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RE: CBS SPORTS TO REMAIN HOME OF ANNUAL ARMY-NAVY FOOTBALL CLASSIC THROUGH 2028
(05-18-2017 01:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-18-2017 01:38 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I found this from the original Navy joining the Big East. You have to think there must have been an extension clause that allowed Navy to keep the game. Only question is it one time only or renewable end of each contract? I find it ironic, Aresco represented CBS at that time.

From the article

"The Army-Navy game remains on that second Saturday in December," he said.

Gladchuk also said that Navy's television deals with CBS and CBS Sports Network had to be accommodated by the Big East.

"Partnership with CBS was one of the reasons this agreement took a little time to finalize," he said.

CBS owns the TV rights to the Army-Navy game and Navy's home games against Notre Dame through 2018. Navy has a separate deal with CBS Sports Network for the TV rights to its other home games that runs through 2017.

"We have a great relationship with the academies, and our deals will be grandfathered for the length of our contracts" said Mike Aresco, executive vice president for programming at CBS Sports.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...tball-2015

Im telling you, Aresco has been saying for years that the Army-Navy game would be part of the new package---and it may be. Just because its been renewed separately doesn't necessarily mean the money isn't going into the shared pot (similar to Boise's ESPN deal). Of course, it also doesn't mean it IS going into the same pot either. Just don't know yet. My inclination is to think it is not being shared---but I base that more on a prior AAC history of negative outcomes when it comes to media more than any real facts.

AC, I agree with you that Aresco has infered that Army/Navy would be part of the TV package.

Please note, I simply was saying you think the contract may have had an extension clause since most do. Not saying there was one but if Aresco is the wheeler and dealer everyone says he is, you have to think when he was at CBS he made it the best possible deal for them. You would also think, since he made the comments in the article, he should know the contract. From the article, it sounded like the Big East/AAC was getting nothing from the existing contract.

You think Aresco would be out in front of this to keep the AAC fans from wondering. I can't think of any Power Conference that would allow a team to play an OOC rival and not have it shared in the confernece. You think Aresco would address it sooner than later.
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RE: CBS SPORTS TO REMAIN HOME OF ANNUAL ARMY-NAVY FOOTBALL CLASSIC THROUGH 2028
(05-18-2017 01:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-18-2017 01:38 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I found this from the original Navy joining the Big East. You have to think there must have been an extension clause that allowed Navy to keep the game. Only question is it one time only or renewable end of each contract? I find it ironic, Aresco represented CBS at that time.

From the article

"The Army-Navy game remains on that second Saturday in December," he said.

Gladchuk also said that Navy's television deals with CBS and CBS Sports Network had to be accommodated by the Big East.

"Partnership with CBS was one of the reasons this agreement took a little time to finalize," he said.

CBS owns the TV rights to the Army-Navy game and Navy's home games against Notre Dame through 2018. Navy has a separate deal with CBS Sports Network for the TV rights to its other home games that runs through 2017.

"We have a great relationship with the academies, and our deals will be grandfathered for the length of our contracts" said Mike Aresco, executive vice president for programming at CBS Sports.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...tball-2015

Im telling you, Aresco has been saying for years that the Army-Navy game would be part of the new package---and it may be. Just because its been renewed separately doesn't necessarily mean the money isn't going into the shared pot (similar to Boise's ESPN deal). Of course, it also doesn't mean it IS going into the same pot either. Just don't know yet. My inclination is to think it is not being shared---but I base that more on a prior AAC history of negative outcomes when it comes to media more than any real facts.

Exactly It is/was not part of ESPN deal and is due to be renegotiated.
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Not good news for the AAC contract, IMO.

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(05-19-2017 07:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Not good news for the AAC contract, IMO.

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Well, it's not good news, but it's also not terrible news either. It's one less block that Aresco can argue with networks to say they are deserving of substantial raise. The AAC will, however, get the every-other-year matchup of ND/Navy, but that alone isn't enough to demand such an increase.

At the end of the day, the highest rated matchups the AAC has offered have been OOC matchups (Houston/OU, Houston/UL, Temple/ND, etc.). If the argument for more money is that the AAC can bring eyeballs when playing big-time opponents, I feel that the AAC is due for a let-down. The AAC needs to start getting better viewership and attendance from within the conference slate, and not depend on big OOC matchups to drive perception.
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(05-19-2017 07:54 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 07:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Not good news for the AAC contract, IMO.

