With risk should come rewards. Haven't seen much in Tod's tenure. Hope you guys are right ?

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This story on Dwayne Rose Jr is a little old, but just came across it today:

http://www.chicagonow.com/newsboy/2017/0...st-a-name/

(05-21-2017 03:19 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  I wonder if Coach K is keeping the 1 scholarship available for a possible mid year transfer. We have gotten 3 mid year transfers that I recall during his tenure-one never played a single minute and another only stayed half a season. There is a gamble involved with transfers but it seems he likes to roll the dice.

TK certainly likes transfers from stronger conferences and prefers to hold a scholarship for such a player instead of giving it to a marginal frosh or juco who might fill a need. i think his experience w dzewzierski and antunez (tough break w injury) will make him more cautious of juco guys. clearly, his recruiting approach is to go hard early after a bunch of region mid majorl HS guys and make sure most of your recruits come out of this long term recruiting approach and familiarity. then, feed in one or two talented and experienced transfers each yr.

next years roster looks like it has more guys ready to play than any TK has had. now, his first few years he was handcuffed with the hisssss cross mess and scholarship reductions. and he's limited his depth with redshirts of frosh and transfers and not trusting some of his young guys. next year, fletcher and w jackson will each play a big role but there's some guys who fight for backup minutes. i mean, logan hill is gonna play. he's too explosive not to. rose is physically ready and played top hs comp. gordon earned some buzz with his improvement as a rs. roberts will be better and had a few moments last season. m jackson will push him. i think we'll see a team that finishes games stronger and has more players in the box score.

(05-22-2017 05:57 AM)pono Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 03:19 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  I wonder if Coach K is keeping the 1 scholarship available for a possible mid year transfer. We have gotten 3 mid year transfers that I recall during his tenure-one never played a single minute and another only stayed half a season. There is a gamble involved with transfers but it seems he likes to roll the dice.

TK certainly likes transfers from stronger conferences and prefers to hold a scholarship for such a player instead of giving it to a marginal frosh or juco who might fill a need. i think his experience w dzewzierski and antunez (tough break w injury) will make him more cautious of juco guys. clearly, his recruiting approach is to go hard early after a bunch of region mid majorl HS guys and make sure most of your recruits come out of this long term recruiting approach and familiarity. then, feed in one or two talented and experienced transfers each yr.

next years roster looks like it has more guys ready to play than any TK has had. now, his first few years he was handcuffed with the hisssss cross mess and scholarship reductions. and he's limited his depth with redshirts of frosh and transfers and not trusting some of his young guys. next year, fletcher and w jackson will each play a big role but there's some guys who fight for backup minutes. i mean, logan hill is gonna play. he's too explosive not to. rose is physically ready and played top hs comp. gordon earned some buzz with his improvement as a rs. roberts will be better and had a few moments last season. m jackson will push him. i think we'll see a team that finishes games stronger and has more players in the box score.

Regarding your second paragraph, it just seems impossible to know at this point which of those guys (other than Fletcher and W. Jackson) will actually see the court. If I had to guess, I'd say you're right that Hill will play. In addition to his explosiveness, we're just too thin inside for Hill not to play. But TK has generally used a pretty short bench. Remember last off-season when everyone was predicting that Adway would get serious minutes? (He started to get a few after Garber was injured.) I figure there will be a couple guys who never play - my guess would be Gordon and either Roberts or M. Jackson - and probably another guy who plays 5-7 minutes per game during conference play. With W. Jackson not eligible first semester, we'll get a chance to see more of the freshmen.

(05-22-2017 06:52 AM)Dwight Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:57 AM)pono Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 03:19 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  I wonder if Coach K is keeping the 1 scholarship available for a possible mid year transfer. We have gotten 3 mid year transfers that I recall during his tenure-one never played a single minute and another only stayed half a season. There is a gamble involved with transfers but it seems he likes to roll the dice.

