FBS forum can be a place where anyone can from the other two forums can re-post a topic for general debate. I think it would be a fair compromise.

GTS, would this be a possibility?

I've opened up the table for all possibilities. I think where yours will struggle is that many people are going to bristle over there being a G5 and P5 forum, if for no other reason than they don't like the appearance of that and any inferiority, real or imagined, it may imply.

Maybe make a subforum for news for college sports like a thread for arrest blotter thread when a player from a said school gets busted. Schools dropping sports would go in there, but they could be part of realignment discussion as well.

You can't really keep P5/G5/FCS separated for realignment issues. All of them do get mixed into the same news mixed like the Big 12 fiasco chaos last year.

As this forum is about basketball? That is why the G5, FCS and non-football members get talked about more often.

(05-25-2017 06:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 06:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 06:07 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 05:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  This above is one reason the FCS boards get so much traffic, just not a lot of places to find that type of information.

There's tons of P5 sites sure. But they're almost all silos. Just this team and nobody else. Wanna talk to somebody else? Different site, another account, another registration, etc.

Part of the reason this site does well is it allows you have "sort of" a silo through subforums .... but everybody is still under one roof with one account and more or less one generic blanket set of rules. Very few people try to do both. The entire reason I helped start the site and continue running it is I like having everybody under one roof with one account and one general set of rules for decorum. It's so much nicer. So much more a community.

So while I get what you're saying and it is technically accurate ... I disagree with the premise when we make the comparison more apples to apples.

I have a proposal...

How about creating 3 new forums on the main page; an FBS forum, P5 forum, and a G5 forum. The FBS forum can be a place where anyone can from the other two forums can re-post a topic for general debate. I think it would be a fair compromise.

GTS, would this be a possibility?

I've opened up the table for all possibilities. I think where yours will struggle is that many people are going to bristle over there being a G5 and P5 forum, if for no other reason than they don't like the appearance of that and any inferiority, real or imagined, it may imply.

Some people will always look for things to complain about. No matter what you do, some will complain. My proposed set up, would allow for a common forum where all FBS members can discuss topics regardless of whether the subject originated on the P5 or G5 board. A simple copy and re-post.

In this set up, the original topic would still be discussed on its original forum, without the clutter of the other groups posts, while others wishing to comment would still have a voice in the larger conversation as it pertains to the FBS. It isn't perfect but, it I think most would find it more agreeable then a complete split.

(05-25-2017 05:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 05:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The bigger issue, IMHO is the devolving of topics into pissing matches that have nothing to do with the thread. Not sure if that will be solved with a split or subforum

That's why as part of reorg we are going to bring on more mods, and specifically more G5 AND P5 mods to have a better spread all around.

I seem to recall that when Wedge was "handed the keys" I, and others, were told that conference affiliation was not needed. Now it is needed? You could've dealt with this the last time, but noooooooooooooo...

P5 Specific Forum

Conference Realignment Forum

General College Sports Forum

(05-25-2017 07:03 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 05:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-25-2017 05:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The bigger issue, IMHO is the devolving of topics into pissing matches that have nothing to do with the thread. Not sure if that will be solved with a split or subforum

That's why as part of reorg we are going to bring on more mods, and specifically more G5 AND P5 mods to have a better spread all around.

I seem to recall that when Wedge was "handed the keys" I, and others, were told that conference affiliation was not needed. Now it is needed? You could've dealt with this the last time, but noooooooooooooo...

If you're splitting things up it does matter. Different organization, different considerations. So that dog don't hunt. I'm not in the mood for your infinite supply of UCONN butthurt today, so dial it back or I'll punch your ejector seat button.

I'll defer to GTS judgement. He sees a lot of the issues and metrics that we don't.

This site has a lot of P5 posters? Maybe I don't look hard enough, but it seems like a lot of the P5 conference boards are dead, the same with most of their school forums. IF P5's are only actively posting here...

I think at best it should be alignment/realignment and a general sports forum. There isn't a good way to separate a true alignment/realignment thread or article without it involving both and it also is general enough to include FCS, DII, DIII, and whatever call ups more move downs. Topics that cover games themselves, scheduling, sports themselves, tv/media deals ... seem to be fair game for a general forum.

Part of the problem with P5 realignment is that with the exception of the B12 members of the other 4 conferences are all quite content with their landing spots.

In the G5 this is quite different with the majority of schools thinking they could do better. Either better by joining a P5, a different G5 situation or something else like Indy. Almost all are interested in TV deal and budget news because their TV deal and budget sucks.

For the serious realignment poster, moves within non-FBS Division 1 conferences are interesting. The can change the balance of power among mid major conferences and potentially put a few D1 conferences out of business.

DII realignment seems to be more about cost cutting than revenue generation like it is even for moves between low major D1 conferences. Only a few of the most hardcore realignment posters like DavidSt can name more than a handful of DII schools.

Single sport realignment can be interesting when it changes the balance of power in that sport. This is almost always a DI conversation.

Face it the P5 is not that interesting unless a major scandal is hitting to hope its bad enough to get a death penalty. Gawking at the train wreck type of thing.