Spend like UH. Fill your fb stadium like ECU and play MBB like UConn, Memphis and SMU. Stay the course.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

https://twitter.com/american_conf/status...0480454656

(05-19-2017 05:18 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  The AAC's main issue insofar as P6 inclusion seems to be athletic budgets, doesn't it? Does any school in the AAC have a budget anywhere close to 100MM?

Legit question, not flaming at all

A lot of it had to do with how badly the AAC was decimated in realignment. Some didn't think the conference would last more than a few years.

The G5 slot is an autobid. The G5 has proved as a unit over the last 10-15 years that it has enough quality to warrant an annual slot.

The AAC has only played in the G5 slot 1 of 3 years. If it was 2 of 3 or 3 of 3 the case would be a lot stronger to have a slot by 2020.

(05-19-2017 05:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 05:18 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  The AAC's main issue insofar as P6 inclusion seems to be athletic budgets, doesn't it? Does any school in the AAC have a budget anywhere close to 100MM?

Legit question, not flaming at all

uconn has 70 mil, more than the majoriy of p5, and uconn doesnt have p5 tv money. only about 3 p5 make 100m...lets not give all of them that credit

facts are your mortal enemy

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

UConn is not close to having a budget ahead of "the majority of the P5"

they are #48 out of 53 on that list so the 12 private schools are not on there

anyone with a brain would know they are not close to being ahead of ND, they are also not ahead of TCU or Baylor.....they are not going to be close to Stanford and I would doubt they are ahead of any but a couple of the other P5s on that list

so at best they would be about the #56 or #57 budget out of the 65 P5 schools so not only are they nowhere close to being ahead of "the majority" they would be in the lowest levels of the P5 with that budget

and it is difficult to ignore the $28 million in academic side subsidies that is only closely matched by Rutgers in the P5 @ $24 million so still $4 million less and the next closest P5 from there would be ASU @ $19.4 million

then there is the fact that well over "only about 3 P5s make $100 million" because 11 do so with ZERO academic side subsidies

and 12 others would still have over $100 million in revenues if you excluded 100% of their academic subsidy only Louisville would be out of the $100 million list without the academic side subsidy

so that means 22 P5 programs have $100 million in revenues with zero academic side subsidy included and that is without ND and Stanford included and ND has over $100 million for sure and Stanford most likely as well

so you were only about 23 teams away from UConn being above the "majority" of P5 programs @ $70 million (or even $78 million) in revenue and you were only off by about 20 on the number of teams with $100+ million in revenues and that would be even excluding their academic side subsidy

(05-19-2017 10:00 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 05:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 05:18 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  The AAC's main issue insofar as P6 inclusion seems to be athletic budgets, doesn't it? Does any school in the AAC have a budget anywhere close to 100MM?

Legit question, not flaming at all

uconn has 70 mil, more than the majoriy of p5, and uconn doesnt have p5 tv money. only about 3 p5 make 100m...lets not give all of them that credit

facts are your mortal enemy

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

UConn is not close to having a budget ahead of "the majority of the P5"

they are #48 out of 53 on that list so the 12 private schools are not on there

anyone with a brain would know they are not close to being ahead of ND, they are also not ahead of TCU or Baylor.....they are not going to be close to Stanford and I would doubt they are ahead of any but a couple of the other P5s on that list

so at best they would be about the #56 or #57 budget out of the 65 P5 schools so not only are they nowhere close to being ahead of "the majority" they would be in the lowest levels of the P5 with that budget

and it is difficult to ignore the $28 million in academic side subsidies that is only closely matched by Rutgers in the P5 @ $24 million so still $4 million less and the next closest P5 from there would be ASU @ $19.4 million

then there is the fact that well over "only about 3 P5s make $100 million" because 11 do so with ZERO academic side subsidies

and 12 others would still have over $100 million in revenues if you excluded 100% of their academic subsidy only Louisville would be out of the $100 million list without the academic side subsidy

so that means 22 P5 programs have $100 million in revenues with zero academic side subsidy included and that is without ND and Stanford included and ND has over $100 million for sure and Stanford most likely as well

so you were only about 23 teams away from UConn being above the "majority" of P5 programs @ $70 million (or even $78 million) in revenue and you were only off by about 20 on the number of teams with $100+ million in revenues and that would be even excluding their academic side subsidy

my favorite todge!...i wasnt being specific but simply referencing that uconn makes a ton and few make over a 100 mil..also that link you posted is newer that the one is saw, as texas not a&m was #1..they update since i saw it last

but i do love your always extra long and super bias statement...

