When the Saudis do something to curry favor with Ivanka, womens groups are helped.

When the Saudis do something to curry favor with Hillary, Hillary gets rich, Chelsea gets a dream wedding and retirement income, and people die.

Yea, real similar.

(05-22-2017 05:41 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I suppose we can just wait till Trump is out of office and see if unlikely donors to a fund Ivanka promotes continue giving.

Paul,

The differences between the current benefits to trump (none) vs the "at the time benefits" to the Clinton's (millions into their foundation) make the post trump actions kind of moot.

(05-23-2017 08:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  When the Saudis do something to curry favor with Ivanka, womens groups are helped.

When the Saudis do something to curry favor with Hillary, Hillary gets rich, Chelsea gets a dream wedding and retirement income, and people die.

Yea, real similar.

More fake news. Dude, if you can't take off your partisan facade long enough to see that the Clinton Foundation has done some good and needed work in the world, you're just a blatant liar.

Quote:But no evidence has emerged that even volunteers were used, and the Clinton Foundation denied any resources at all were diverted to the Clinton wedding. “No Foundation funds or resources were used for the wedding,” said Brian Cookstra, a Foundation spokesman, even after we ran various scenarios past him, including use of personal staff and even volunteers.

“As was reported widely at the time, the Clintons hired a wedding planner,” Cookstra said. “The planning, management, and execution of the event was handled by him, which included managing vendors, venue, etc.”

Bryan Rafanelli, the wedding planner, said that when he read a news article alleging the foundation paid for Chelsea’s wedding, he thought, “Oh come on, that’s crazy.”

Rafanelli said that he dealt with five people on the wedding: Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton, Mezvinsky and Dorothy Rodham, her grandmother. He said he arranged for the vendors, after providing options, and then planned it out “like a military operation.” He even booked the hotel rooms for guests. The only thing he did not provide was the guest list and the seating order of the guests.

“It’s one-stop shopping,” he said. “You pay Rafanelli. We pay everyone else.”

He noted that he had a staff of 25 people working on the Clinton wedding and the location — a Hudson River estate — was a secret to guests until four days before the wedding.

The cost of the wedding has never been revealed, but Rafanelli says figures in the media are exaggerated.

“The Clintons happily and proudly paid for the wedding,” said Angel Urena, a spokesman for the former president.

The Pinocchio Test

It’s important to remember that Band’s email was sent privately, with little expectation it would be aired publicly. On the one hand, that might indicate he would be more open about possible conflicts. But he was also feuding with Chelsea Clinton and so might have been inclined to exaggerate or embellish his concerns.

Even the email, at face value, does not justify the hyperbolic news coverage. There was no reference to foundation monies, just “resources.”

At the same time, the foundation, the family and the wedding planner deny the claim made in the email. This was a major social event with 450 guests, something that has to run on clockwork — at great cost. The wedding planner paid the bills and submitted one bill to the Clinton family.

We can’t really award Pinocchios here, since no specific person repeated this allegation. But we can fault the news reporting — and label this as a claim lacking any evidence. Readers (or their friends) who viewed this as the “last straw” about Clinton corruption need to be more careful consumers of the news.

Did the Clinton Foundation pay for Chelsea’s wedding?

(05-23-2017 08:52 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Are you going to go with the idea that none of the Obama worship overseas was done in order to curry favor with him?

Nope...not at all.

But I'm not going to hold my breath for any of the cons to admit that about their orange ape master.

(05-23-2017 08:59 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:41 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I suppose we can just wait till Trump is out of office and see if unlikely donors to a fund Ivanka promotes continue giving.

Paul,

The differences between the current benefits to trump (none) vs the "at the time benefits" to the Clinton's (millions into their foundation) make the post trump actions kind of moot.

I made absolutely zero comparisons to the two.

(05-23-2017 09:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  When the Saudis do something to curry favor with Ivanka, womens groups are helped.

When the Saudis do something to curry favor with Hillary, Hillary gets rich, Chelsea gets a dream wedding and retirement income, and people die.

Yea, real similar.

More fake news. Dude, if you can't take off your partisan facade long enough to see that the Clinton Foundation has done some good and needed work in the world, you're just a blatant liar.

Quote:But no evidence has emerged that even volunteers were used, and the Clinton Foundation denied any resources at all were diverted to the Clinton wedding. “No Foundation funds or resources were used for the wedding,” said Brian Cookstra, a Foundation spokesman, even after we ran various scenarios past him, including use of personal staff and even volunteers.

“As was reported widely at the time, the Clintons hired a wedding planner,” Cookstra said. “The planning, management, and execution of the event was handled by him, which included managing vendors, venue, etc.”

Bryan Rafanelli, the wedding planner, said that when he read a news article alleging the foundation paid for Chelsea’s wedding, he thought, “Oh come on, that’s crazy.”

