(05-13-2017 05:47 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:45 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:15 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:09 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 03:40 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  If you don't like what you see in Memphis over the past ten years as time's gone along, you're more than welcome to stay in Hernando.

I love downtown and midtown Memphis. Really a bigtime transformation there in the last several years. Most of East Memphis is very nice. The rest of Memphis is the problem.

which is why I'd love to see Memphis contract to downtown and 'the loop'...Whitehaven, Frayser, Hickory Hill, Raleigh, and Cordova can go govern themselves.

What about the people that live there?

what about them? those municipalities I mentioned above existed as unincorporated cities/towns before...they can do it again.

Man, that is cold.

Crime stats are 'suppressed' in some of the more crime ridden cities..just sayin.
Las Vegas is a prime example of this. They don't want you to know what really goes on.

(05-13-2017 07:31 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:47 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:45 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:15 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:09 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  I love downtown and midtown Memphis. Really a bigtime transformation there in the last several years. Most of East Memphis is very nice. The rest of Memphis is the problem.

which is why I'd love to see Memphis contract to downtown and 'the loop'...Whitehaven, Frayser, Hickory Hill, Raleigh, and Cordova can go govern themselves.

What about the people that live there?

what about them? those municipalities I mentioned above existed as unincorporated cities/towns before...they can do it again.

Man, that is cold.

cold? Hickory Hill and Cordova want out...

(05-13-2017 03:57 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 03:40 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  If you don't like what you see in Memphis over the past ten years as time's gone along, you're more than welcome to stay in Hernando.

I found something with really kewl horns and a good singer.

Hernando's Hideaway is one of the nicest bars in the Whitehaven area.

Calm down Booger

(05-13-2017 08:45 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 03:57 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 03:40 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  If you don't like what you see in Memphis over the past ten years as time's gone along, you're more than welcome to stay in Hernando.

I found something with really kewl horns and a good singer.

Hernando's Hideaway is one of the nicest bars in the Whitehaven area.

I miss Essie's

(05-13-2017 08:36 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 07:31 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:47 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:45 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:15 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  which is why I'd love to see Memphis contract to downtown and 'the loop'...Whitehaven, Frayser, Hickory Hill, Raleigh, and Cordova can go govern themselves.

What about the people that live there?

what about them? those municipalities I mentioned above existed as unincorporated cities/towns before...they can do it again.

Man, that is cold.

cold? Hickory Hill and Cordova want out...

Hickory Hill is infested with gangs all the way out Winchester to Hacks Cross. Cordova is getting there. Downtown and Midtown are experiencing somewhat of a revival but where did all the displaced thuggery go? See above.

(05-14-2017 04:22 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:45 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 03:57 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 03:40 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  If you don't like what you see in Memphis over the past ten years as time's gone along, you're more than welcome to stay in Hernando.

I found something with really kewl horns and a good singer.

Hernando's Hideaway is one of the nicest bars in the Whitehaven area.

I miss Essie's

On Shelby. We used to go in there underaged.

(05-14-2017 07:53 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 04:22 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:45 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 03:57 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 03:40 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  If you don't like what you see in Memphis over the past ten years as time's gone along, you're more than welcome to stay in Hernando.

I found something with really kewl horns and a good singer.

Hernando's Hideaway is one of the nicest bars in the Whitehaven area.

I miss Essie's

On Shelby. We used to go in there underaged.

A simple bar in a simpler time.

(05-13-2017 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:41 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:32 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:17 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:15 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I don't get it. That just tells me Fuente didn't "get it", or "get" Memphis. I have lived here 65 years, and it's been a great experience. I very successfully raised three children here, who were prepared for the world when they "graduated" from Memphis. One has chosen to stay here and the other two are on opposite coasts, all successful in careers and life. Memphis is a great place to raise children for so many reasons.

I've lived in the Memphis area for 40 years (Hernando) and I like Memphis because it's home

But I have also traveled a lot and speaking honestly Memphis is one of the crappiest, most depressing cities I've ever been to. Spend some time in Raleigh, Nashville, Kansas City, Atlanta, Charlotte, Jacksonville, San Diego, Dallas, etc and you realize just how crappy Memphis is. It's sad how it has stayed stagnant and floundered while a lot of other southern cities have boomed (Nashville, Atlanta, Charlotte). At least it's better than Birmingham and Jackson, MS though.