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Well, it's not good news, but it's also not terrible news either. It's one less block that Aresco can argue with networks to say they are deserving of substantial raise. The AAC will, however, get the every-other-year matchup of ND/Navy, but that alone isn't enough to demand such an increase.

At the end of the day, the highest rated matchups the AAC has offered have been OOC matchups (Houston/OU, Houston/UL, Temple/ND, etc.). If the argument for more money is that the AAC can bring eyeballs when playing big-time opponents, I feel that the AAC is due for a let-down. The AAC needs to start getting better viewership and attendance from within the conference slate, and not depend on big OOC matchups to drive perception.
I doubt the AAC will get the ND/Navy games when Navy is the 'home' team.
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(05-19-2017 07:54 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 07:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Not good news for the AAC contract, IMO.

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Well, it's not good news, but it's also not terrible news either. It's one less block that Aresco can argue with networks to say they are deserving of substantial raise. The AAC will, however, get the every-other-year matchup of ND/Navy, but that alone isn't enough to demand such an increase.

At the end of the day, the highest rated matchups the AAC has offered have been OOC matchups (Houston/OU, Houston/UL, Temple/ND, etc.). If the argument for more money is that the AAC can bring eyeballs when playing big-time opponents, I feel that the AAC is due for a let-down. The AAC needs to start getting better viewership and attendance from within the conference slate, and not depend on big OOC matchups to drive perception.

To be fair, we had 32 games per Aresco that were over 1 million viewers over the last 3 seasons. I havent done a 3 season audit, but I did count them back in 2015 and I know the million+ viewer games that season were split 50-50 between OOC and conference games. So, while the OOC games are certainly a significant part of the viewing draw---the conference has proven capable of drawing interest for its better "in conference" matchups.
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(05-19-2017 08:33 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 07:54 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 07:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Not good news for the AAC contract, IMO.

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Well, it's not good news, but it's also not terrible news either. It's one less block that Aresco can argue with networks to say they are deserving of substantial raise. The AAC will, however, get the every-other-year matchup of ND/Navy, but that alone isn't enough to demand such an increase.

At the end of the day, the highest rated matchups the AAC has offered have been OOC matchups (Houston/OU, Houston/UL, Temple/ND, etc.). If the argument for more money is that the AAC can bring eyeballs when playing big-time opponents, I feel that the AAC is due for a let-down. The AAC needs to start getting better viewership and attendance from within the conference slate, and not depend on big OOC matchups to drive perception.
I doubt the AAC will get the ND/Navy games when Navy is the 'home' team.

The top AAC games for viewership in 2016--OK-Houston, 5.6 million, Memphis-Houston, 3.06 million, Houston-Louisville, 2.4 million, Navy-Notre Dame, 2.4 million, and Temple-Navy 2.0
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(05-18-2017 01:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Im telling you, Aresco has been saying for years that the Army-Navy game would be part of the new package---and it may be. Just because its been renewed separately doesn't necessarily mean the money isn't going into the shared pot (similar to Boise's ESPN deal). Of course, it also doesn't mean it IS going into the same pot either. Just don't know yet. My inclination is to think it is not being shared---but I base that more on a prior AAC history of negative outcomes when it comes to media more than any real facts.

.... so if Navy isn't sharing this renewal money with the AAC, that would be yet another Aresco failure.

But I agree at this point it's an "if", because as you say we don't know for sure whether Navy is sharing or not. But if they aren't ...
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(05-18-2017 03:03 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(05-18-2017 01:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-18-2017 01:38 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I found this from the original Navy joining the Big East. You have to think there must have been an extension clause that allowed Navy to keep the game. Only question is it one time only or renewable end of each contract? I find it ironic, Aresco represented CBS at that time.

From the article

"The Army-Navy game remains on that second Saturday in December," he said.

Gladchuk also said that Navy's television deals with CBS and CBS Sports Network had to be accommodated by the Big East.

"Partnership with CBS was one of the reasons this agreement took a little time to finalize," he said.

CBS owns the TV rights to the Army-Navy game and Navy's home games against Notre Dame through 2018. Navy has a separate deal with CBS Sports Network for the TV rights to its other home games that runs through 2017.

