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RE: Baylor in serious jeopardy-horrible allegations, again
I think death penalty would be hard to make stick. To do it you have to basically convince Baylor to accept it in lieu of the two other options that are available.

1. Termination of membership for failing to meet the athletic and academic standards of the Association. Can only be done with proper notice delivered by November prior to the NCAA Convention and two-thirds of the Association members have to vote in favor of termination. Requires similar 2/3rds vote to be restored.
2. Suspension of membership, similar to the process of termination. Can be reinstated after six months if the school has complied with any conditions imposed as part of the suspension. Requires either majority vote of the Board of Directors or majority vote of the membership to reinstate.
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BYU is just Baylor-lite or Liberty-of-the-West.
It's a church owned school that protects its reputation using a backwards honor code office to police, intimidate, and expel rape victims.
The BigXII might be stupid enough to make that trade.
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RE: Baylor in serious jeopardy-horrible allegations, again
(05-17-2017 01:31 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-17-2017 12:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I don't think that the NCAA has enough political cover to give a death sentence if it wanted to, and that's sad.

Killing SMU (small private school) for rampant cheating, slapping PSU (massive public school) on the wrist for systematically looking the other way w/ regards to child ****, and then killing Baylor (small private school) for **** screams "corruption." That belief that the NCAA has been so mismanaged in the past that it can't punish a school for allowing ****s today is sad.

I agree, which is why Baylor need to do the right thing and give themselves a death sentence. Of course that won't happen. The whole situation is sad.

By the way, didn't Liberty just hire a new AD from the Baylor?
Yes Liberty did, and I lost all respect for that university.
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RE: Baylor in serious jeopardy-horrible allegations, again
(05-17-2017 02:46 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  
(05-17-2017 01:31 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-17-2017 12:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I don't think that the NCAA has enough political cover to give a death sentence if it wanted to, and that's sad.

Killing SMU (small private school) for rampant cheating, slapping PSU (massive public school) on the wrist for systematically looking the other way w/ regards to child ****, and then killing Baylor (small private school) for **** screams "corruption." That belief that the NCAA has been so mismanaged in the past that it can't punish a school for allowing ****s today is sad.

I agree, which is why Baylor need to do the right thing and give themselves a death sentence. Of course that won't happen. The whole situation is sad.

By the way, didn't Liberty just hire a new AD from the Baylor?
Yes Liberty did, and I lost all respect for that university.

They hired the Deputy AD from Baylor as well.
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(05-17-2017 01:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  IMO they would just stay at 9, divide the money further, brag about money per team and how successful the B12 now is.... and continue to wait out their contract before everyone scrambles for the exit because they know what a house of smoke and mirrors they have

That pretty much null and voids the GoR. And on that note, the doors fling wide open.

The only thing that doesn't rip up the contract is status quo. In this case, Baylor basically has to do nothing, as awful as that sounds, and tell their holders/captors: do something about it. But, there's nothing Baylor can really do about it themselves except let it all play out in front of them. They HAVE to be reactionary to any possible athletic operations suspension (and I think this is what happens...football shutters for a year or two). If they act first, they would technically be in breach of the contracts. It gets worse for them actually doing anything, noble or not so.
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(05-17-2017 11:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(05-17-2017 11:42 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Link:

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/lawsuit-baylo.../440463956


Another civil lawsuit was filed against Baylor Tuesday by a former volleyball player, who claims she was the victim of a brutal gang rape that the University failed to address.

The victim said she was raped by as many as eight Baylor football players on Feb. 11, 2012. That was approximately a month before two more female Baylor students were allegedly gang raped by football players, as has previously been reported.

According to the new lawsuit, the plaintiff was repeatedly harassed by football players as late as May 2013. In July, her mother met with an assistant football coach at a Waco restaurant, where the mother provided a list of players allegedly involved in the gang rape, according to the lawsuit.

