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(06-15-2017 05:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's feasible. The stadium is a half century old, so even if they jazzed it up, it would need to be either razed or renovated again within a decade or two.
The concrete is flaking in areas, but an architech historian claims it is OK.
AECOM gave the city a report with a list of priorities in 2011. Plumbing, HVAC, scoreboards...

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/la...m-stadium/

http://voiceofsandiego.org/wp-content/up...e-5-11.pdf

(06-15-2017 05:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I would look for a deep pocket sugar daddy to buy the stadium, do some upgrades, renamed the stadium for the sugar daddy, and cut out the soccer team. Let the soccer team find a new venue. Don't destroy something to build something that is smaller. SDSU's goal is to gain access to the PAC 12. They need the Qualcomm stadium as is.

Soon to be US Ambassador to the Bahamas, local real estate developer and SDSU alun Doug Manchester is that deep pocket sugar daddy. "Papa Doug" as he prefers to be called, has already commissioned HKS for his proposal to build a stadium on the current "stadium pad".
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Anything is better than the FSI CondoCity scam ...
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(06-15-2017 06:34 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 05:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's feasible. The stadium is a half century old, so even if they jazzed it up, it would need to be either razed or renovated again within a decade or two.
The concrete is flaking in areas, but an architech historian claims it is OK.
AECOM gave the city a report with a list of priorities in 2011. Plumbing, HVAC, scoreboards...

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/la...m-stadium/

http://voiceofsandiego.org/wp-content/up...e-5-11.pdf

(06-15-2017 05:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I would look for a deep pocket sugar daddy to buy the stadium, do some upgrades, renamed the stadium for the sugar daddy, and cut out the soccer team. Let the soccer team find a new venue. Don't destroy something to build something that is smaller. SDSU's goal is to gain access to the PAC 12. They need the Qualcomm stadium as is.

Soon to be US Ambassador to the Bahamas, local real estate developer and SDSU alun Doug Manchester is that deep pocket sugar daddy. "Papa Doug" as he prefers to be called, has already commissioned HKS for his proposal to build a stadium on the current "stadium pad".
We purchased Turner Field and 67 acres for $30M. How much could they want?

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(06-15-2017 06:53 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Anything is better than the FSI CondoCity scam ...

Manchester's plan was originally made to lure the NFL back to San Diego, thus the stadium would seat 70K, SDSU would get 46 acres, an arena to replace the SD Sports Arena (DBA the Valley View Center), plus mixed use.

Since this was in early March, this plan has changed, but the relationship with SDSU remains as a former city manager who was at the unveil is advising the university.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/busi...story.html
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An OCS at SDSU isn't happening and would be a logistical nightmare during games.

SDSU would be stupid to buy the Q from the City. That place needs to be demoed and then they would have to build a new stadium. They would need a lot more money to do this than to pony up some cash as part of an agreement with a developer.

The denial of the special election by the SD City Council was for the Convention Center Expansion (which is far more valuable to the City than this FSI development) thus means no special election ballot for the FSI deal to be on. The Council is voting on the FSI development on Monday and theoretically can still vote to accept the deal.

EDIT: This means SD will see the FSI initiative on the Nov 2018 ballot...next to any other competing development initiatives if the City decides to not go the Request For Proposal (RFP) process and open development up to multiple folks.

Side note: This significantly increases the chances of Sac landing one of the MLS bids this fall.
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The demo would cost a lot. You can build a cheap little stadium for nothing these days, see UCF after their falling out with the Citrus Bowl or whatever they're calling it these days.
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(06-16-2017 02:09 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The demo would cost a lot. You can build a cheap little stadium for nothing these days, see UCF after their falling out with the Citrus Bowl or whatever they're calling it these days.

Orlando stadiums do not need to meet seismic code.

Nothing is cheap in California.
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(06-16-2017 01:37 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  An OCS at SDSU isn't happening and would be a logistical nightmare during games.

SDSU would be stupid to buy the Q from the City. That place needs to be demoed and then they would have to build a new stadium. They would need a lot more money to do this than to pony up some cash as part of an agreement with a developer.

The denial of the special election by the SD City Council was for the Convention Center Expansion (which is far more valuable to the City than this FSI development) thus means no special election ballot for the FSI deal to be on. The Council is voting on the FSI development on Monday and theoretically can still vote to accept the deal.

EDIT: This means SD will see the FSI initiative on the Nov 2018 ballot...next to any other competing development initiatives if the City decides to not go the Request For Proposal (RFP) process and open development up to multiple folks.

Side note: This significantly increases the chances of Sac landing one of the MLS bids this fall.
I think we are overstating the condition of the Q. There are older more poorly built stadiums in use. And does SDSU really want to go from not controlling the stadium they play in to not controlling t he stadiu m they play in? If not on campus t heir best bet is to go nearby and purchase land and build a stadium and auxiliary campus nearby.