Rafanelli said that he dealt with five people on the wedding: Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton, Mezvinsky and Dorothy Rodham, her grandmother. He said he arranged for the vendors, after providing options, and then planned it out “like a military operation.” He even booked the hotel rooms for guests. The only thing he did not provide was the guest list and the seating order of the guests.

“It’s one-stop shopping,” he said. “You pay Rafanelli. We pay everyone else.”

He noted that he had a staff of 25 people working on the Clinton wedding and the location — a Hudson River estate — was a secret to guests until four days before the wedding.

The cost of the wedding has never been revealed, but Rafanelli says figures in the media are exaggerated.

“The Clintons happily and proudly paid for the wedding,” said Angel Urena, a spokesman for the former president.

The Pinocchio Test

It’s important to remember that Band’s email was sent privately, with little expectation it would be aired publicly. On the one hand, that might indicate he would be more open about possible conflicts. But he was also feuding with Chelsea Clinton and so might have been inclined to exaggerate or embellish his concerns.

Even the email, at face value, does not justify the hyperbolic news coverage. There was no reference to foundation monies, just “resources.”

At the same time, the foundation, the family and the wedding planner deny the claim made in the email. This was a major social event with 450 guests, something that has to run on clockwork — at great cost. The wedding planner paid the bills and submitted one bill to the Clinton family.

We can’t really award Pinocchios here, since no specific person repeated this allegation. But we can fault the news reporting — and label this as a claim lacking any evidence. Readers (or their friends) who viewed this as the “last straw” about Clinton corruption need to be more careful consumers of the news.

Did the Clinton Foundation pay for Chelsea’s wedding?

No evidence, other than the email between Band and Podesta saying she did it, and the other person not refuting it.

Has Chelsea come out and denied any of this?

(05-22-2017 05:41 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I suppose we can just wait till Trump is out of office and see if unlikely donors to a fund Ivanka promotes continue giving.

Of course it's done to curry favor. As someone else said, this has been going on since recorded time. And likely, the money may dry up when Trump is no longer president.

So long as the Trumps don't benefit in any way monetarily, it's just the way the world works.......and I'd rather the Saudi's shove that money for this cause than to some radical wahhabi nut jobs.

(05-23-2017 10:04 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 09:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  When the Saudis do something to curry favor with Ivanka, womens groups are helped.

When the Saudis do something to curry favor with Hillary, Hillary gets rich, Chelsea gets a dream wedding and retirement income, and people die.

Yea, real similar.

More fake news. Dude, if you can't take off your partisan facade long enough to see that the Clinton Foundation has done some good and needed work in the world, you're just a blatant liar.

Quote:But no evidence has emerged that even volunteers were used, and the Clinton Foundation denied any resources at all were diverted to the Clinton wedding. “No Foundation funds or resources were used for the wedding,” said Brian Cookstra, a Foundation spokesman, even after we ran various scenarios past him, including use of personal staff and even volunteers.

“As was reported widely at the time, the Clintons hired a wedding planner,” Cookstra said. “The planning, management, and execution of the event was handled by him, which included managing vendors, venue, etc.”

Bryan Rafanelli, the wedding planner, said that when he read a news article alleging the foundation paid for Chelsea’s wedding, he thought, “Oh come on, that’s crazy.”

Rafanelli said that he dealt with five people on the wedding: Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton, Mezvinsky and Dorothy Rodham, her grandmother. He said he arranged for the vendors, after providing options, and then planned it out “like a military operation.” He even booked the hotel rooms for guests. The only thing he did not provide was the guest list and the seating order of the guests.

“It’s one-stop shopping,” he said. “You pay Rafanelli. We pay everyone else.”

He noted that he had a staff of 25 people working on the Clinton wedding and the location — a Hudson River estate — was a secret to guests until four days before the wedding.

The cost of the wedding has never been revealed, but Rafanelli says figures in the media are exaggerated.

“The Clintons happily and proudly paid for the wedding,” said Angel Urena, a spokesman for the former president.

The Pinocchio Test

It’s important to remember that Band’s email was sent privately, with little expectation it would be aired publicly. On the one hand, that might indicate he would be more open about possible conflicts. But he was also feuding with Chelsea Clinton and so might have been inclined to exaggerate or embellish his concerns.

Even the email, at face value, does not justify the hyperbolic news coverage. There was no reference to foundation monies, just “resources.”

At the same time, the foundation, the family and the wedding planner deny the claim made in the email. This was a major social event with 450 guests, something that has to run on clockwork — at great cost. The wedding planner paid the bills and submitted one bill to the Clinton family.

We can’t really award Pinocchios here, since no specific person repeated this allegation. But we can fault the news reporting — and label this as a claim lacking any evidence. Readers (or their friends) who viewed this as the “last straw” about Clinton corruption need to be more careful consumers of the news.

Did the Clinton Foundation pay for Chelsea’s wedding?

No evidence, other than the email between Band and Podesta saying she did it, and the other person not refuting it.

Has Chelsea come out and denied any of this?

Why should she...it's nonsense. And your evidence is not evidence of any payment of funds. None.