TK certainly likes transfers from stronger conferences and prefers to hold a scholarship for such a player instead of giving it to a marginal frosh or juco who might fill a need. i think his experience w dzewzierski and antunez (tough break w injury) will make him more cautious of juco guys. clearly, his recruiting approach is to go hard early after a bunch of region mid majorl HS guys and make sure most of your recruits come out of this long term recruiting approach and familiarity. then, feed in one or two talented and experienced transfers each yr.

next years roster looks like it has more guys ready to play than any TK has had. now, his first few years he was handcuffed with the hisssss cross mess and scholarship reductions. and he's limited his depth with redshirts of frosh and transfers and not trusting some of his young guys. next year, fletcher and w jackson will each play a big role but there's some guys who fight for backup minutes. i mean, logan hill is gonna play. he's too explosive not to. rose is physically ready and played top hs comp. gordon earned some buzz with his improvement as a rs. roberts will be better and had a few moments last season. m jackson will push him. i think we'll see a team that finishes games stronger and has more players in the box score.

Regarding your second paragraph, it just seems impossible to know at this point which of those guys (other than Fletcher and W. Jackson) will actually see the court. If I had to guess, I'd say you're right that Hill will play. In addition to his explosiveness, we're just too thin inside for Hill not to play. But TK has generally used a pretty short bench. Remember last off-season when everyone was predicting that Adway would get serious minutes? (He started to get a few after Garber was injured.) I figure there will be a couple guys who never play - my guess would be Gordon and either Roberts or M. Jackson - and probably another guy who plays 5-7 minutes per game during conference play. With W. Jackson not eligible first semester, we'll get a chance to see more of the freshmen.

Maybe Jackson red shirts?

(05-22-2017 09:39 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 06:52 AM)Dwight Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:57 AM)pono Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 03:19 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  I wonder if Coach K is keeping the 1 scholarship available for a possible mid year transfer. We have gotten 3 mid year transfers that I recall during his tenure-one never played a single minute and another only stayed half a season. There is a gamble involved with transfers but it seems he likes to roll the dice.

TK certainly likes transfers from stronger conferences and prefers to hold a scholarship for such a player instead of giving it to a marginal frosh or juco who might fill a need. i think his experience w dzewzierski and antunez (tough break w injury) will make him more cautious of juco guys. clearly, his recruiting approach is to go hard early after a bunch of region mid majorl HS guys and make sure most of your recruits come out of this long term recruiting approach and familiarity. then, feed in one or two talented and experienced transfers each yr.

next years roster looks like it has more guys ready to play than any TK has had. now, his first few years he was handcuffed with the hisssss cross mess and scholarship reductions. and he's limited his depth with redshirts of frosh and transfers and not trusting some of his young guys. next year, fletcher and w jackson will each play a big role but there's some guys who fight for backup minutes. i mean, logan hill is gonna play. he's too explosive not to. rose is physically ready and played top hs comp. gordon earned some buzz with his improvement as a rs. roberts will be better and had a few moments last season. m jackson will push him. i think we'll see a team that finishes games stronger and has more players in the box score.

Regarding your second paragraph, it just seems impossible to know at this point which of those guys (other than Fletcher and W. Jackson) will actually see the court. If I had to guess, I'd say you're right that Hill will play. In addition to his explosiveness, we're just too thin inside for Hill not to play. But TK has generally used a pretty short bench. Remember last off-season when everyone was predicting that Adway would get serious minutes? (He started to get a few after Garber was injured.) I figure there will be a couple guys who never play - my guess would be Gordon and either Roberts or M. Jackson - and probably another guy who plays 5-7 minutes per game during conference play. With W. Jackson not eligible first semester, we'll get a chance to see more of the freshmen.

Maybe Jackson red shirts?

I will be shocked if Jackson doesn't start so I don't think he will redshirt.

Since the game plan seems to score first and play defense second - put the best athletes you have on the floor - Adway starts (probably the most athletic person on the team), and plays until he fouls himself out of the game.

Why not? :-)

Would be fun to watch.