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(06-16-2017 04:45 AM)Renandpat Wrote:  
(06-16-2017 02:09 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The demo would cost a lot. You can build a cheap little stadium for nothing these days, see UCF after their falling out with the Citrus Bowl or whatever they're calling it these days.

Orlando stadiums do not need to meet seismic code.

Nothing is cheap in California.
How much was Stanford's? $100M?

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(06-16-2017 04:45 AM)Renandpat Wrote:  
(06-16-2017 02:09 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The demo would cost a lot. You can build a cheap little stadium for nothing these days, see UCF after their falling out with the Citrus Bowl or whatever they're calling it these days.

Orlando stadiums do not need to meet seismic code.

Nothing is cheap in California.

Very true...
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(06-16-2017 01:37 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  An OCS at SDSU isn't happening and would be a logistical nightmare during games.

SDSU would be stupid to buy the Q from the City. That place needs to be demoed and then they would have to build a new stadium. They would need a lot more money to do this than to pony up some cash as part of an agreement with a developer.

The denial of the special election by the SD City Council was for the Convention Center Expansion (which is far more valuable to the City than this FSI development) thus means no special election ballot for the FSI deal to be on. The Council is voting on the FSI development on Monday and theoretically can still vote to accept the deal.

EDIT: This means SD will see the FSI initiative on the Nov 2018 ballot...next to any other competing development initiatives if the City decides to not go the Request For Proposal (RFP) process and open development up to multiple folks.

Side note: This significantly increases the chances of Sac landing one of the MLS bids this fall.

Sounds great! City of SD will just decide to accept FSI's proposal, FSI gets the land for cheap and starts building market-rate housing and retail (it's main/only goal), then somehow doesn't land the MLS team (wink wink), and says "well heck, why spend all that money on a stadium when we didn't get the MLS team?? We'll just build more market-rate housing and retail where the stadium would've gone".

FAIL

Really hope SDSU boosters are doing all they can to kill FSI CondoCity. Or at the very least, make sure that a guarantee is worked into the deal that forces the stadium to be built regardless if an MLS franchise is awarded.


(06-16-2017 06:03 AM)panama Wrote:  How much was Stanford's? $100M?

Wikipedia, with no citation mind you, says $90M in 2006 to completely rebuilt Stanford Stadium.

Question: how in the ever-loving h___ does Cal then spend $321M just to renovate (not rebuild) Memorial Stadium, plus another $153M on the HPC ??????????????? 04-jawdrop
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So will San Diego state play at stubhub now?
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The Aztecs will play 2017 and 2018 at Qualcomm

For 2019 it looks like PETCO. This is a one off. The MWC can help by giving SDSU a couple November games, and they have BYU on November 30th (good planning). The Padres will have to work with MLB to give SDSU that August 31st game against Weber State and two others, one other September (so they get 5 home games in for sure) and one in October (dicey because of MLB playoffs) - that October might have to switch sites, forcing that game to be on the road (e.g., at Utah State say instead of in San Diego)

They definitely need their own stadium by 2020.

(Stubhub is 2 hours away with zero traffic ... I hear that SoCal has a few cars on the road every now and again)
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(06-16-2017 08:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(06-16-2017 01:37 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  An OCS at SDSU isn't happening and would be a logistical nightmare during games.

SDSU would be stupid to buy the Q from the City. That place needs to be demoed and then they would have to build a new stadium. They would need a lot more money to do this than to pony up some cash as part of an agreement with a developer.

The denial of the special election by the SD City Council was for the Convention Center Expansion (which is far more valuable to the City than this FSI development) thus means no special election ballot for the FSI deal to be on. The Council is voting on the FSI development on Monday and theoretically can still vote to accept the deal.

EDIT: This means SD will see the FSI initiative on the Nov 2018 ballot...next to any other competing development initiatives if the City decides to not go the Request For Proposal (RFP) process and open development up to multiple folks.

Side note: This significantly increases the chances of Sac landing one of the MLS bids this fall.

Sounds great! City of SD will just decide to accept FSI's proposal, FSI gets the land for cheap and starts building market-rate housing and retail (it's main/only goal), then somehow doesn't land the MLS team (wink wink), and says "well heck, why spend all that money on a stadium when we didn't get the MLS team?? We'll just build more market-rate housing and retail where the stadium would've gone".

FAIL

Really hope SDSU boosters are doing all they can to kill FSI CondoCity. Or at the very least, make sure that a guarantee is worked into the deal that forces the stadium to be built regardless if an MLS franchise is awarded.


(06-16-2017 06:03 AM)panama Wrote:  How much was Stanford's? $100M?

Wikipedia, with no citation mind you, says $90M in 2006 to completely rebuilt Stanford Stadium.

