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RE: The P5 Conundrum 4 da' Univ of Tulsa
(05-22-2017 10:07 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 09:36 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  I just wanted 2 post this 2 all the AAC fans & supporters
regardin the Plight & Struggles that Univ of Tulsa
has to endure to compete in the AAC

Univ of Tulsa is located in a regional “Hot” bed of college F-ball Addicts
But being a private school,
it struggles @ reaching & competing @
$$$$, publicity/support, & attendance levels
as compared to 3 P’s schools (Blow U, Okie Dokie St, & Hawgwarts)
which are all located less than 3 hrs away from the Tulsa area.

The Tulsa TV/Media market is the main television market
for all 4 school’s in the NE/OK, NW/ARK. SW/MO, SE/KS Area
& so, the media/PR/attention is primarily given to those three P5 schools
because of their large fan base, alumni, & conference supporters.

So the reality is that in the city of Tulsa itself
TU is a distant 4th in terms of fan base, alumni influence, & interest
as compared to those other 3 P5 school’s

So...., sadly Univ of Tulsa has to look @ creative ways
to continue keeping the revenue stream flowing
Hence this article...........

This TW World Article 5/19/17
by Kelly Hines
TU gets big bucks for Power 5 games,
struggles to get teams to Chapman Stadium

Looking at the schedules for upcoming seasons of University of Tulsa football, some heavyhitters are on the horizon.

The next six years feature nonconference games against Oklahoma State, Texas, Arkansas, Michigan State, Ohio State and Ole Miss — opponents from the premier Southeastern, Big Ten and Big 12 conferences.

Although the Hurricane already was working to play a Power 5 team on an annual basis, the American Athletic Conference recently encouraged its members to upgrade their schedules in an attempt to bolster its Power 6 argument.

“Our schedules need to match that,” TU athletic director Derrick Gragg said. “We wanted to upgrade on our end. Obviously there’s an economic component to it as well. Playing those teams and being very competitive and winning some of those games is very important.”

Coming off a successful 10-win season in Philip Montgomery’s second year, TU continues to face difficulty in persuading teams to visit H.A. Chapman Stadium, where the Hurricane went undefeated in 2016.
“It’s not a secret that we have a very good football program,” Gragg said. “Ten wins and everybody saw what we did in the bowl game (a 55-10 win against Central Michigan). It’s hard to get on the phone with opposing programs now and get them to agree to come here.”

In-state opponents are seemingly the only teams willing to play at TU as part of a two-for-one deal. While OSU athletic director Mike Holder has proposed annual series in football and men’s basketball, Gragg does not appear ready to sign up for that.

“I don’t think you ever want to lock yourself into anything indefinitely because it’s hard to predict what’s going to happen down the road,” he said. “Obviously OSU and OU are very attractive opponents for us especially if we can get them to come here, but you also want to be responsive to the fans and what they want, too. Sometimes they want to see different opponents.”


For the 2017 opener in Stillwater, the Hurricane concludes a three-game contract with the Cowboys. An additional three-year contract accounts for games at TU in 2019 and at OSU in 2020 and 2021, and the schools also will renew a home-and-home basketball series that begins at Gallagher-Iba on Dec. 19 and returns to the Reynolds Center the following year.

Arkansas, where Gragg spent six years as an athletic-department administrator, would be an obvious choice for a two-for-one arrangement if not for the Razorbacks’ unwillingness to seal the deal. The Hurricane will play in 2018 at Arkansas, which hasn’t visited Tulsa since 1952 and has been the home team for the past 42 meetings.
“We were really close to doing a two-for-one deal with them, but the person who was very integral with helping me with that on their end left the (Arkansas) department right at the end of negotiations,” Gragg said. “ … It went back to them just wanting to do a guarantee game.”

The going rate for guarantee games is more than $1 million. The Hurricane received $1.03 million for last year’s game at Ohio State, won 48-3 by the Buckeyes, and will get a reported $1.1 million from Texas in 2018, $1.2 million from Michigan State in 2019 and $1.45 million from Ole Miss in 2022.

That kind of money significantly helps the athletic department during a university-wide financial time of need. TU still relies on private funding for its facility projects, including a renovation of the football locker room after the 2017 season in the existing space in the Case Athletic Complex.

On the flip side, the Hurricane’s home schedule suffers when big-name teams don’t come to town. Last year’s lackluster nonconference lineup played a role in TU finishing last in the American in attendance, averaging 18,901 fans at the 30,000-seat Chapman Stadium.

