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RE: NBA D-League news (WAC related)
(05-19-2017 10:43 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The NBA D-League will get to 28 in 2018-19. New Orleans is getting very serious, down to five locations. Baton Rouge and Mobile (AL) roughly 2 hours drive away, and Shreveport, Jackson and Pensacola each roughly 3 hours away. (St. Tammany pulled out after a tax measure failed, so they have to redirect $15M to courts and prisons they had hoped to be free for other projects.) Washington has pretty much laid out their plans to be in the St. Elizabeth facility in the 8th ward in 2018-19 (their new practice and training building ... will be a state of the art facility).

But I am not sure about getting to 30. Portland's ownership has zero interest in the D-League and sold the Boise Stampede to Utah who moved it to SLC. They really don't see the value in it. Denver hasn't shown any seriousness in it at all. Maybe the NBS has to start or run two franchises themselves. Erie is only contract for 2017-18 and 2018-19 while the Atlanta Hawks facility is built, after that nothing. Same could happen to Sioux Falls if the Heat decide to set up their own club in the greater Miami metro. That is the only way I see the league getting to 30 in the next few years. Denver and Portland are not doing anything.

On Siakam, it would not surprise me if the Warriors offer him a potential spot next year. The salary cap limits will likely mean Zaza Pachulia and Shaun Livingston are gone, and the team appears to have given up on Kevon Looney (Damien Jones hasn't shown anything, but I think they will give him one more shot next year; thank God Patrick McCaw has panned out - the future replacement for Andre Igoudala). They don't have any draft picks, and they are going to have trouble keeping Ian Clark (who will take Shaun Livingston's minutes and role) under contract. There is also a rumor David West will retire if the Warriors win the title. A lot of open spots, and I think a couple D-League guys (Siakam fits the role they wanted Looney to fill) will wind up getting a slot or two (they want a back up pure PG, and if they can find it a rebounder who can pass).

NBA first round draft picks sign four year contracts with the teams that draft them, the first 2 years are fully guaranteed and the last 2 years are at the option of the team. Siakam is under contract with Toronto for another three years. NBA teams will assign a player the end of the roster down to the NBDL for playing time. Siakam was assigned to the NBDL , but he was on the roster on the roster for the playoffs.

Kevon Looney is under contract through 2017-2018. The 3rd year of his contract was picked up back in October. They still have the option to pick up the 4th year of the deal, which would tie him to the Warriors through 2019.

It is expected that all thirty NBA teams will eventually have D-League teams. The NBA is encouraging all teams to have their own NBDL team. The new collective bargaining agreement has made it more attractive to teams to have their own NBDL team. It has become easier to retain key players. For Portland, it just a matter of finding a location in close proximity that works for them. While there is a cost of establishing your own NBDL team and not a great financial return on the investment, a guy like Portland owner Paul Allen should have no problem making this investment. He is a billionaire after all.
05-20-2017 06:04 PM
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RE: NBA D-League news (WAC related)
Portland is not looking, neither is Denver. (Can't force them to buy a franchise if they don;t want)

Kevon Looney will be shipped or cut. They will eat his salary. They are down men, and yet they shipped him to the D-League for the playoffs.
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RE: NBA D-League news (WAC related)
(05-20-2017 11:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Portland is not looking, neither is Denver. (Can't force them to buy a franchise if they don;t want)

Kevon Looney will be shipped or cut. They will eat his salary. They are down men, and yet they shipped him to the D-League for the playoffs.

Kevon Looney is on the 15 man playoff roster. Santa Cruz was eliminated from the NBDL playoffs a month ago. The Warriors do not have any draft picks in this year's draft and only five players under contract for next season, one of them being Looney at $1.1 million. Curry, Iguodala and Livingston are free agents. Durant has a player option for $27.7 million and is expected to opt out. Even if they re-sign all four players, which would get them to nine players under contract, they would be over the salary cap and need to sign another six players. They cannot afford to let anyone go that is under contract.