you are that one person who will throw extreme bias into an argument by only showing information in an extremely one sides way to fit your narrative, then pretend its the whole picture by trying to make it sound smart

i was going in generalization, if you want to givein detail argument why not reference the difference in received revenue...you point out uconns 24 mil subsidy while ignoring the over 40mil difference in revenue distribution p5 get (tv and ncaa shares)..this is why no one takes your rants seriously.. you think you are being smart..but anyone who actually reads your posts and even kinda knowledgeable about it always notices your wholes and bias

remember that 1800 word debate we had about how you gave detailed reasoning how UH can't do anything to stop ut-houston, only a few weeks later to have it completely shut down by UH
good times you let your bias of wanting uh to be powerless blind you

Yeah rodge you really looked the fool when UT had to pull out of Houston and all you could do is disappear and a good job you did, now disappear again why don't ya...

(05-20-2017 09:21 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Yeah rodge you really looked the fool when UT had to pull out of Houston and all you could do is disappear and a good job you did, now disappear again why don't ya...

property is still not sold and people are waking up to the value of the project

kind of like the fools that thought dem coogs doh were a lock for the Big 12

wait until it is all settled

and how is there any "bias" in showing that UConn does not come close to having a budget above "the majority" of the P5 or that there are 23 teams with revenues over $100 million even excluding any subsidies

all the "bias" was towards taking away and ridiculous attempts to go back on that clearly wrong claim by removing subsidies and by giving credit to UConn for perhaps being ahead of some of e private schools not listed

(05-20-2017 02:27 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:21 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Yeah rodge you really looked the fool when UT had to pull out of Houston and all you could do is disappear and a good job you did, now disappear again why don't ya...

property is still not sold and people are waking up to the value of the project

kind of like the fools that thought dem coogs doh were a lock for the Big 12

wait until it is all settled

and how is there any "bias" in showing that UConn does not come close to having a budget above "the majority" of the P5 or that there are 23 teams with revenues over $100 million even excluding any subsidies

all the "bias" was towards taking away and ridiculous attempts to go back on that clearly wrong claim by removing subsidies and by giving credit to UConn for perhaps being ahead of some of e private schools not listed

first off no one ever said houston was a lock...if i remember correctly on the big12 forum (where you dont even attempt to hide your bias)..the debates was that if the big 12 expands houston has a good chance...you debated that we had none what so ever, that other teams would be taken if a team had to be taken

no team was taken so im not sure what point was proven

(05-20-2017 03:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 02:27 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:21 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Yeah rodge you really looked the fool when UT had to pull out of Houston and all you could do is disappear and a good job you did, now disappear again why don't ya...

property is still not sold and people are waking up to the value of the project

kind of like the fools that thought dem coogs doh were a lock for the Big 12

wait until it is all settled

and how is there any "bias" in showing that UConn does not come close to having a budget above "the majority" of the P5 or that there are 23 teams with revenues over $100 million even excluding any subsidies

all the "bias" was towards taking away and ridiculous attempts to go back on that clearly wrong claim by removing subsidies and by giving credit to UConn for perhaps being ahead of some of e private schools not listed

first off no one ever said houston was a lock...if i remember correctly on the big12 forum (where you dont even attempt to hide your bias)..the debates was that if the big 12 expands houston has a good chance...you debated that we had none what so ever, that other teams would be taken if a team had to be taken

no team was taken so im not sure what point was proven

I debated that there was zero benefit to the Big 12 with expansion

it was a net negative in per team revenues for existing teams unless new teams were given awful terms that only a fool would agree to and that would make the conference weaker overall, the CCG does not require 12 teams and a much better short and long term solution for the Big 12 is to play fewer conference games and schedule accordingly in the OOC

and possibly offer a scheduling agreement with no money and no membership to BYU

(05-20-2017 04:08 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 03:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 02:27 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 09:21 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Yeah rodge you really looked the fool when UT had to pull out of Houston and all you could do is disappear and a good job you did, now disappear again why don't ya...