Gragg said the revamped ticket office plans to become increasingly aggressive in the coming months to fill more seats in the fall, when the Hurricane can cash in on the resurgence of the program along with an appealing league schedule that brings contenders Navy, Houston, Memphis and Temple to TU.

“Your best marketing piece is the production of the program,” Gragg said. “Obviously coming off a 10-win season helps a lot. And our coach, everyone really likes coach Montgomery — the way he’s done things, the way he’s turned the program around. His personality fits very well here in the community. We need to capitalize on those things.”

If Oklahoma State is willing to do an annual series with Tulsa and *Tulsa* is the one rejecting it, then that doesn't make sense to me (especially if Tulsa seems to be having trouble getting even 2-for-1 deals with other P5 schools, much less any 1-for-1 series).

Tulsa used to get home and homes with Iowa. It's been awhile and things have changed a bit...that pesky thing called the BCS aka the Power 5 changed things for some schools. Northwestern is now a "power school".....Or Drake in Chicago I like to call them.
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RE: The P5 Conundrum 4 da' Univ of Tulsa
(05-22-2017 08:20 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 10:07 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 09:36 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  I just wanted 2 post this 2 all the AAC fans & supporters
regardin the Plight & Struggles that Univ of Tulsa
has to endure to compete in the AAC

Univ of Tulsa is located in a regional “Hot” bed of college F-ball Addicts
But being a private school,
it struggles @ reaching & competing @
$$$$, publicity/support, & attendance levels
as compared to 3 P’s schools (Blow U, Okie Dokie St, & Hawgwarts)
which are all located less than 3 hrs away from the Tulsa area.

The Tulsa TV/Media market is the main television market
for all 4 school’s in the NE/OK, NW/ARK. SW/MO, SE/KS Area
& so, the media/PR/attention is primarily given to those three P5 schools
because of their large fan base, alumni, & conference supporters.

So the reality is that in the city of Tulsa itself
TU is a distant 4th in terms of fan base, alumni influence, & interest
as compared to those other 3 P5 school’s

So...., sadly Univ of Tulsa has to look @ creative ways
to continue keeping the revenue stream flowing
Hence this article...........

This TW World Article 5/19/17
by Kelly Hines
TU gets big bucks for Power 5 games,
struggles to get teams to Chapman Stadium

Looking at the schedules for upcoming seasons of University of Tulsa football, some heavyhitters are on the horizon.

The next six years feature nonconference games against Oklahoma State, Texas, Arkansas, Michigan State, Ohio State and Ole Miss — opponents from the premier Southeastern, Big Ten and Big 12 conferences.

Although the Hurricane already was working to play a Power 5 team on an annual basis, the American Athletic Conference recently encouraged its members to upgrade their schedules in an attempt to bolster its Power 6 argument.

“Our schedules need to match that,” TU athletic director Derrick Gragg said. “We wanted to upgrade on our end. Obviously there’s an economic component to it as well. Playing those teams and being very competitive and winning some of those games is very important.”

Coming off a successful 10-win season in Philip Montgomery’s second year, TU continues to face difficulty in persuading teams to visit H.A. Chapman Stadium, where the Hurricane went undefeated in 2016.
“It’s not a secret that we have a very good football program,” Gragg said. “Ten wins and everybody saw what we did in the bowl game (a 55-10 win against Central Michigan). It’s hard to get on the phone with opposing programs now and get them to agree to come here.”

In-state opponents are seemingly the only teams willing to play at TU as part of a two-for-one deal. While OSU athletic director Mike Holder has proposed annual series in football and men’s basketball, Gragg does not appear ready to sign up for that.

“I don’t think you ever want to lock yourself into anything indefinitely because it’s hard to predict what’s going to happen down the road,” he said. “Obviously OSU and OU are very attractive opponents for us especially if we can get them to come here, but you also want to be responsive to the fans and what they want, too. Sometimes they want to see different opponents.”


For the 2017 opener in Stillwater, the Hurricane concludes a three-game contract with the Cowboys. An additional three-year contract accounts for games at TU in 2019 and at OSU in 2020 and 2021, and the schools also will renew a home-and-home basketball series that begins at Gallagher-Iba on Dec. 19 and returns to the Reynolds Center the following year.