But it does have soul and character, and it's home

I've lived in Memphis for 32 years. It has soul and it's real...like New Orleans.

I'll never understand the obsession with Nashville. I worked for Apple and lived roughly 6 months in Nashville opening the Green Hills store, and 3.5 months in Knoxville opening the West Town store.

both times I was very happy to return home to Memphis.

you say it's stayed stagnant...wut? in the 40 years you've lived here the Memphis metro area has added 150k while the city proper has added 30k.

there is this idea that more people must mean better people. I want Memphis to worry about crime, poverty, schools, and infrastructure...not how many people live here.

another way to put is I'd rather live in a nice city with 400,000 people over a crappy city with 750,000 in it.

Memphis is one of the slowest growing metro areas in the country (stagnant)

It's inarguable, yet you are trying to argue it I guess

I present facts. since you've lived here the metro area has added 150k while the city has added 30k

what have those people done for Memphis? bigger does not mean better.

I want a better Memphis, not a bigger Memphis.

Good Lord.

What you personally prefer has zero to do with whether the growth rate of the Memphis metropolitan area is considered stagnant or not.

The facts / numbers you present are the very definition of a stagnant growth rate.

The growth rate isn't negative or flat but it most certainly is and has been stagnant.

You may choose to be happy or sad about these facts; up to you.

(05-14-2017 10:12 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:41 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:32 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:17 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  I've lived in the Memphis area for 40 years (Hernando) and I like Memphis because it's home

But I have also traveled a lot and speaking honestly Memphis is one of the crappiest, most depressing cities I've ever been to. Spend some time in Raleigh, Nashville, Kansas City, Atlanta, Charlotte, Jacksonville, San Diego, Dallas, etc and you realize just how crappy Memphis is. It's sad how it has stayed stagnant and floundered while a lot of other southern cities have boomed (Nashville, Atlanta, Charlotte). At least it's better than Birmingham and Jackson, MS though.

But it does have soul and character, and it's home

I've lived in Memphis for 32 years. It has soul and it's real...like New Orleans.

I'll never understand the obsession with Nashville. I worked for Apple and lived roughly 6 months in Nashville opening the Green Hills store, and 3.5 months in Knoxville opening the West Town store.

both times I was very happy to return home to Memphis.

you say it's stayed stagnant...wut? in the 40 years you've lived here the Memphis metro area has added 150k while the city proper has added 30k.

there is this idea that more people must mean better people. I want Memphis to worry about crime, poverty, schools, and infrastructure...not how many people live here.

another way to put is I'd rather live in a nice city with 400,000 people over a crappy city with 750,000 in it.

Memphis is one of the slowest growing metro areas in the country (stagnant)

It's inarguable, yet you are trying to argue it I guess

I present facts. since you've lived here the metro area has added 150k while the city has added 30k

what have those people done for Memphis? bigger does not mean better.

I want a better Memphis, not a bigger Memphis.

Good Lord.

What you personally prefer has zero to do with whether the growth rate of the Memphis metropolitan area is considered stagnant or not.

The facts / numbers you present are the very definition of a stagnant growth rate.

The growth rate isn't negative or flat but it most certainly is and has been stagnant.

You may choose to be happy or sad about these facts; up to you.

It's definitely stagnant. The last time I looked, Memphis was decreasing by about 2 people per day. Now, maybe they are moving into the County...who knows?

As a comparison, Nashville is growing by 28 people per day.


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(05-14-2017 10:12 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:41 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:32 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:17 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  I've lived in the Memphis area for 40 years (Hernando) and I like Memphis because it's home

But I have also traveled a lot and speaking honestly Memphis is one of the crappiest, most depressing cities I've ever been to. Spend some time in Raleigh, Nashville, Kansas City, Atlanta, Charlotte, Jacksonville, San Diego, Dallas, etc and you realize just how crappy Memphis is. It's sad how it has stayed stagnant and floundered while a lot of other southern cities have boomed (Nashville, Atlanta, Charlotte). At least it's better than Birmingham and Jackson, MS though.

But it does have soul and character, and it's home

I've lived in Memphis for 32 years. It has soul and it's real...like New Orleans.