property is still not sold and people are waking up to the value of the project

kind of like the fools that thought dem coogs doh were a lock for the Big 12

wait until it is all settled

and how is there any "bias" in showing that UConn does not come close to having a budget above "the majority" of the P5 or that there are 23 teams with revenues over $100 million even excluding any subsidies

all the "bias" was towards taking away and ridiculous attempts to go back on that clearly wrong claim by removing subsidies and by giving credit to UConn for perhaps being ahead of some of e private schools not listed

first off no one ever said houston was a lock...if i remember correctly on the big12 forum (where you dont even attempt to hide your bias)..the debates was that if the big 12 expands houston has a good chance...you debated that we had none what so ever, that other teams would be taken if a team had to be taken

no team was taken so im not sure what point was proven

I debated that there was zero benefit to the Big 12 with expansion

it was a net negative in per team revenues for existing teams unless new teams were given awful terms that only a fool would agree to and that would make the conference weaker overall, the CCG does not require 12 teams and a much better short and long term solution for the Big 12 is to play fewer conference games and schedule accordingly in the OOC

and possibly offer a scheduling agreement with no money and no membership to BYU

Lol. Believe me. It's a short term solution. Enjoy the last days of the Big12-2.

As for UT-Houston, I told you it was dead long before the plug was officially pulled. There is a small chance that one of the ideas pushed by the exploratory committee might be revived. The data center was a good idea. But you don't need to a build a multi-billion dollar campus to create a meta-data center hub. Look for that idea to re-emerge as a data research center on the UH Research Park property where the institutional infrastructure needed to support such a project already exists. It would be much cheaper and would be up and running much faster by piggy banking on the existing research park.

Yeah !

(05-18-2017 08:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/d...ix/2324288

If somehow we were to achieve “P6” status, this unlikely accomplishment would be undone by the refurbished B12. In fact, if WV is left behind, ever school in the American would likely get an invite along with our commissioner….

No I think you got it backwards, if all those schools leave the big12 then the AAC will be the dominant conference between the two

(05-22-2017 07:08 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  No I think you got it backwards, if all those schools leave the big12 then the AAC will be the dominant conference between the two

There is a conference hierarchy is college sports, which is why Cincy, UCONN, and USF were able to dismantle CUSA into the SBC despite not having a name and being unstable. Those three schools were not going to abase themselves by joining G4 conferences that were perceived as being lower in status. Consequently, they decided to elevate certain schools to where they were in the hierarchy of college sports conferences. The elevated schools are subsequently in a conference that’s perceived by many to be better than all of the other G4 conferences.

With that said, the B12 is above us in the conference hierarchy of college sports. They also know the history of how this conference was formed and that almost every school would leave in lifeboats to rescue a sinking B12 ship…. Moreover, the schools in this conference would likely be locked into a tv contract—but if they joined the rebuilt B12, a new and better contract would likely be negotiated. The B12 would also be in the best position to assemble a true “tweener” conference that so many here claim that we are. Furthermore, do you really think Houston, Memphis, Cincy, SMU, etc… would risk turning down an invite only to have another school take their spot? Thus, to simplify matters and avoid exit fees, I truly believe that ever school in this conference would be invited along with the commissioner—especially if WV is one of the B12 leftovers.

However, let’s just say for the sake of discussion that all the schools in this conference turn down a B12 invite. The B12 leftovers would simple invite schools from the MWC, CUSA, and the MAC before abasing themselves (regarding perception) by joining our conference. Therefore, I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding having “it backwards”….

(05-22-2017 08:45 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 07:08 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  No I think you got it backwards, if all those schools leave the big12 then the AAC will be the dominant conference between the two

There is a conference hierarchy is college sports, which is why Cincy, UCONN, and USF were able to dismantle CUSA into the SBC despite not having a name and being unstable. Those three schools were not going to abase themselves by joining G4 conferences that were perceived as being lower in status. Consequently, they decided to elevate certain schools to where they were in the hierarchy of college sports conferences. The elevated schools are subsequently in a conference that’s perceived by many to be better than all of the other G4 conferences.