Looney was assigned to the Warriors NBDL franchise because he needs playing time and is recovering from a hip injury and hip surgery. Pascal Siakam was assigned to the Raptors 905 NBDL team to get playing time. Since they are both first round picks and on the 15 man NBA roster, they can be assigned to the NBDL without counting against the NBDL team salary cap of $209,000 per season.

Portland and Denver are at a disadvantage because they do not have their own NBDL team to assign their players to. They have to get permission and a team can say no. Teams want their own players and coaches and systems used with their NBDL franchises. That is why 26 of the 30 NBA teams now have NBDL franchises. The NBA wants it to be "30 for 30" and is pushing the other four to get their own NBDL franchises. It only makes sense and it only is a matter of time.
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RE: NBA D-League news (WAC related)
The Warriors are going to sign Curry and Durant. Durant will probably get a $31.8m (20% NBA rule - higher than max), and Curry a $30.2m (max) or even a $35.3m (super max).

The MLE will probably go to McGee ($5.5m, two years $11m). Livingston (he's MLE) and Pachulia are likely gone. The tricky one is Igoudala. They want him for 2 more years, but anything above $11m blows the cap space up. Clark also has to agree to take 3 years for $8m (my math says they can give him $2.2m, $2.64m, 3.16m with 20% raises and stay under luxury tax). Clark will be the tough one, as it would not surprise me if teams offered him $10-12m for 3 years, and it's possible somebody can offer him $15m. The Warriors need to lock him down, as they are going to lose Livingston The Warriors will also beg West to give them one more year.

Looney simply didn't make it. I expect them to ship him for cash, and maybe a 2nd round pick swap in 2020 or something. The Warriors are very likely to purchase another 2nd round pick like they did last year to get McCaw.

They need 12 on the roster who can play. Although they will be on the edge of Lux tax I expect the roster to be

Curry, Durant, Green, Thompson, McGee
Igoudala, Clark, McCaw, MacAdoo (will resign for minimum), West and Jones
Plus maybe a purchased 2nd pick, and veteran minimum or two will be added

One of the vets and MacAdoo will sign late so the Warriors will stay under the Luxury tax line, same for West. The squad will be looking for a D-League wing with potential.

Whatever. When they break camp, Looney wont be on the roster, as he is not that wing with potential (Matt Barnes signing shows how useless he is). There are always some players like this, who just don't pan out, need to develop before they can play. The Warriors wont carry him simply because of a $1.2m contract guarantee past the cap space time frame.
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Stugray, you would make a lousy GM. If the Warriors cut Looney, his contract counts against the salary cap. Since the Warriors will very likely be over the cap, they would pay a luxury tax on Looney's salary. It would be dead money against the cap.

So they could pay an additional $2 million or more in luxury tax penalties while Looney is sitting on another roster. They would pay his contract and a luxury tax on his contract. It makes no sense.

Looney didn't forget how to play basketball. He has had two hip surgeries in the last two years. He has been injured. The kid was a McDonald's All-American. He was 2nd team All-Conference in the PAC-12 as a freshman at UCLA. There would be no point in giving up on a kid at the end of your roster that has talent and is under contract. A contract that Warrior Management extended! He has no trade value because of the injuries and the Warriors have no draft picks this year. Cutting Looney would be stupid! Warrior management has proven that they are not stupid.
05-23-2017 09:44 AM
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SoCal,

Are you really as stupid as your reply makes you out to be? Or rather inattentive to the details of what I said.

I said exactly the tricks the Warriors would do to drop Looney and yet not take a hit on the cap when signing players. They will try to move him, perhaps give him away for cash (this is done frequently), in one of those cap small move trades, or swap him for another team's failure or their drafted European player who is no longer expected to come to the NBA (roughly 2/3rds of draft picks are flops or never really play). I also said things will happen in a certain order to minimize the cap impact. Your reply shows you did not comprehend this, which is why I think you are being somewhat stupid above.