"We have a great relationship with the academies, and our deals will be grandfathered for the length of our contracts" said Mike Aresco, executive vice president for programming at CBS Sports.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...tball-2015

Im telling you, Aresco has been saying for years that the Army-Navy game would be part of the new package---and it may be. Just because its been renewed separately doesn't necessarily mean the money isn't going into the shared pot (similar to Boise's ESPN deal). Of course, it also doesn't mean it IS going into the same pot either. Just don't know yet. My inclination is to think it is not being shared---but I base that more on a prior AAC history of negative outcomes when it comes to media more than any real facts.

AC, I agree with you that Aresco has infered that Army/Navy would be part of the TV package.

Please note, I simply was saying you think the contract may have had an extension clause since most do. Not saying there was one but if Aresco is the wheeler and dealer everyone says he is, you have to think when he was at CBS he made it the best possible deal for them. You would also think, since he made the comments in the article, he should know the contract. From the article, it sounded like the Big East/AAC was getting nothing from the existing contract.

You think Aresco would be out in front of this to keep the AAC fans from wondering. I can't think of any Power Conference that would allow a team to play an OOC rival and not have it shared in the confernece. You think Aresco would address it sooner than later.

Let's think about Aresco's modus as commissioner these past 5 years: If anything happens that can possibly, even in the most tenuous way, be touted as some kind of positive for the AAC, he trumpets it to high heaven.

But, if something happens that is negative, he either ignores it until somehow cornered point-blank by an interviewer, or else pooh-poohs it as trivial despite its apparent negative nature. But he doesn't seem to go out of his way to proactively talk about it.

Which makes his silence so far ominous. Sure, as Attackcoog says, maybe Navy is sharing their share of the dough with the rest of us, we just don't know. But IMO, Aresco's silence is ominous.
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(05-20-2017 05:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-18-2017 03:03 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(05-18-2017 01:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-18-2017 01:38 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I found this from the original Navy joining the Big East. You have to think there must have been an extension clause that allowed Navy to keep the game. Only question is it one time only or renewable end of each contract? I find it ironic, Aresco represented CBS at that time.

From the article

"The Army-Navy game remains on that second Saturday in December," he said.

Gladchuk also said that Navy's television deals with CBS and CBS Sports Network had to be accommodated by the Big East.

"Partnership with CBS was one of the reasons this agreement took a little time to finalize," he said.

CBS owns the TV rights to the Army-Navy game and Navy's home games against Notre Dame through 2018. Navy has a separate deal with CBS Sports Network for the TV rights to its other home games that runs through 2017.

"We have a great relationship with the academies, and our deals will be grandfathered for the length of our contracts" said Mike Aresco, executive vice president for programming at CBS Sports.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...tball-2015

Im telling you, Aresco has been saying for years that the Army-Navy game would be part of the new package---and it may be. Just because its been renewed separately doesn't necessarily mean the money isn't going into the shared pot (similar to Boise's ESPN deal). Of course, it also doesn't mean it IS going into the same pot either. Just don't know yet. My inclination is to think it is not being shared---but I base that more on a prior AAC history of negative outcomes when it comes to media more than any real facts.

AC, I agree with you that Aresco has infered that Army/Navy would be part of the TV package.

Please note, I simply was saying you think the contract may have had an extension clause since most do. Not saying there was one but if Aresco is the wheeler and dealer everyone says he is, you have to think when he was at CBS he made it the best possible deal for them. You would also think, since he made the comments in the article, he should know the contract. From the article, it sounded like the Big East/AAC was getting nothing from the existing contract.

You think Aresco would be out in front of this to keep the AAC fans from wondering. I can't think of any Power Conference that would allow a team to play an OOC rival and not have it shared in the confernece. You think Aresco would address it sooner than later.

Let's think about Aresco's modus as commissioner these past 5 years: If anything happens that can possibly, even in the most tenuous way, be touted as some kind of positive for the AAC, he trumpets it to high heaven.

But, if something happens that is negative, he either ignores it until somehow cornered point-blank by an interviewer, or else pooh-poohs it as trivial despite its apparent negative nature. But he doesn't seem to go out of his way to proactively talk about it.

Which makes his silence so far ominous. Sure, as Attackcoog says, maybe Navy is sharing their share of the dough with the rest of us, we just don't know. But IMO, Aresco's silence is ominous.

To be fair, no commissioner talks about he financial details of tv deals. That said, I doubt the money is being shared. I agtee---if this were a positive for future revenue, Aresco would have said so (though he would not have said what the amount is). In a related note I find interesting---I've not heard a peep about the amount CBS is paying. i bet we'd have a number to kick around if McMurphy was still employed.
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