To each their own. I can go to about any playground and see that game for free. I'd rather watch one team playing the whole court than five even very athletic guys running up and down a floor. And there's no way we recruit five guys more athletic than some of the OOC teams we want to compete with, need to compete with in order to move the program up. We only compete if we out-team them.

(05-22-2017 07:58 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  To each their own. I can go to about any playground and see that game for free. I'd rather watch one team playing the whole court than five even very athletic guys running up and down a floor. And there's no way we recruit five guys more athletic than some of the OOC teams we want to compete with, need to compete with in order to move the program up. We only compete if we out-team them.

TK runs a team offense. His clubs play team ball at that end. We aren't Eastern or one of those teams that's mostly one on one play. The issue is defense.

(05-22-2017 08:52 PM)pono Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 07:58 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  To each their own. I can go to about any playground and see that game for free. I'd rather watch one team playing the whole court than five even very athletic guys running up and down a floor. And there's no way we recruit five guys more athletic than some of the OOC teams we want to compete with, need to compete with in order to move the program up. We only compete if we out-team them.

TK runs a team offense. His clubs play team ball at that end. We aren't Eastern or one of those teams that's mostly one on one play. The issue is defense.

Referencing Screwball's post, not TK's. Not sure I would totally agree with your assessment of TK's offense but what I see might be more due to certain individuals maybe not running the game-plan.

(05-22-2017 07:33 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 09:39 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 06:52 AM)Dwight Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:57 AM)pono Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 03:19 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  I wonder if Coach K is keeping the 1 scholarship available for a possible mid year transfer. We have gotten 3 mid year transfers that I recall during his tenure-one never played a single minute and another only stayed half a season. There is a gamble involved with transfers but it seems he likes to roll the dice.

TK certainly likes transfers from stronger conferences and prefers to hold a scholarship for such a player instead of giving it to a marginal frosh or juco who might fill a need. i think his experience w dzewzierski and antunez (tough break w injury) will make him more cautious of juco guys. clearly, his recruiting approach is to go hard early after a bunch of region mid majorl HS guys and make sure most of your recruits come out of this long term recruiting approach and familiarity. then, feed in one or two talented and experienced transfers each yr.

next years roster looks like it has more guys ready to play than any TK has had. now, his first few years he was handcuffed with the hisssss cross mess and scholarship reductions. and he's limited his depth with redshirts of frosh and transfers and not trusting some of his young guys. next year, fletcher and w jackson will each play a big role but there's some guys who fight for backup minutes. i mean, logan hill is gonna play. he's too explosive not to. rose is physically ready and played top hs comp. gordon earned some buzz with his improvement as a rs. roberts will be better and had a few moments last season. m jackson will push him. i think we'll see a team that finishes games stronger and has more players in the box score.

Regarding your second paragraph, it just seems impossible to know at this point which of those guys (other than Fletcher and W. Jackson) will actually see the court. If I had to guess, I'd say you're right that Hill will play. In addition to his explosiveness, we're just too thin inside for Hill not to play. But TK has generally used a pretty short bench. Remember last off-season when everyone was predicting that Adway would get serious minutes? (He started to get a few after Garber was injured.) I figure there will be a couple guys who never play - my guess would be Gordon and either Roberts or M. Jackson - and probably another guy who plays 5-7 minutes per game during conference play. With W. Jackson not eligible first semester, we'll get a chance to see more of the freshmen.

Maybe Jackson red shirts?

I will be shocked if Jackson doesn't start so I don't think he will redshirt.

I certainly think WILLIE Jackson will start. I was referring to Marreon Jackson-should have clarified. I'm a little surprised Roberts is staying on.

I'm not surprised Roberts is coming back, if he is for sure. He's the son of a coach, and knows we are in need of experienced point guards. That with his better understanding of the offense and hopefully improved jump shot and ball handling. Marreon Jackson should be a boost to the team and between him and Roberts allow Sanford and Rose to be more effective scorers. I want to see how Logan Hill can do at the MAC level as a defender and rebounder, he's not any smaller height wise than Weatherspoon was and maybe a hair taller.

