I think more of Moore than most on here. Yes he's got some serious flaws with regards to holding onto the ball and fumbling but he's also had moments where he looks like a good college quarterback. Made a lot of really nice throws to end the season at Tulsa. If through our improved conditioning program and better motivation we can get improved line play and better running game I believe he could make the next step and improve on his flaws.

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I would go with Moore Trail Mix.


Ha Ha,,,,,that is funny........

Right now I would go with Moore just because he has more experience. I hope they have a better offensive game plan than last year. I think the addition to the line will help and we will use the running game and the TE more in the offense and it will help with the QB play and the line blocking. I think some of the Oline will like to run block more than pass block. That is where they can show there toughness and I think a few might like to show that.

I think its Moore to be fair he has been put in a bad situation has changed offenses to much poor coaching (all the indecisions at the position pick a guy and give him a chance)he has had some good games and with coaching and better offensive scheme he can win games Go Bearcats

Gotta go with Moore. Just gotta hope he can get back to being to the QB we saw in Memphis two years ago and not the QB we saw last year

Eh, let the Coach figure this one out... Whomever Coach Fickell goes with, I'm OK with.

Uh, can any of our receivers throw?

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(05-20-2017 06:54 AM)KCat Wrote:  [quote='QSECOFR' pid='14347678' dateline='1495218883']

I would go with Moore Trail Mix.


Ha Ha,,,,,that is funny........

Not really

(05-20-2017 10:12 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Eh, let the Coach figure this one out... Whomever Coach Fickell goes with, I'm OK with.

In the past I've always had a strong opinion of who should be the starting QB....Kay over Munchie, Kiel over everyone else. But this year I'm in the belief to let the coaches figure this out and trust who they go with.

(05-21-2017 03:24 PM)RedRocker Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 06:54 AM)KCat Wrote:  [quote='QSECOFR' pid='14347678' dateline='1495218883']

I would go with Moore Trail Mix.


Ha Ha,,,,,that is funny........

Not really

Don't worry - I am not going to quit my day job.

None of these QBs have shown enough that I am going to be critical of the coaches for going one way or the other. However, from my own observations I suspect it will be Moore. He has clear flaws which worry me, but he's also shown more flashes and ability than Trail in the passing game. I think if his pocket presence improved and he decision making was quicker he could be a solid QB. These are big ifs, but every now and then we've seen it.

(05-22-2017 10:22 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  None of these QBs have shown enough that I am going to be critical of the coaches for going one way or the other. However, from my own observations I suspect it will be Moore. He has clear flaws which worry me, but he's also shown more flashes and ability than Trail in the passing game. I think if his pocket presence improved and he decision making was quicker he could be a solid QB. These are big ifs, but every now and then we've seen it.

Good assessment. Of course an improved running game may make either QB look better but the offensive line is a big question mark too. My hope for this 2017 season is that what we witnessed last year was pretty good talent consistently under-performing. If that gets fixed, this team could be reasonably successful and fun to watch.

(05-22-2017 10:41 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:22 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  None of these QBs have shown enough that I am going to be critical of the coaches for going one way or the other. However, from my own observations I suspect it will be Moore. He has clear flaws which worry me, but he's also shown more flashes and ability than Trail in the passing game. I think if his pocket presence improved and he decision making was quicker he could be a solid QB. These are big ifs, but every now and then we've seen it.

Good assessment. Of course an improved running game may make either QB look better but the offensive line is a big question mark too. My hope for this 2017 season is that what we witnessed last year was pretty good talent consistently under-performing. If that gets fixed, this team could be reasonably successful and fun to watch.

I also am thinking (and hoping) strong leadership from the new coaches will help one or both of these young men to blossom. With the previous staff, not knowing week to week who was even starting or if you were doing your job correctly quickly undermined confidence and performance. That stability alone should lead to improvement.

(05-22-2017 11:00 AM)cpawstoney Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:41 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:22 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  None of these QBs have shown enough that I am going to be critical of the coaches for going one way or the other. However, from my own observations I suspect it will be Moore. He has clear flaws which worry me, but he's also shown more flashes and ability than Trail in the passing game. I think if his pocket presence improved and he decision making was quicker he could be a solid QB. These are big ifs, but every now and then we've seen it.

Good assessment. Of course an improved running game may make either QB look better but the offensive line is a big question mark too. My hope for this 2017 season is that what we witnessed last year was pretty good talent consistently under-performing. If that gets fixed, this team could be reasonably successful and fun to watch.