Arkansas, where Gragg spent six years as an athletic-department administrator, would be an obvious choice for a two-for-one arrangement if not for the Razorbacks’ unwillingness to seal the deal. The Hurricane will play in 2018 at Arkansas, which hasn’t visited Tulsa since 1952 and has been the home team for the past 42 meetings.
“We were really close to doing a two-for-one deal with them, but the person who was very integral with helping me with that on their end left the (Arkansas) department right at the end of negotiations,” Gragg said. “ … It went back to them just wanting to do a guarantee game.”

The going rate for guarantee games is more than $1 million. The Hurricane received $1.03 million for last year’s game at Ohio State, won 48-3 by the Buckeyes, and will get a reported $1.1 million from Texas in 2018, $1.2 million from Michigan State in 2019 and $1.45 million from Ole Miss in 2022.

That kind of money significantly helps the athletic department during a university-wide financial time of need. TU still relies on private funding for its facility projects, including a renovation of the football locker room after the 2017 season in the existing space in the Case Athletic Complex.

On the flip side, the Hurricane’s home schedule suffers when big-name teams don’t come to town. Last year’s lackluster nonconference lineup played a role in TU finishing last in the American in attendance, averaging 18,901 fans at the 30,000-seat Chapman Stadium.

Gragg said the revamped ticket office plans to become increasingly aggressive in the coming months to fill more seats in the fall, when the Hurricane can cash in on the resurgence of the program along with an appealing league schedule that brings contenders Navy, Houston, Memphis and Temple to TU.

“Your best marketing piece is the production of the program,” Gragg said. “Obviously coming off a 10-win season helps a lot. And our coach, everyone really likes coach Montgomery — the way he’s done things, the way he’s turned the program around. His personality fits very well here in the community. We need to capitalize on those things.”

If Oklahoma State is willing to do an annual series with Tulsa and *Tulsa* is the one rejecting it, then that doesn't make sense to me (especially if Tulsa seems to be having trouble getting even 2-for-1 deals with other P5 schools, much less any 1-for-1 series).

Tulsa used to get home and homes with Iowa. It's been awhile and things have changed a bit...that pesky thing called the BCS aka the Power 5 changed things for some schools. Northwestern is now a "power school".....Or Drake in Chicago I like to call them.

We did play a home and home with Iowa State in 12 and 13. They're not Iowa but it's close. That's the kind of teams we need to get those series with in my opinion. To go with the pay day game each year. And a couple weaker opponents of course.
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(05-19-2017 09:36 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  I just wanted 2 post this 2 all the AAC fans & supporters
regardin the Plight & Struggles that Univ of Tulsa
has to endure to compete in the AAC

Univ of Tulsa is located in a regional “Hot” bed of college F-ball Addicts
But being a private school,
it struggles @ reaching & competing @
$$$$, publicity/support, & attendance levels
as compared to 3 P’s schools (Blow U, Okie Dokie St, & Hawgwarts)
which are all located less than 3 hrs away from the Tulsa area.

The Tulsa TV/Media market is the main television market
for all 4 school’s in the NE/OK, NW/ARK. SW/MO, SE/KS Area
& so, the media/PR/attention is primarily given to those three P5 schools
because of their large fan base, alumni, & conference supporters.

So the reality is that in the city of Tulsa itself
TU is a distant 4th in terms of fan base, alumni influence, & interest
as compared to those other 3 P5 school’s

So...., sadly Univ of Tulsa has to look @ creative ways
to continue keeping the revenue stream flowing
Hence this article...........

This TW World Article 5/19/17
by Kelly Hines
TU gets big bucks for Power 5 games,
struggles to get teams to Chapman Stadium

Looking at the schedules for upcoming seasons of University of Tulsa football, some heavyhitters are on the horizon.

The next six years feature nonconference games against Oklahoma State, Texas, Arkansas, Michigan State, Ohio State and Ole Miss — opponents from the premier Southeastern, Big Ten and Big 12 conferences.

Although the Hurricane already was working to play a Power 5 team on an annual basis, the American Athletic Conference recently encouraged its members to upgrade their schedules in an attempt to bolster its Power 6 argument.

“Our schedules need to match that,” TU athletic director Derrick Gragg said. “We wanted to upgrade on our end. Obviously there’s an economic component to it as well. Playing those teams and being very competitive and winning some of those games is very important.”

Coming off a successful 10-win season in Philip Montgomery’s second year, TU continues to face difficulty in persuading teams to visit H.A. Chapman Stadium, where the Hurricane went undefeated in 2016.
“It’s not a secret that we have a very good football program,” Gragg said. “Ten wins and everybody saw what we did in the bowl game (a 55-10 win against Central Michigan). It’s hard to get on the phone with opposing programs now and get them to agree to come here.”