(05-23-2017 08:59 AM)utrocks84 Wrote:  I'm not surprised Roberts is coming back, if he is for sure. He's the son of a coach, and knows we are in need of experienced point guards. That with his better understanding of the offense and hopefully improved jump shot and ball handling. Marreon Jackson should be a boost to the team and between him and Roberts allow Sanford and Rose to be more effective scorers. I want to see how Logan Hill can do at the MAC level as a defender and rebounder, he's not any smaller height wise than Weatherspoon was and maybe a hair taller.

Wouldn't be surprised if Marreon Jackson was the starting point guard from the get go. This team has very little size and will need to run if they want to win more than ten games.

I would bet a lot on winning 11 games or more.

I was very disappointed that Toledo did not address & bring one immediate quality big (JUCO or grad transfer) + a young quality frosh big/post for 2017-2018.

If you look at BG's incoming class Coach Huger did a very nice job recruiting some nice "bigs" prospects; I think they are well positioned to get better quicker than Toledo.

Once again in 2017-2018 our roster is set to try to out-shoot and outscore teams rather than run an offense like we did two years ago, through a quality big, and have success. I hope I'm wrong, I see another .500 team at best, likely closer to a 13-16 type of record.

If you look at who Akron & Kent State added in this late period (and even Y'town State), they all addressed their post areas to add some quality prospects. We will be Central Michigan this season trying to win games 103-101 every night.

(05-23-2017 10:47 AM)rockytop Wrote:  I would bet a lot on winning 11 games or more.

i'd take that bet too!

(05-23-2017 10:08 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:59 AM)utrocks84 Wrote:  I'm not surprised Roberts is coming back, if he is for sure. He's the son of a coach, and knows we are in need of experienced point guards. That with his better understanding of the offense and hopefully improved jump shot and ball handling. Marreon Jackson should be a boost to the team and between him and Roberts allow Sanford and Rose to be more effective scorers. I want to see how Logan Hill can do at the MAC level as a defender and rebounder, he's not any smaller height wise than Weatherspoon was and maybe a hair taller.

Wouldn't be surprised if Marreon Jackson was the starting point guard from the get go. This team has very little size and will need to run if they want to win more than ten games.

If Marreon is as good as some on the Board have shared, then I think he's starting by the time we start MAC play.

(05-23-2017 11:52 AM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  I was very disappointed that Toledo did not address & bring one immediate quality big (JUCO or grad transfer) + a young quality frosh big/post for 2017-2018.

If you look at BG's incoming class Coach Huger did a very nice job recruiting some nice "bigs" prospects; I think they are well positioned to get better quicker than Toledo.

Once again in 2017-2018 our roster is set to try to out-shoot and outscore teams rather than run an offense like we did two years ago, through a quality big, and have success. I hope I'm wrong, I see another .500 team at best, likely closer to a 13-16 type of record.

If you look at who Akron & Kent State added in this late period (and even Y'town State), they all addressed their post areas to add some quality prospects. We will be Central Michigan this season trying to win games 103-101 every night.

I'm also disappointed in this. On the flip side, maybe it will help us sign Rotroff from Wauseon, or another quality big as a true freshman in the next class...I hope they see that they could earn plenty of minutes early with so little depth on this team in the low post...

I think next season's team can be 2 or 3 games better than .500 overall, but a lot of that will depend on what the record is going into MAC play, when we'll have played without Willie Jackson (whom I expect good things from). I still hope that the season afterwards would be a good opportunity to win the MAC.

If he is not... then who is. He pretty much has it for the taking. Sanford needs to be at the 2 with one other guard rotating in. Sanford can play the 1 resting people. Should be fun to see how it plays out. Fletcher for sure (just based on last years scrimmages) Sanford and Knapke... the rest is to be decided. Jackson will be in mix in January.