I also am thinking (and hoping) strong leadership from the new coaches will help one or both of these young men to blossom. With the previous staff, not knowing week to week who was even starting or if you were doing your job correctly quickly undermined confidence and performance. That stability alone should lead to improvement.

i wasn't the biggest bearcat fb fan early on so i'll beg some forgiveness on this topic but how reminiscent is this of the Davila/Grutza situation? i echo the sentiment that a coaching change/better coaching might help both of them out.

(05-22-2017 10:41 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:22 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  None of these QBs have shown enough that I am going to be critical of the coaches for going one way or the other. However, from my own observations I suspect it will be Moore. He has clear flaws which worry me, but he's also shown more flashes and ability than Trail in the passing game. I think if his pocket presence improved and he decision making was quicker he could be a solid QB. These are big ifs, but every now and then we've seen it.

Good assessment. Of course an improved running game may make either QB look better but the offensive line is a big question mark too. My hope for this 2017 season is that what we witnessed last year was pretty good talent consistently under-performing. If that gets fixed, this team could be reasonably successful and fun to watch.

Hopefully they utilize the backs as pass catchers out of the backfield. That might open things up for us a bit in this regard.

(05-22-2017 11:24 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 11:00 AM)cpawstoney Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:41 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:22 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  None of these QBs have shown enough that I am going to be critical of the coaches for going one way or the other. However, from my own observations I suspect it will be Moore. He has clear flaws which worry me, but he's also shown more flashes and ability than Trail in the passing game. I think if his pocket presence improved and he decision making was quicker he could be a solid QB. These are big ifs, but every now and then we've seen it.

Good assessment. Of course an improved running game may make either QB look better but the offensive line is a big question mark too. My hope for this 2017 season is that what we witnessed last year was pretty good talent consistently under-performing. If that gets fixed, this team could be reasonably successful and fun to watch.

I also am thinking (and hoping) strong leadership from the new coaches will help one or both of these young men to blossom. With the previous staff, not knowing week to week who was even starting or if you were doing your job correctly quickly undermined confidence and performance. That stability alone should lead to improvement.

i wasn't the biggest bearcat fb fan early on so i'll beg some forgiveness on this topic but how reminiscent is this of the Davila/Grutza situation? i echo the sentiment that a coaching change/better coaching might help both of them out.

Interesting analogy and one I have thought of as well. Here were those players stats as Bearcats:

Davila 96 completions/164 attz (58%) 401 yds 12 TDs 5 INTs
Grutza 388/646 (60%) 4,476 yards 29 TDs 25 INTs
Ross Trail 46/70 (65%) 494 yards 1 TDs 6 INTS
H. Moore 279/480 (58%) 3,629 yards 20 TDs 18 INTS


Stats are comparable, particularly Moore and Grutza who had a lot more snaps than Davila and Trail. Moore has a much stronger arm IMHO than Dustin. Grutza was set to start for us in 2007 before Mauk came on board and if you remember he did start for us in 2008 before being injured against Oklahoma, and then replaced by Tony Pike.

(05-22-2017 11:40 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 11:24 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 11:00 AM)cpawstoney Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:41 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:22 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  None of these QBs have shown enough that I am going to be critical of the coaches for going one way or the other. However, from my own observations I suspect it will be Moore. He has clear flaws which worry me, but he's also shown more flashes and ability than Trail in the passing game. I think if his pocket presence improved and he decision making was quicker he could be a solid QB. These are big ifs, but every now and then we've seen it.

Good assessment. Of course an improved running game may make either QB look better but the offensive line is a big question mark too. My hope for this 2017 season is that what we witnessed last year was pretty good talent consistently under-performing. If that gets fixed, this team could be reasonably successful and fun to watch.

I also am thinking (and hoping) strong leadership from the new coaches will help one or both of these young men to blossom. With the previous staff, not knowing week to week who was even starting or if you were doing your job correctly quickly undermined confidence and performance. That stability alone should lead to improvement.

i wasn't the biggest bearcat fb fan early on so i'll beg some forgiveness on this topic but how reminiscent is this of the Davila/Grutza situation? i echo the sentiment that a coaching change/better coaching might help both of them out.

Interesting analogy and one I have thought of as well. Here were those players stats as Bearcats:

Davila 96 completions/164 attz (58%) 401 yds 12 TDs 5 INTs
Grutza 388/646 (60%) 4,476 yards 29 TDs 25 INTs
Ross Trail 46/70 (65%) 494 yards 1 TDs 6 INTS
H. Moore 279/480 (58%) 3,629 yards 20 TDs 18 INTS


Stats are comparable, particularly Moore and Grutza who had a lot more snaps than Davila and Trail. Moore has a much stronger arm IMHO than Dustin. Grutza was set to start for us in 2007 before Mauk came on board and if you remember he did start for us in 2008 before being injured against Oklahoma, and then replaced by Tony Pike.

i don't remember much. i remember Grutza starting but not being that effective. Dantonio's offenses being run based with care taker QBs. Davila doing well at the International bowl. i think there were some rumblings that Grutza was a staff preference but not necessarily the better QB but that might be more in hindsight then anything else. i do feel more certain about Davila's International Bowl performance being pretty solid for someone that didn't get regular first team reps and was coming under the guidance of a new coach. i'm hoping that a new coaching staff will help out both these guys.