I'll never understand the obsession with Nashville. I worked for Apple and lived roughly 6 months in Nashville opening the Green Hills store, and 3.5 months in Knoxville opening the West Town store.

both times I was very happy to return home to Memphis.

you say it's stayed stagnant...wut? in the 40 years you've lived here the Memphis metro area has added 150k while the city proper has added 30k.

there is this idea that more people must mean better people. I want Memphis to worry about crime, poverty, schools, and infrastructure...not how many people live here.

another way to put is I'd rather live in a nice city with 400,000 people over a crappy city with 750,000 in it.

Memphis is one of the slowest growing metro areas in the country (stagnant)

It's inarguable, yet you are trying to argue it I guess

I present facts. since you've lived here the metro area has added 150k while the city has added 30k

what have those people done for Memphis? bigger does not mean better.

I want a better Memphis, not a bigger Memphis.

Good Lord.

What you personally prefer has zero to do with whether the growth rate of the Memphis metropolitan area is considered stagnant or not.

The facts / numbers you present are the very definition of a stagnant growth rate.

The growth rate isn't negative or flat but it most certainly is and has been stagnant.

You may choose to be happy or sad about these facts; up to you.

Good Lord, indeed.

the growth rate of Memphis has nothing to do with Fuente leaving or Mike Norvell's contract...which is what we were actually discussing.

the fact remains that in said posters 40 years here we've gained 150k in the metro area and 30k in the city. As I already stated I don't care if Memphis contracts and actually loses population if it means they can provide better city services to it's residents.

(05-14-2017 10:43 AM)SigEpMike Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 10:12 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:41 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:32 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I've lived in Memphis for 32 years. It has soul and it's real...like New Orleans.

I'll never understand the obsession with Nashville. I worked for Apple and lived roughly 6 months in Nashville opening the Green Hills store, and 3.5 months in Knoxville opening the West Town store.

both times I was very happy to return home to Memphis.

you say it's stayed stagnant...wut? in the 40 years you've lived here the Memphis metro area has added 150k while the city proper has added 30k.

there is this idea that more people must mean better people. I want Memphis to worry about crime, poverty, schools, and infrastructure...not how many people live here.

another way to put is I'd rather live in a nice city with 400,000 people over a crappy city with 750,000 in it.

Memphis is one of the slowest growing metro areas in the country (stagnant)

It's inarguable, yet you are trying to argue it I guess

I present facts. since you've lived here the metro area has added 150k while the city has added 30k

what have those people done for Memphis? bigger does not mean better.

I want a better Memphis, not a bigger Memphis.

Good Lord.

What you personally prefer has zero to do with whether the growth rate of the Memphis metropolitan area is considered stagnant or not.

The facts / numbers you present are the very definition of a stagnant growth rate.

The growth rate isn't negative or flat but it most certainly is and has been stagnant.

You may choose to be happy or sad about these facts; up to you.

It's definitely stagnant. The last time I looked, Memphis was decreasing by about 2 people per day. Now, maybe they are moving into the County...who knows?

As a comparison, Nashville is growing by 28 people per day.


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why do we need more people?

Costs of providing services is continually increasing. You either get more people and prices per person for services can stay low or you don't get more people and prices per person for services increases. To pay for that you raise taxes or issue bonds and raise taxes to pay for them. That's what all the annexation was about. That's what all business is about. You make your money on small margins and high volume. Analogous to low taxes on lots of taxpayers. Raise taxes and people leave causing you to raise taxes even more. Death spiral not to grow.

(05-14-2017 11:31 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  Costs of providing services is continually increasing. You either get more people and prices per person for services can stay low or you don't get more people and prices per person for services increases. To pay for that you raise taxes or issue bonds and raise taxes to pay for them. That's what all the annexation was about. That's what all business is about. You make your money on small margins and high volume. Analogous to low taxes on lots of taxpayers. Raise taxes and people leave causing you to raise taxes even more. Death spiral not to grow.

not if you shrink your footprint to the far more dense urban areas of the city such as downtown and the loop.

Take this to the other board.

It's no longer about Norvell and shame on you who made it about something else.

(05-14-2017 11:35 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 11:31 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  Costs of providing services is continually increasing. You either get more people and prices per person for services can stay low or you don't get more people and prices per person for services increases. To pay for that you raise taxes or issue bonds and raise taxes to pay for them. That's what all the annexation was about. That's what all business is about. You make your money on small margins and high volume. Analogous to low taxes on lots of taxpayers. Raise taxes and people leave causing you to raise taxes even more. Death spiral not to grow.

not if you shrink your footprint to the far more dense urban areas of the city such as downtown and the loop.