In-state opponents are seemingly the only teams willing to play at TU as part of a two-for-one deal. While OSU athletic director Mike Holder has proposed annual series in football and men’s basketball, Gragg does not appear ready to sign up for that.

“I don’t think you ever want to lock yourself into anything indefinitely because it’s hard to predict what’s going to happen down the road,” he said. “Obviously OSU and OU are very attractive opponents for us especially if we can get them to come here, but you also want to be responsive to the fans and what they want, too. Sometimes they want to see different opponents.”

For the 2017 opener in Stillwater, the Hurricane concludes a three-game contract with the Cowboys. An additional three-year contract accounts for games at TU in 2019 and at OSU in 2020 and 2021, and the schools also will renew a home-and-home basketball series that begins at Gallagher-Iba on Dec. 19 and returns to the Reynolds Center the following year.

Arkansas, where Gragg spent six years as an athletic-department administrator, would be an obvious choice for a two-for-one arrangement if not for the Razorbacks’ unwillingness to seal the deal. The Hurricane will play in 2018 at Arkansas, which hasn’t visited Tulsa since 1952 and has been the home team for the past 42 meetings.
“We were really close to doing a two-for-one deal with them, but the person who was very integral with helping me with that on their end left the (Arkansas) department right at the end of negotiations,” Gragg said. “ … It went back to them just wanting to do a guarantee game.”

The going rate for guarantee games is more than $1 million. The Hurricane received $1.03 million for last year’s game at Ohio State, won 48-3 by the Buckeyes, and will get a reported $1.1 million from Texas in 2018, $1.2 million from Michigan State in 2019 and $1.45 million from Ole Miss in 2022.

That kind of money significantly helps the athletic department during a university-wide financial time of need. TU still relies on private funding for its facility projects, including a renovation of the football locker room after the 2017 season in the existing space in the Case Athletic Complex.

On the flip side, the Hurricane’s home schedule suffers when big-name teams don’t come to town. Last year’s lackluster nonconference lineup played a role in TU finishing last in the American in attendance, averaging 18,901 fans at the 30,000-seat Chapman Stadium.

Gragg said the revamped ticket office plans to become increasingly aggressive in the coming months to fill more seats in the fall, when the Hurricane can cash in on the resurgence of the program along with an appealing league schedule that brings contenders Navy, Houston, Memphis and Temple to TU.

“Your best marketing piece is the production of the program,” Gragg said. “Obviously coming off a 10-win season helps a lot. And our coach, everyone really likes coach Montgomery — the way he’s done things, the way he’s turned the program around. His personality fits very well here in the community. We need to capitalize on those things.”

Try being less than 2 hours from Baton Rouge, 2 1/2 to 3 hours from Bama, 3 hours from Starkville, 4 hours from Oxford and not to mention 1 1/2 hours from the NO Saints. I feel your pain.
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(05-22-2017 08:03 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 03:53 PM)MechaKnight Wrote:  
(05-21-2017 07:56 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  The problem is we can't get big schools to come to HA Chapman because it holds 28,500 and that limits any economic benifit.

I've heard the same reasoning for why UF/FSU won't visit UCF's 45k seat stadium, but it doesn't make sense. It's not like visiting team get a cut of the ticket sales. Why does OU care how many tickets Tulsa can sell for a Tulsa home game?

Your compensation in a 1-1 deal is the return game. You could say you don't want to give up a home game, or you want a stronger/weaker opponent, or a more popular opponent, or just say "no" and don't give any reason.

But the "your stadium is too small" thing doesn't make sense to me because it doesn't affect you at all.

One of the reasons for OU and OSU playing in Tulsa is to give their local fans....which are many, a chance to see their alma mater play without driving to Norman or Stillwater. OU home games are always sold out with season ticket sales and OSU ticket situation is not good.

But TU has a very small 27,000 seat stadium, so ticket prices for the OU and OSU games sky rocket and somewhat defeats the purpose of playing in Tulsa.

OkSt has 1-1 scheduled with Oregon State and Pitt. What do they get out of those games that they don't get out of a 1-1 with Tulsa?