With that said, the B12 is above us in the conference hierarchy of college sports. They also know the history of how this conference was formed and that almost every school would leave in lifeboats to rescue a sinking B12 ship…. Moreover, the schools in this conference would likely be locked into a tv contract—but if they joined the rebuilt B12, a new and better contract would likely be negotiated. The B12 would also be in the best position to assemble a true “tweener” conference that so many here claim that we are. Furthermore, do you really think Houston, Memphis, Cincy, SMU, etc… would risk turning down an invite only to have another school take their spot? Thus, to simplify matters and avoid exit fees, I truly believe that ever school in this conference would be invited along with the commissioner—especially if WV is one of the B12 leftovers.

However, let’s just say for the sake of discussion that all the schools in this conference turn down a B12 invite. The B12 leftovers would simple invite schools from the MWC, CUSA, and the MAC before abasing themselves (regarding perception) by joining our conference. Therefore, I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding having “it backwards”….

Exactly right. In 2010, when Texas, OU and 4 other Big 12 teams were seriously negotiating to move to the Pac 10 (and came within days of sealing the deal), the remaining teams started scrambling.

Some of them discussed merging with the Big East, but in the end, the NCAA assured them they could retain AQ status, so their plan was to add teams from the Big East and elsewhere, and rebuild the Big 12.

Even if the Big 12 fell to 3 teams, let's say, they would, as you suggested, emulate USF, UC and UConn when they were left behind, and simply rebuild their own conference with teams from conferences below them, rather than merging with us, or somehow falling behind us in the hierarchy.

(05-22-2017 08:45 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 07:08 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  No I think you got it backwards, if all those schools leave the big12 then the AAC will be the dominant conference between the two

There is a conference hierarchy is college sports, which is why Cincy, UCONN, and USF were able to dismantle CUSA into the SBC despite not having a name and being unstable. Those three schools were not going to abase themselves by joining G4 conferences that were perceived as being lower in status. Consequently, they decided to elevate certain schools to where they were in the hierarchy of college sports conferences. The elevated schools are subsequently in a conference that’s perceived by many to be better than all of the other G4 conferences.

With that said, the B12 is above us in the conference hierarchy of college sports. They also know the history of how this conference was formed and that almost every school would leave in lifeboats to rescue a sinking B12 ship…. Moreover, the schools in this conference would likely be locked into a tv contract—but if they joined the rebuilt B12, a new and better contract would likely be negotiated. The B12 would also be in the best position to assemble a true “tweener” conference that so many here claim that we are. Furthermore, do you really think Houston, Memphis, Cincy, SMU, etc… would risk turning down an invite only to have another school take their spot? Thus, to simplify matters and avoid exit fees, I truly believe that ever school in this conference would be invited along with the commissioner—especially if WV is one of the B12 leftovers.

However, let’s just say for the sake of discussion that all the schools in this conference turn down a B12 invite. The B12 leftovers would simple invite schools from the MWC, CUSA, and the MAC before abasing themselves (regarding perception) by joining our conference. Therefore, I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding having “it backwards”….

This is true and there's also a more tangible reason: the hypothetical leftovers in the Big 12 would have the benefit of exit fees, left-behind NCAA Tournament credits and other payments that defectors have made (similar to the breakdown of the old Big East) along with in-place contracts with bowls and TV networks (which might ultimately be renegotiated, but there's at least a buoy period). As a result, the leftovers from the Big 12 could still offer more money (and that's really all that matters in conference realignment). That's why I say that s**t ALWAYS runs downhill in conference realignment. A conference is more likely to die entirely (see the SWC and WAC) than leapfrog a league that's ahead of it.

(05-22-2017 09:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 08:45 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 07:08 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  No I think you got it backwards, if all those schools leave the big12 then the AAC will be the dominant conference between the two

There is a conference hierarchy is college sports, which is why Cincy, UCONN, and USF were able to dismantle CUSA into the SBC despite not having a name and being unstable. Those three schools were not going to abase themselves by joining G4 conferences that were perceived as being lower in status. Consequently, they decided to elevate certain schools to where they were in the hierarchy of college sports conferences. The elevated schools are subsequently in a conference that’s perceived by many to be better than all of the other G4 conferences.