Question: how in the ever-loving h___ does Cal then spend $321M just to renovate (not rebuild) Memorial Stadium, plus another $153M on the HPC ??????????????? 04-jawdrop

Because Cal was a retrofit.
And Stanford has alum/donor John Arrillaga who handles EVERYTHING. He design-builds all their athletics facilities down to only working with Hoover Assoc. as architect of record and Vance Brown as the general contractor as they're both less than two miles from campus.
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(06-16-2017 08:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(06-16-2017 01:37 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  An OCS at SDSU isn't happening and would be a logistical nightmare during games.

SDSU would be stupid to buy the Q from the City. That place needs to be demoed and then they would have to build a new stadium. They would need a lot more money to do this than to pony up some cash as part of an agreement with a developer.

The denial of the special election by the SD City Council was for the Convention Center Expansion (which is far more valuable to the City than this FSI development) thus means no special election ballot for the FSI deal to be on. The Council is voting on the FSI development on Monday and theoretically can still vote to accept the deal.

EDIT: This means SD will see the FSI initiative on the Nov 2018 ballot...next to any other competing development initiatives if the City decides to not go the Request For Proposal (RFP) process and open development up to multiple folks.

Side note: This significantly increases the chances of Sac landing one of the MLS bids this fall.

Sounds great! City of SD will just decide to accept FSI's proposal, FSI gets the land for cheap and starts building market-rate housing and retail (it's main/only goal), then somehow doesn't land the MLS team (wink wink), and says "well heck, why spend all that money on a stadium when we didn't get the MLS team?? We'll just build more market-rate housing and retail where the stadium would've gone".

FAIL

Really hope SDSU boosters are doing all they can to kill FSI CondoCity. Or at the very least, make sure that a guarantee is worked into the deal that forces the stadium to be built regardless if an MLS franchise is awarded.


(06-16-2017 06:03 AM)panama Wrote:  How much was Stanford's? $100M?

Wikipedia, with no citation mind you, says $90M in 2006 to completely rebuilt Stanford Stadium.

Question: how in the ever-loving h___ does Cal then spend $321M just to renovate (not rebuild) Memorial Stadium, plus another $153M on the HPC ??????????????? 04-jawdrop
So SDSU needs to go d 10 acres near campus and build a Phase I erector set.

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Stanford did an earthen Stadium. So the cost was much lower. The dug a hole, build a single building and tunnel system to locker rooms and such.

[Image: Stanford_Stadium.png]

This is why I think SDSU should be looking at doing the same thing at the Oak Park (Chollas Park across from Chollas Reservoir) location, if the city will grant that.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7345466,...a=!3m1!1e3

I see a single building needed and a hole in the ground stadium like Stanford as the best solution. It doesn't need to be elaborate, you only play 5 or 6 games a year there (I think they should neutral site one a year at PETCO).
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(06-16-2017 01:22 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  Because Cal was a retrofit.
And Stanford has alum/donor John Arrillaga who handles EVERYTHING. He design-builds all their athletics facilities down to only working with Hoover Assoc. as architect of record and Vance Brown as the general contractor as they're both less than two miles from campus.

$90M vs >$400M in less than 10 years time??? Come on ...
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(06-16-2017 01:39 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Stanford did an earthen Stadium. So the cost was much lower. The dug a hole, build a single building and tunnel system to locker rooms and such.

[Image: Stanford_Stadium.png]

This is why I think SDSU should be looking at doing the same thing at the Oak Park (Chollas Park across from Chollas Reservoir) location, if the city will grant that.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7345466,...a=!3m1!1e3

I see a single building needed and a hole in the ground stadium like Stanford as the best solution. It doesn't need to be elaborate, you only play 5 or 6 games a year there (I think they should neutral site one a year at PETCO).
Prerry much what Charlotte did as well.

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(06-16-2017 01:42 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(06-16-2017 01:22 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  Because Cal was a retrofit.
And Stanford has alum/donor John Arrillaga who handles EVERYTHING. He design-builds all their athletics facilities down to only working with Hoover Assoc. as architect of record and Vance Brown as the general contractor as they're both less than two miles from campus.

$90M vs >$400M in less than 10 years time??? Come on ...

Part of the campus, including Kabam Field at Memorial Stadium sits DIRECTLY OVER the Heyward fault line.
http://seismo.berkeley.edu/hayward/

http://www.conservation.ca.gov/index/Pag...Sheet.aspx
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Jon Wilner reported the retro fit for earthquake standards was necessary and about $220M. But the other $180M was to spruce it up, and was a terrible business decision by then AD Sandy Barbour. This has saddled Cal with a massive debt service. Otherwise it would have been much more managable a situation had they limited it to retrofit and only the more cost effective upgrades,
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