They don't have alumni there, don't make money off the away game, SOS impact is about the same as Tulsa, probably fewer visiting fans than Tulsa would bring for the return game

And I'm not saying OkSt shouldn't play those teams, just that if they're willing to travel 2000 miles to play 1-1 with a mediocre P5 then all the excuses used to avoid Tulsa evaporate. All that's left is maintaining the perception that Tulsa isn't a peer worthy of 1-1
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(05-23-2017 09:18 AM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 09:36 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  I just wanted 2 post this 2 all the AAC fans & supporters
regardin the Plight & Struggles that Univ of Tulsa
has to endure to compete in the AAC

Univ of Tulsa is located in a regional “Hot” bed of college F-ball Addicts
But being a private school,
it struggles @ reaching & competing @
$$$$, publicity/support, & attendance levels
as compared to 3 P’s schools (Blow U, Okie Dokie St, & Hawgwarts)
which are all located less than 3 hrs away from the Tulsa area.

The Tulsa TV/Media market is the main television market
for all 4 school’s in the NE/OK, NW/ARK. SW/MO, SE/KS Area
& so, the media/PR/attention is primarily given to those three P5 schools
because of their large fan base, alumni, & conference supporters.

So the reality is that in the city of Tulsa itself
TU is a distant 4th in terms of fan base, alumni influence, & interest
as compared to those other 3 P5 school’s

So...., sadly Univ of Tulsa has to look @ creative ways
to continue keeping the revenue stream flowing
Hence this article...........

This TW World Article 5/19/17
by Kelly Hines
TU gets big bucks for Power 5 games,
struggles to get teams to Chapman Stadium

Looking at the schedules for upcoming seasons of University of Tulsa football, some heavyhitters are on the horizon.

The next six years feature nonconference games against Oklahoma State, Texas, Arkansas, Michigan State, Ohio State and Ole Miss — opponents from the premier Southeastern, Big Ten and Big 12 conferences.

Although the Hurricane already was working to play a Power 5 team on an annual basis, the American Athletic Conference recently encouraged its members to upgrade their schedules in an attempt to bolster its Power 6 argument.

“Our schedules need to match that,” TU athletic director Derrick Gragg said. “We wanted to upgrade on our end. Obviously there’s an economic component to it as well. Playing those teams and being very competitive and winning some of those games is very important.”

Coming off a successful 10-win season in Philip Montgomery’s second year, TU continues to face difficulty in persuading teams to visit H.A. Chapman Stadium, where the Hurricane went undefeated in 2016.
“It’s not a secret that we have a very good football program,” Gragg said. “Ten wins and everybody saw what we did in the bowl game (a 55-10 win against Central Michigan). It’s hard to get on the phone with opposing programs now and get them to agree to come here.”

In-state opponents are seemingly the only teams willing to play at TU as part of a two-for-one deal. While OSU athletic director Mike Holder has proposed annual series in football and men’s basketball, Gragg does not appear ready to sign up for that.

“I don’t think you ever want to lock yourself into anything indefinitely because it’s hard to predict what’s going to happen down the road,” he said. “Obviously OSU and OU are very attractive opponents for us especially if we can get them to come here, but you also want to be responsive to the fans and what they want, too. Sometimes they want to see different opponents.”

For the 2017 opener in Stillwater, the Hurricane concludes a three-game contract with the Cowboys. An additional three-year contract accounts for games at TU in 2019 and at OSU in 2020 and 2021, and the schools also will renew a home-and-home basketball series that begins at Gallagher-Iba on Dec. 19 and returns to the Reynolds Center the following year.

Arkansas, where Gragg spent six years as an athletic-department administrator, would be an obvious choice for a two-for-one arrangement if not for the Razorbacks’ unwillingness to seal the deal. The Hurricane will play in 2018 at Arkansas, which hasn’t visited Tulsa since 1952 and has been the home team for the past 42 meetings.
“We were really close to doing a two-for-one deal with them, but the person who was very integral with helping me with that on their end left the (Arkansas) department right at the end of negotiations,” Gragg said. “ … It went back to them just wanting to do a guarantee game.”

The going rate for guarantee games is more than $1 million. The Hurricane received $1.03 million for last year’s game at Ohio State, won 48-3 by the Buckeyes, and will get a reported $1.1 million from Texas in 2018, $1.2 million from Michigan State in 2019 and $1.45 million from Ole Miss in 2022.

That kind of money significantly helps the athletic department during a university-wide financial time of need. TU still relies on private funding for its facility projects, including a renovation of the football locker room after the 2017 season in the existing space in the Case Athletic Complex.

On the flip side, the Hurricane’s home schedule suffers when big-name teams don’t come to town. Last year’s lackluster nonconference lineup played a role in TU finishing last in the American in attendance, averaging 18,901 fans at the 30,000-seat Chapman Stadium.