The CF is a public charity and gets regular audits. An expense of this magnitude would stick out like a sore thumb and would have been found.

(05-23-2017 08:52 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Let's assume, for the moment, that they did to it to "curry favor"....

Regimes have been doing things to curry favor with powerful nations since the dawn of time. Sometimes it's money, sometimes it's fighting their little wars, sometimes it's endorsements ....

Are you going to go with the idea that none of the Obama worship overseas was done in order to curry favor with him?

The fact of the matter is that the best way the Saudi's saw to "curry favor" was to donate millions to a fund dedicated to help women which does not put a penny anywhere near the trumps.

This is unlike when they were currying favor with Hillary by putting money into the Clinton foundation....

This is pretty spot on to what was in my post. I'm assuming they did it for a reason. The Saudis are unlikely donors to that particular fund, don't think anyone would argue that, and let's see if they make any such donations when it doesn't serve them any purpose any longer. If this doesn't come through and everyone is reading something else, guess that's on me. But bullet ran with a lot of bs that truthfully, I don't see how anyone got from my post.

Again, I made absolutely no caparisons to the CF, Hillary, Chelsea, direct money to anyone, nothing that bullet jumped to. Nothing in my post even remotely implied anything to get a reply of "she gets no benefit and no control over the funds. Her kids aren't working for the World Bank. She isn't hiring the consultants who work with the group. She isn't directing who benefits" and that I had some sort of comprehension problem for believing so. Since I said no such things, It was a gigantic leap to say I do.

(05-23-2017 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:52 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Are you going to go with the idea that none of the Obama worship overseas was done in order to curry favor with him?

Nope...not at all.

But I'm not going to hold my breath for any of the cons to admit that about their orange ape master.

Did I not just say that it's probably to curry favor because most moves made through history were aimed at getting favor?

Did you intentionally leave out that part of my post.

(05-23-2017 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:04 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 09:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  When the Saudis do something to curry favor with Ivanka, womens groups are helped.

When the Saudis do something to curry favor with Hillary, Hillary gets rich, Chelsea gets a dream wedding and retirement income, and people die.

Yea, real similar.

More fake news. Dude, if you can't take off your partisan facade long enough to see that the Clinton Foundation has done some good and needed work in the world, you're just a blatant liar.

Quote:But no evidence has emerged that even volunteers were used, and the Clinton Foundation denied any resources at all were diverted to the Clinton wedding. “No Foundation funds or resources were used for the wedding,” said Brian Cookstra, a Foundation spokesman, even after we ran various scenarios past him, including use of personal staff and even volunteers.

“As was reported widely at the time, the Clintons hired a wedding planner,” Cookstra said. “The planning, management, and execution of the event was handled by him, which included managing vendors, venue, etc.”

Bryan Rafanelli, the wedding planner, said that when he read a news article alleging the foundation paid for Chelsea’s wedding, he thought, “Oh come on, that’s crazy.”

Rafanelli said that he dealt with five people on the wedding: Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton, Mezvinsky and Dorothy Rodham, her grandmother. He said he arranged for the vendors, after providing options, and then planned it out “like a military operation.” He even booked the hotel rooms for guests. The only thing he did not provide was the guest list and the seating order of the guests.

“It’s one-stop shopping,” he said. “You pay Rafanelli. We pay everyone else.”

He noted that he had a staff of 25 people working on the Clinton wedding and the location — a Hudson River estate — was a secret to guests until four days before the wedding.

The cost of the wedding has never been revealed, but Rafanelli says figures in the media are exaggerated.

“The Clintons happily and proudly paid for the wedding,” said Angel Urena, a spokesman for the former president.

The Pinocchio Test

It’s important to remember that Band’s email was sent privately, with little expectation it would be aired publicly. On the one hand, that might indicate he would be more open about possible conflicts. But he was also feuding with Chelsea Clinton and so might have been inclined to exaggerate or embellish his concerns.

Even the email, at face value, does not justify the hyperbolic news coverage. There was no reference to foundation monies, just “resources.”

At the same time, the foundation, the family and the wedding planner deny the claim made in the email. This was a major social event with 450 guests, something that has to run on clockwork — at great cost. The wedding planner paid the bills and submitted one bill to the Clinton family.

We can’t really award Pinocchios here, since no specific person repeated this allegation. But we can fault the news reporting — and label this as a claim lacking any evidence. Readers (or their friends) who viewed this as the “last straw” about Clinton corruption need to be more careful consumers of the news.

Did the Clinton Foundation pay for Chelsea’s wedding?

No evidence, other than the email between Band and Podesta saying she did it, and the other person not refuting it.

Has Chelsea come out and denied any of this?

Why should she...it's nonsense. And your evidence is not evidence of any payment of funds. None.

The CF is a public charity and gets regular audits. An expense of this magnitude would stick out like a sore thumb and would have been found.

No, its direct evidence that is known to be authentic.

This was affecting Hillary's election bid, as reported by your own source, yet Chelsea didnt deny it? Why is that?