Two months later, the University broke ground on McLane Stadium. As the stadium was being constructed, the plaintiff was harassed, forced to have class with two of her assailants, and two Baylor football players burglarized her apartment, the lawsuit said. The burglary was in April 2013, according to the plaintiff. That same month, a member of the Baylor Bruins hostess program was brutally gang raped by Baylor football players Tre'Von Armstead and Shamycheal "Myke" Chatman, according to the court filing.

If all this is true (I'll let the courts decide that...) I don't see how the NCAA can do anything but kill the program, perhaps the entire athletic department. I don't think they'd want to look weak on this considering many thought that's exactly what happened with PSU.

Even if the NCAA doesn't take action, does the Big XII want that albatross hanging around their neck with everything else that's going on with that conference?

If they do kick Baylor out, could that be the opening OU and TX need to look elsewhere before the GOR runs out?

Yes. Diminished value of product is a cause for termination of the contract but both ESPN and FOX would have to want to do it. What that might open up if they could agree, which remains to be seen, is an equitable division of properties and they own a 50% stake each for T1 & T2 rights. Issues like Kansas and Oklahoma's T3 (one owned by FOX and the other by ESPN for relatively the same values) and the LHN would have to be take into consideration as well for any conference with a network.

Going to 9 teams won't keep them from playing as a conference and from that standpoint they really don't have to make an addition for 2 years if then. I think the NCAA minimum for remaining a conference is 8. But FOX and ESPN lose 12 games worth of inventory to split. There's the potential issue.

It will be interesting to see this play out because it might take a couple of years before the Feds finish and the NCAA acts. By then if the Big 12 adds to replace Baylor it is sure sign they intend to stick around. But if they choose not to it is also a clear sign that they have no intention of staying together, but then if Baylor does get the boot we will likely know immediately. But, I think we already know anyway.
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Not going to defend Baylor but this recent allegation almost sounds like a "pile on" allegation. After the Duke Lacrosse deal, I will wait on the full story before passing judgement. Sure doesn't look good though.
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The NCAA is so mad at Baylor they just put Sam Houston State on three years of probation.

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(05-17-2017 12:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-17-2017 11:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  If all this is true... I don't see how the NCAA can do anything but kill the program, perhaps the entire athletic department.

Agreed. This is horrible and should NOT be tolerated.

(05-17-2017 11:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Even if the NCAA doesn't take action, does the Big XII... kick Baylor out, could that be the opening OU and TX need to look elsewhere before the GOR runs out?

Not necessarily. See below.

(05-17-2017 12:05 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Yeah, kicking Baylor may end the Big 12 or it could help save it. If the NCAA is looking at giving the Baylor the death penalty, wouldn't be wise for the Big 12 to cut ties with Baylor before that?

If the Big XII does the smart thing are replaces a Texas-based school with one NOT in Texas (like, say, BYU?) it could result in a much stronger Big XII.


BYU also have a similar problems with rape allegations and all that. I could see Houston, Air Force, New Mexico or Colorado State replace them.
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RE: Baylor in serious jeopardy-horrible allegations, again
(05-17-2017 05:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-17-2017 12:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-17-2017 11:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  If all this is true... I don't see how the NCAA can do anything but kill the program, perhaps the entire athletic department.

Agreed. This is horrible and should NOT be tolerated.

(05-17-2017 11:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Even if the NCAA doesn't take action, does the Big XII... kick Baylor out, could that be the opening OU and TX need to look elsewhere before the GOR runs out?

Not necessarily. See below.

(05-17-2017 12:05 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Yeah, kicking Baylor may end the Big 12 or it could help save it. If the NCAA is looking at giving the Baylor the death penalty, wouldn't be wise for the Big 12 to cut ties with Baylor before that?

If the Big XII does the smart thing are replaces a Texas-based school with one NOT in Texas (like, say, BYU?) it could result in a much stronger Big XII.


BYU also have a similar problems with rape allegations and all that. I could see Houston, Air Force, New Mexico or Colorado State replace them.

Perhaps Cincinnati?
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