With that said, the B12 is above us in the conference hierarchy of college sports. They also know the history of how this conference was formed and that almost every school would leave in lifeboats to rescue a sinking B12 ship…. Moreover, the schools in this conference would likely be locked into a tv contract—but if they joined the rebuilt B12, a new and better contract would likely be negotiated. The B12 would also be in the best position to assemble a true “tweener” conference that so many here claim that we are. Furthermore, do you really think Houston, Memphis, Cincy, SMU, etc… would risk turning down an invite only to have another school take their spot? Thus, to simplify matters and avoid exit fees, I truly believe that ever school in this conference would be invited along with the commissioner—especially if WV is one of the B12 leftovers.

However, let’s just say for the sake of discussion that all the schools in this conference turn down a B12 invite. The B12 leftovers would simple invite schools from the MWC, CUSA, and the MAC before abasing themselves (regarding perception) by joining our conference. Therefore, I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding having “it backwards”….

This is true and there's also a more tangible reason: the hypothetical leftovers in the Big 12 would have the benefit of exit fees, left-behind NCAA Tournament credits and other payments that defectors have made (similar to the breakdown of the old Big East) along with in-place contracts with bowls and TV networks (which might ultimately be renegotiated, but there's at least a buoy period). As a result, the leftovers from the Big 12 could still offer more money (and that's really all that matters in conference realignment). That's why I say that s**t ALWAYS runs downhill in conference realignment. A conference is more likely to die entirely (see the SWC and WAC) than leapfrog a league that's ahead of it.

And, frankly, the Big 12 leftovers could provide the opportunity for the original AAC nucleus to get a do-over and cut the football dead weight.

(05-22-2017 09:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 08:45 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 07:08 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  No I think you got it backwards, if all those schools leave the big12 then the AAC will be the dominant conference between the two

There is a conference hierarchy is college sports, which is why Cincy, UCONN, and USF were able to dismantle CUSA into the SBC despite not having a name and being unstable. Those three schools were not going to abase themselves by joining G4 conferences that were perceived as being lower in status. Consequently, they decided to elevate certain schools to where they were in the hierarchy of college sports conferences. The elevated schools are subsequently in a conference that’s perceived by many to be better than all of the other G4 conferences.

With that said, the B12 is above us in the conference hierarchy of college sports. They also know the history of how this conference was formed and that almost every school would leave in lifeboats to rescue a sinking B12 ship…. Moreover, the schools in this conference would likely be locked into a tv contract—but if they joined the rebuilt B12, a new and better contract would likely be negotiated. The B12 would also be in the best position to assemble a true “tweener” conference that so many here claim that we are. Furthermore, do you really think Houston, Memphis, Cincy, SMU, etc… would risk turning down an invite only to have another school take their spot? Thus, to simplify matters and avoid exit fees, I truly believe that ever school in this conference would be invited along with the commissioner—especially if WV is one of the B12 leftovers.

However, let’s just say for the sake of discussion that all the schools in this conference turn down a B12 invite. The B12 leftovers would simple invite schools from the MWC, CUSA, and the MAC before abasing themselves (regarding perception) by joining our conference. Therefore, I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding having “it backwards”….

This is true and there's also a more tangible reason: the hypothetical leftovers in the Big 12 would have the benefit of exit fees, left-behind NCAA Tournament credits and other payments that defectors have made (similar to the breakdown of the old Big East) along with in-place contracts with bowls and TV networks (which might ultimately be renegotiated, but there's at least a buoy period). As a result, the leftovers from the Big 12 could still offer more money (and that's really all that matters in conference realignment). That's why I say that s**t ALWAYS runs downhill in conference realignment. A conference is more likely to die entirely (see the SWC and WAC) than leapfrog a league that's ahead of it.

Exactly. Not to mention they would still have thier status as an autonomous conference along with having thier vote more heavily weighted in NCAA D1 matters.

Well I seem to be out numbered here, but many changes will happen and I speculate Arisco will get a great TV package money deal and the AAC will be the only tweeter left standing