I follow the Warriors very closely and I can tell you three key things to remember

1. Bob Meyers has admitted they expect to pay luxury tax (meaning the salaries will top $122.4M this year). They will of course try to skirt under it, so the MLE will be $5.797M instead of $3.477M, which they will sign McGee with. Frankly the lower number is closer to his value, but they can lock him down for two years on the higher one.

2. The players who recruited Durant are Curry, Green (it's really Green's team, he is the leader), Thompson, and Igoudala. These players will all be back, they are the core, they cannot be moved.

Durant says he is not leaving. So he will do one of three things: Keep his contract $28M, then Bird rights in 2019-20 (jumps 20% automatically to $32.5M then $38M to match Curry's) or take a 20% to $31.2M or a Max at $30.6M.

3. McCaw has shown he is a future 6 man rotation. He is not ready to carry Igoudala's load, but in two years he probably can. This is an example of a purchased 2nd round pick. Meyers bought the pick with cash, when they identified a player they thought could help the team. Do not be surprised if Meyer does it again.

4. McGee (close to both Durant and Green, but everyone like shim) and Clark (very close to Curry especially) are really popular on the team, especially with the core. The Warriors have to bring them back for cohesion. MacAdoo is a scrub, but not a negative player, and he's the third in that trio (he's also dirt cheap).

5. Pachulia, while a nice player, just is not worth the price tag. The Warriors will have to find another role player to fill his spot. Livingston's role has diminished. He is also an MLE, but it comes down to McGee is worth more to the team, and the combo of Clark and McCaw are taking over his role (Clark especially). Matt Barnes was an emergency add to fill some depth when Durant got hurt. He has fit in well, to many outside observer's surprise, and he could be back as depth garbage time veteran. David West is the X-factor. There is a rumor he will retire if the Warriors win the title. But they could use him next year. He has an especially strong chemistry with Clark, where he has about 1/3rd of his assists to him. West is also popular and they will try to get him to come back.

6. Jones has shown already much more athleticism than Looney, and this was a "red shirt" rookie year to get healthy after surgery. Looney's role has basically been absorbed by McGee, McCaw, and flashes of Jones. While Jones has been given a few garbage minutes, Looney has not. The Matt Barnes signing (another late season veteran minimum) shows the lack of development, that they needed a garbage time vet to fill his role.

What this looks like is the Warriors will not be able to pay Livingston (Clark replaces) or Pachulia (McGee replaces), and Looney flopped. Jones is unproven, but everyone knew 206-17 was a "red shirt" - but he already shows shot blocking ability at the NBA level. Barnes I don't see coming back. While a good fit, he simply doesn't play much D, and his shot is not what it was. But he ate some minutes they needed eaten. West they will push hard to come back for one final season. But they may sign him very late to make the cap numbers (a rookie minimum like Siakam would get is about $1M less than West counted against the cap)

Meyer knows the parameters, and he knows Lacob will allow him to go into luxury tax for a couple years for this group (they wont get in Cleveland cavalier level of luxury tax, but will dip in a couple million) -- they will have to reconfigure in 2020. Meyer knows what he has to do. He'll try to get Curry and Durant for the figures closer to $30M than $35M to make the budget, but if not, oh well. The moves are very obvious to anyone closely following the team.

The thing is depth is a problem. They cannot afford to have 5 non producing players. That is why Looney will be gone. Getting West back will help, but they will look for tow more minimum vets, maybe buy a 2nd round pick, and leave a spot for D-League guys to battle for a spot.

The NBA put in the super max and minimized the cap growth this coming year specifically to try and break the Warriors up. Lacob wont let that happen.
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A follow up on what I was telling you about the Warriors. Kevin Durant is willing to take less than a Max contract.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/repor...l-warriors

He is scheduled to make $27,734,405 in 2017-18, but will opt out. A Max contract would be 30% of $102M or $30.6M. He is also eligible for a 20% raise to $31,848,120.

