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I admit that I was not a fan of adding MD and Rut to the BigTen when it happened. I would have prefered Mizzou or Kansas. I also did not like the conference basketball tourney getting moved to the east coast for 2 straight years.

But what's done is done. Like the brother-in-law that married your sister, they are part of the family now. Lets just hope that it works out in the long run.
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A lot of what was said in the article is the truth. There is no denying that. Maryland and Rutgers were add were added due to their markets. Probably the primary reason but not the only reason. The writer is acting like we came in with huge football expectations. You knew what you were getting when you added both schools. Maryland is an average football team historically. Seems like more downs than up recently but historically average. The writer seems to indicate he laments the loss of playing other powerful football teams of the conference. Ok, I understand that. But also don't forget you play Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern. I didn't see anything about who he would have rather had so perhaps it is expansion itself he doesn't like coupled with the the monetary issue. Last thing, he does touch on Maryland having some basketball history but does not talk about any other sport. Maybe the non-revenue sports don't interest him but that is a place where Maryland does fairly well. Lacrosse, soccer, baseball is good right now. Maryland has quite a few conference championship but that doesn't seem to matter.
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The Big Ten is lucky to have Maryland.
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I'm glad the Big Ten added Maryland and Rutgers. It sure beat Missouri, UConn, and Kansas in my opinion.
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I think that, if you asked many Big Ten traditionalist they would have preferred no expansion than Rutger and Maryland (they might even want to go back to the original 10 but that's another story). Rutgers and Maryland were 2 of the best candidates available which met the needs of the conference and had a desire to move.
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Interesting article from a Michigan, meaning hardest of hard core traditional, B1G perspective.

I think he's too pessimistic about Maryland. I can see Maryland football developing positively. Rutgers? They seem hopeless.
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That article is LAME. (but thanks for sharing that)

Amazon Prime will have to pay out the ass to get the Big Ten to give them the 10 best football games.

Content is king. The Big Ten Network has control of the content. Sure, maybe the financial model of cable TV goes away ... but the demand for the content won't suddenly dry up just because cable goes away.
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(05-24-2017 06:09 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  A lot of what was said in the article is the truth. There is no denying that. Maryland and Rutgers were add were added due to their markets. Probably the primary reason but not the only reason. The writer is acting like we came in with huge football expectations. You knew what you were getting when you added both schools. Maryland is an average football team historically. Seems like more downs than up recently but historically average. The writer seems to indicate he laments the loss of playing other powerful football teams of the conference. Ok, I understand that. But also don't forget you play Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern. I didn't see anything about who he would have rather had so perhaps it is expansion itself he doesn't like coupled with the the monetary issue. Last thing, he does touch on Maryland having some basketball history but does not talk about any other sport. Maybe the non-revenue sports don't interest him but that is a place where Maryland does fairly well. Lacrosse, soccer, baseball is good right now. Maryland has quite a few conference championship but that doesn't seem to matter.
Don't forget that when Michigan and Ohio State play at Rutgers and at Maryland it means Mid Atlantic and Northeast are tuning in to B1G.

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I am one of those "Big Ten Tradiotionalist" and I honestly have no problem at all with the addition of these two schools. They are both great universities!

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(05-24-2017 09:59 PM)cubucks Wrote:  I am one of those "Big Ten Tradiotionalist" and I honestly have no problem at all with the addition of these two schools. They are both great universities!

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(05-24-2017 09:10 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  That article is LAME. (but thanks for sharing that)

Amazon Prime will have to pay out the ass to get the Big Ten to give them the 10 best football games.

Content is king. The Big Ten Network has control of the content. Sure, maybe the financial model of cable TV goes away ... but the demand for the content won't suddenly dry up just because cable goes away.

If the B1G is really in trouble like the author says it is, then why aren't we seeing articles like "Adding Missouri is the worst thing the SEC ever did" or "The ACC shouldn't be in New England"? This is all stupid. Say what you want about Rutgers, but Maryland has been an excellent addition thus far.

As for Amazon Prime getting into the mix, we'll see in 2022 if they're in the position to gain rights.
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I was definitely not a fan of expansion. I really liked 11 actually, although Nebraska was very much my first choice if we went to 12. I liked playing everyone at least 6 out of 8 years before then and I liked the fact that if you wanted to be outright champs, you better win all your games. This is one reason I have never held the Big 12's lack of a CCG against them.

With Maryland and Rutgers, I have absolutely nothing against the schools, but I do wish that we did not play them every year. Even the traditional schools we routinely beat, we had a lot of history with and I miss playing them regularly. I have also noted that the extent to which I care about how the Big Ten performs is down quite a bit as to me in the past it represented the Midwest (Great Lakes part anyway) and that identity seems greatly diminished now. I still care, but non-conference performance matters far less to me now than it did before and I am a little more likely to occasionally root for another Ohio team or other random team I like to beat conference mates (which I almost never did before).