Not true at all. Anyway, your question is why do we need more people. Now you are switching to lets get a lot less people. How in hell do the bond obligations, pension obligations, etc that the city has incurred get paid if you cut the property tax base like that?

(05-14-2017 11:47 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 11:35 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 11:31 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  Costs of providing services is continually increasing. You either get more people and prices per person for services can stay low or you don't get more people and prices per person for services increases. To pay for that you raise taxes or issue bonds and raise taxes to pay for them. That's what all the annexation was about. That's what all business is about. You make your money on small margins and high volume. Analogous to low taxes on lots of taxpayers. Raise taxes and people leave causing you to raise taxes even more. Death spiral not to grow.

not if you shrink your footprint to the far more dense urban areas of the city such as downtown and the loop.

Not true at all. Anyway, your question is why do we need more people. Now you are switching to lets get a lot less people. How in hell do the bond obligations, pension obligations, etc that the city has incurred get paid if you cut the property tax base like that?

it's simple statistics so it's 100% true. If you have a smaller, more densely packed area, you have a more money to provide services to a smaller area.

Hickory Hill, Frayser, Whitehaven, Cordova, etc don't bring in the taxes to justify themselves...let em go...hell, they WANT to leave.

as for the rest, it's being worked on in Nashville as we speak...smart de-annexation is a thing.

(05-14-2017 11:53 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 11:47 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 11:35 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 11:31 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  Costs of providing services is continually increasing. You either get more people and prices per person for services can stay low or you don't get more people and prices per person for services increases. To pay for that you raise taxes or issue bonds and raise taxes to pay for them. That's what all the annexation was about. That's what all business is about. You make your money on small margins and high volume. Analogous to low taxes on lots of taxpayers. Raise taxes and people leave causing you to raise taxes even more. Death spiral not to grow.

not if you shrink your footprint to the far more dense urban areas of the city such as downtown and the loop.

Not true at all. Anyway, your question is why do we need more people. Now you are switching to lets get a lot less people. How in hell do the bond obligations, pension obligations, etc that the city has incurred get paid if you cut the property tax base like that?

it's simple statistics so it's 100% true. If you have a smaller, more densely packed area, you have a more money to provide services to a smaller area.

Hickory Hill, Frayser, Whitehaven, Cordova, etc don't bring in the taxes to justify themselves...let em go...hell, they WANT to leave.

as for the rest, it's being worked on in Nashville as we speak...smart de-annexation is a thing.

You being obstinate, just plain stupid, or love to argue? Which?

(05-14-2017 12:00 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 11:53 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 11:47 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 11:35 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 11:31 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  Costs of providing services is continually increasing. You either get more people and prices per person for services can stay low or you don't get more people and prices per person for services increases. To pay for that you raise taxes or issue bonds and raise taxes to pay for them. That's what all the annexation was about. That's what all business is about. You make your money on small margins and high volume. Analogous to low taxes on lots of taxpayers. Raise taxes and people leave causing you to raise taxes even more. Death spiral not to grow.

not if you shrink your footprint to the far more dense urban areas of the city such as downtown and the loop.

Not true at all. Anyway, your question is why do we need more people. Now you are switching to lets get a lot less people. How in hell do the bond obligations, pension obligations, etc that the city has incurred get paid if you cut the property tax base like that?

it's simple statistics so it's 100% true. If you have a smaller, more densely packed area, you have a more money to provide services to a smaller area.

Hickory Hill, Frayser, Whitehaven, Cordova, etc don't bring in the taxes to justify themselves...let em go...hell, they WANT to leave.

as for the rest, it's being worked on in Nashville as we speak...smart de-annexation is a thing.

You being obstinate, just plain stupid, or love to argue? Which?

Memphis de-annexation based on facts, not emotion
http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/op...n/97698510

Quote:We have supported the concept of de-annexation, especially in light of the Memphis’ loss of population density, which has resulted in a diminishing tax base, but not in diminishing costs to provide city services throughout Memphis’ some 300 square miles.

just as this says...simple facts...decrease your footprint to a more manageable but still more dense urban area.

Memphis can either do it willingly, or it will be done for them at the State House.