(05-22-2017 01:47 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 11:40 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 11:24 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 11:00 AM)cpawstoney Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 10:41 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Good assessment. Of course an improved running game may make either QB look better but the offensive line is a big question mark too. My hope for this 2017 season is that what we witnessed last year was pretty good talent consistently under-performing. If that gets fixed, this team could be reasonably successful and fun to watch.

I also am thinking (and hoping) strong leadership from the new coaches will help one or both of these young men to blossom. With the previous staff, not knowing week to week who was even starting or if you were doing your job correctly quickly undermined confidence and performance. That stability alone should lead to improvement.

i wasn't the biggest bearcat fb fan early on so i'll beg some forgiveness on this topic but how reminiscent is this of the Davila/Grutza situation? i echo the sentiment that a coaching change/better coaching might help both of them out.

Interesting analogy and one I have thought of as well. Here were those players stats as Bearcats:

Davila 96 completions/164 attz (58%) 401 yds 12 TDs 5 INTs
Grutza 388/646 (60%) 4,476 yards 29 TDs 25 INTs
Ross Trail 46/70 (65%) 494 yards 1 TDs 6 INTS
H. Moore 279/480 (58%) 3,629 yards 20 TDs 18 INTS


Stats are comparable, particularly Moore and Grutza who had a lot more snaps than Davila and Trail. Moore has a much stronger arm IMHO than Dustin. Grutza was set to start for us in 2007 before Mauk came on board and if you remember he did start for us in 2008 before being injured against Oklahoma, and then replaced by Tony Pike.

i don't remember much. i remember Grutza starting but not being that effective. Dantonio's offenses being run based with care taker QBs. Davila doing well at the International bowl. i think there were some rumblings that Grutza was a staff preference but not necessarily the better QB but that might be more in hindsight then anything else. i do feel more certain about Davila's International Bowl performance being pretty solid for someone that didn't get regular first team reps and was coming under the guidance of a new coach. i'm hoping that a new coaching staff will help out both these guys.

Grutza had a lot of heart...not much arm, but a lot of heart. He did develop his arm over a couple of years, but he was never going to be the QB who beat you with the "lightning arm." He did learn, IMO, his limitations, however, and his decision-making really improved.

Nick Davilla had a much stronger arm, but there had to be a reason why he didn't achieve "Starter" status under Dantonio. He got significant playing time in the "International Bowl," under Kelly, but we had a big lead over Western Michigan when he came in (in the 2nd Quarter) and it was a much closer game when he came back out. I thought the switch derailed both Grutza and Davilla because the QB position is much more a "rhythm" position than some of the others.

Pike always had "Happy Feet." It used to drive me nuts. That first drive in the Orange Bowl was one of the places where Pike set his feet and really threw the ball well. When he set his feet he could really zip the ball, but all too often he danced around...and I think also was too quick to switch off his planned receivers to go to the 2nd or 3rd...and that often caused his passes to float and sail.

The best overall QB we have seen in the modern era was Ben Mauk. He had the whole package...arm, mind, and technique...but of course he was coming off that devastating injury. I wish he had gotten that extra year to heal and re-develop...but things are what they are.

I also wish we could have gotten his little brother. I know Matty has had a lot of problems, but one wonders if he had been in a different place with different coaches, what might have been. But of course, he would have been playing under our former HC...and I'm not sure that would have been anything good.

(05-22-2017 10:22 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  None of these QBs have shown enough that I am going to be critical of the coaches for going one way or the other. However, from my own observations, I suspect it will be Moore. He has clear flaws which worry me, but he's also shown more flashes and ability than Trail in the passing game. I think if his pocket presence improved and his decision making was quicker he could be a solid QB. These are big ifs, but every now and then we've seen it.

I think if he is given an offense like Kelly's where the QB's were given key defenders on each play to follow and use to make decisions Moore could be a very serviceable QB. Basically, watch this guy if he takes the slot receiver check the long out. If that's not there dump the ball off or run. I suspect we are going to see that type of offense again which we really haven't seen since Kelly. Adjustments to fit the players on hand will also be done.