Gragg said the revamped ticket office plans to become increasingly aggressive in the coming months to fill more seats in the fall, when the Hurricane can cash in on the resurgence of the program along with an appealing league schedule that brings contenders Navy, Houston, Memphis and Temple to TU.

“Your best marketing piece is the production of the program,” Gragg said. “Obviously coming off a 10-win season helps a lot. And our coach, everyone really likes coach Montgomery — the way he’s done things, the way he’s turned the program around. His personality fits very well here in the community. We need to capitalize on those things.”

Try being less than 2 hours from Baton Rouge, 2 1/2 to 3 hours from Bama, 3 hours from Starkville, 4 hours from Oxford and not to mention 1 1/2 hours from the NO Saints. I feel your pain.

pretty much this. UCF is a few hours from FSU, UF, and Miami. USF plays in the same stadium as an NFL team and is also near those 3 schools. The list goes on and on which is why were in the AAC.
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(05-23-2017 11:31 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 08:03 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(05-22-2017 03:53 PM)MechaKnight Wrote:  
(05-21-2017 07:56 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  The problem is we can't get big schools to come to HA Chapman because it holds 28,500 and that limits any economic benifit.

I've heard the same reasoning for why UF/FSU won't visit UCF's 45k seat stadium, but it doesn't make sense. It's not like visiting team get a cut of the ticket sales. Why does OU care how many tickets Tulsa can sell for a Tulsa home game?

Your compensation in a 1-1 deal is the return game. You could say you don't want to give up a home game, or you want a stronger/weaker opponent, or a more popular opponent, or just say "no" and don't give any reason.

But the "your stadium is too small" thing doesn't make sense to me because it doesn't affect you at all.

One of the reasons for OU and OSU playing in Tulsa is to give their local fans....which are many, a chance to see their alma mater play without driving to Norman or Stillwater. OU home games are always sold out with season ticket sales and OSU ticket situation is not good.

But TU has a very small 27,000 seat stadium, so ticket prices for the OU and OSU games sky rocket and somewhat defeats the purpose of playing in Tulsa.

OkSt has 1-1 scheduled with Oregon State and Pitt. What do they get out of those games that they don't get out of a 1-1 with Tulsa?

They don't have alumni there, don't make money off the away game, SOS impact is about the same as Tulsa, probably fewer visiting fans than Tulsa would bring for the return game

And I'm not saying OkSt shouldn't play those teams, just that if they're willing to travel 2000 miles to play 1-1 with a mediocre P5 then all the excuses used to avoid Tulsa evaporate. All that's left is maintaining the perception that Tulsa isn't a peer worthy of 1-1

Why doesn't every P5 team play G5 teams 1-1? There is your answer.
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On No!
The Plight of the University of Tulsa's "Struggles" Continue
This time though,
It's w/n its own Administration......

HEAVY SIGH

Bill Haisten, TULSA WORLD: A pointless delay in the renovation of TU’s football locker room

In 19 years since Reynolds Center construction was completed, the University of Tulsa men’s basketball locker room has been changed on six occasions.

For coaches Bill Self, Buzz Peterson, John Phillips and Doug Wojcik (twice), there were changes. Some minor and some significant.

For current coach Frank Haith, there was a complete, donor-funded makeover of the locker room. It is believed to have been a $1.5 million undertaking.

During the past 10 years, the Golden Hurricane football program has outperformed its basketball counterpart.

For TU basketball, there hasn’t been an NCAA Tournament victory in 14 years.

For TU football in 2007-16, there were seven bowl appearances and five finishes of at least 10 wins.

However, the football locker room looks the same today as it did in June 2007, when construction of the Case Athletic Complex was completed.

After the 2016 Hurricane squad closed with a 10-3 mark and returned from a victorious Miami Beach Bowl trip, an appreciative donor responded with money for an extensive locker room renovation.

It was expected that the project would begin a few days ago and be finished by the start of preseason camp in early August.

It’s not happening.

It supposedly will get done eventually, but not now.

A source said that the locker-room project is delayed because of university red tape — because “everyone dragged their feet” — and because TU leadership figures were concerned about the possibility of a disapproving response within the university community.

There apparently was concern about the perception of a football improvement coinciding with university budget problems and the loss of support-staff jobs.

A source close to the Hurricane program indicated that coach Philip Montgomery has graduated from frustration to anger.

If so, it might be due to scar tissue from previous disappointments.

When Montgomery was hired in December 2014, he was told that TU was committed to building an indoor practice facility.
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