None of this is a knock on Rutgers or Maryland. They are very much are Big Ten now, and I respect them as such. Once the decision was made to go east, it was the right call to move some conference tournaments (including basketball some years) to the east coast. I am also happy we are least developing a little history now with both. With that said, the conference has lost something that used to be there for me.
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(05-24-2017 08:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Interesting article from a Michigan, meaning hardest of hard core traditional, B1G perspective.

I think he's too pessimistic about Maryland. I can see Maryland football developing positively. Rutgers? They seem hopeless.

Eh, Rutgers wasn't hopeless when they were ranked in the top 25 during the 2000s with Schiano. They've gone through a tough stretch due to a combination of a terrible coach who is now fired, and a terrible AD who was also fired. Things will come back for Rutgers, but it'll take some time to rebuild. Football recruiting this past year was already much improved.
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My only opinion on Rutgers and Maryland is that I wish Maryland OC Walt Bell well, odd little dude who may end up being a big name in the game if the chips fall right.

I disagree with one of the premises of the article, the idea that streaming content providers will want to just cherry pick games.

As long as production costs are contained, streaming providers want all the content they can get. Assuming production costs of around $50,000 per game, a service charging $12 a month that can snag 3000 more subscribers for the year is securely in the black before rights fees between subscription income and ads.

The more content you own, the more people who consider the service worth their money.
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(05-24-2017 07:04 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I'm glad the Big Ten added Maryland and Rutgers. It sure beat Missouri, UConn, and Kansas in my opinion.

The SEC has by far the most profitable network, and Missouri helped them get even more money. We will .see if Maryland and Rutgers add to the B1G money. Cable/satellite is soon to go the way of the stagecoach. To many employees and equipment to compete with the new streamers.
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Maryland ditching the ACC for Big Ten is the most blindsided I've ever been in conference realignment.
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(05-25-2017 12:44 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(05-24-2017 07:04 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I'm glad the Big Ten added Maryland and Rutgers. It sure beat Missouri, UConn, and Kansas in my opinion.

The SEC has by far the most profitable network, and Missouri helped them get even more money. We will .see if Maryland and Rutgers add to the B1G money. Cable/satellite is soon to go the way of the stagecoach. To many employees and equipment to compete with the new streamers.

If the cable and satellite companies are wise, they will follow Verizon's & AT&T's examples and learn to adept to the new technology. Since DirectTV got bought out by AT&T, I'd say they're actually well-positioned for the future. Can't say the same for the rest though, but they need to learn in a hurry!! I'd even say OTA programming will probably soon be a thing of the past as well, although it is enjoying a revival at present.

This is why it really is imperative for all conferences (P5 & G5) to have all their schools ESPN 3 ready because ESPN 3 will become the new model for college athletics. I'm not really worried about the Big 4 conferences since they all have their own conference networks, but it's Big 12 & the G5 that I am worried about being ESPN 3 ready.
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The article points out cord-cutting and why the Networks will fail when more and more people cuts the cord with fewer eyeballs for the networks. If they do cut out schools to go back to 14? I say how this could work out.
Rutgers, Maryland, Syracuse, Boston College, West Virginia, Temple, UConn., Cincinnati and Pittsburgh form a new conference. They add Army, Navy and East Carolina to go 12. This would become a P6 conference.
Missouri, Texas A&M and BYU move to the Big 12.
ACC adds Memphis to go to 12 football school since Notre Dame still wants Independence.
AAC adds UMass., Old Dominion, Toledo, Southern Mississippi, Missouri State and UTSA.
MAC adds Illinois State.
C-USA adds Arkansas State.
Sun Belt adds Lamar or Central Arkansas. Or add both and add either Chattanooga or Eastern Kentucky to 12.
MWC stays the same.

If the cable sports go bust, the super conferences would have to make a trim in the future.
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B1G will always be #1 or 2 regardless of what happens to cable. BTN is portable so cable is just one of many vehicles.

I like Maryland and Rutgers addition and it has been win/win for what universities and conferences are about. In time both Maryland and Rutgers will use their extra resources to be on par with elite programs as much or more so than other programs. They will do better than if they were in original conferences-- BE/AAC or ACC. B1G recruiting athletically and academically have gained by having them also.

Just think about if JOHN Harbaugh went down the road and joined Maryland, the recruiting would go through the roof as would ratings for Harbaugh vs Harbaugh (UM vs UMD). John actually makes $2 million less in NFL than Jim at UM, so it's definitely possible.

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