Stephen Curry is eligible for a Super Max contract of 35% or $35.7M

My calculations were based on 20% for Durant and a Max contract for Curry. But if both players take just a Max, there would be plenty of room to sign Igoudala ($12M), Clark (3 yrs $8M) and McGee ($5.8M MLE) and stay under the $122.4M luxury tax space. Livingston and Pachulia are difficult to fit. But if they can move Looney (somebody take his salary) they can sign one of them, maybe both if they are willing to go into Luxury tax a few $M and either Livingston, Pachulia, or McGee is willing to take a Luxury tax level MLE of $3.6M

It's tricky but it can be done. My own WAG is they will have a total salary of about $128M, be paying $5M luxury tax for 2-3 years to keep the team together.
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(06-01-2017 05:16 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  A follow up on what I was telling you about the Warriors. Kevin Durant is willing to take less than a Max contract.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/repor...l-warriors

He is scheduled to make $27,734,405 in 2017-18, but will opt out. A Max contract would be 30% of $102M or $30.6M. He is also eligible for a 20% raise to $31,848,120.

Stephen Curry is eligible for a Super Max contract of 35% or $35.7M

My calculations were based on 20% for Durant and a Max contract for Curry. But if both players take just a Max, there would be plenty of room to sign Igoudala ($12M), Clark (3 yrs $8M) and Mage ($5.8M MLE) and stay under the $122.4M luxury tax space. Livingston and Pachulia are difficult to fit. But if they can move Looney (somebody take his salary) they can sign one of them, maybe both if they are willing to go into Luxury tax a few $M and either Livingston, Pachulia, or McGee is willing to take a Luxury tax level MLE of $3.6M

It's tricky but it can be done. My own WAG is they will have a total salary of about $128M, be paying $5M luxury tax for 2-3 years to keep the team together.

You keep those 4 main players together and fill in the rest with experienced vets a little past their prime on a paycut and you can win a title every year
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RE: NBA D-League news (WAC related)
Stugray, the Warriors are going over the salary cap and will pay the luxury tax. These are the likely numbers:

Curry - $35 million
Durant - $30 million
Thompson - $17.8 million
Green - $16.4 million

They are at about $100 million with four players. Right up against the salary cap. There are only three other players under contract:

Damian Jones - $1.2 million
Kevon Looney - $1.1 million
Patrick McGee - $905,000

Looney has had multiple hip injuries and surgeries. No one is taking his salary, so you can stop with that dumb idea. The Warriors need more contracts like his.

AI made $12 million this past season and too many teams will want him, so he will get paid at least that much. Shaun Livingston was paid about $5.8 million last season. He is worth at least $10 million and if he gets on the open market it will go much higher. Evan Turner, a very similar player, got $70 million for 4 seasons from Portland last year. Matthew Delladova got $9.6 million per season for 4 years from Milwaukee. Livingston is at least as good as those two guys.

The Warriors can sign those two and Ian Clark by using their Bird rights, but it will not be cheap. Players are not looking to give up millions of dollars. Clark's Bird rights will start him at $5 million next season. He will get a 175% increase off of his current salary or the NBA average salary, which ever is higher. The NBA average salary is $5 million.

So if the Warriors can re-sign all three of these guys using their Bird rights, they are going to be up near $130 million in salary. That would be for ten players. The Warriors would still need to add another five players to complete their roster and they have no draft picks. David West probably retires or goes looking for more money. McAdoo is considered by his teammates a 7th or 8th man on another team. He is probably gone. This is going to be a challenge for the Warriors to fill the back-end of the roster. They are going to be at least $10-$15 million over the luxury tax threshold in the end.
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So, how is this all WAC related again? Just checking...

(Maybe we need to get stugray & bobcat a room. Haha.)
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