(05-17-2017 12:01 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 11:58 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 11:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  if we start a series with Arkansas, I hope it starts in 2018-19 because they will be really good next season and we won't...

take our team, give em a year of experience, plus add Alex Lomax...and THEN bring on UPigg.

I don't know how good we can or will be next season. I've got to see us play. But your thinking of us being good in 2018-19 I think will be right. My feeling is in 2018-19 we will have five seniors and Jamal Johnson, Nickleberry, and Enoch will be sophomores with a good freshman class. So I do like our chances of being good in 18-19!

I mean to say they'll be like top-25 good this season...I think we could win 18-19 games, but I doubt we could hang with UPigg on the road.

and I'd hate to give em a ripe opportunity to come into FEF and get a W

I see what you mean

(05-17-2017 11:34 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 08:46 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:41 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 07:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 12:33 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Gripe, gripe, gripe. Where have y'all been over the last 30 years?

Historically, our Tigers do play a weak non-conference schedule. We play very few marquee games against top teams in Nov. & Dec. The best matchups in our early schedule have usually occurred in pre-season tournaments.

I still plan to buy my season tickets. I assume from all the griping that the wife and I will be the only ones attending.

Can y'all just let up on the negativity for a while? I am fairy sick of most of the mess on here.

Here's some home OOC schedule history for you just to refresh your memory -

2006 - Cincy, MTSU, OM (with UTK, UK, OK, GA Tech away) among others
2007 - Georgetown, Arizona, Pepperdine, Gonzaga, UTK (UConn, MTSU, Cincy & USC away)
2008 - UMass, Syracuse, Drexel, Cincy, (Gonzaga, UTK, Xavier, Georgetown away)

And even some of the weaker schools I didn't mention are better than what we see routinely now.

And then the JP years of weaker OOC schedules progressively every year thereafter.

I've been a season ticket holder through the good & bad, FB & BB. But I can tell you, I'd much rather see some strong teams come in than to play weak teams, win or lose. And apparently a lot of others would prefer that too given the empty houses I've seen in recent years. I'm just not driving from Atlanta to see Holy Innocence or USC Upstate or the like........& that seems the logic of those in Memphis too.

isn't that part of why we left CUSA...so we don't have to schedule like that OOC?

I mean, CUSA played a 16 game schedule so we could play 4 OOC road games every year...we can't do that anymore with an 18 game conference schedule.

Ok, but we still play some conference cupcakes - ECU, Tulane, USF come mind. And don't forget, the AAC has been the perennial 7th strongest MBB conference - not appreciably better than then-CUSA (although I believe it much better), but still a 1/2 bid league (WSU a good addition). And the primary need to play a better level of HOME OOC games is to provide for more ticket-buying fan interest in the program, i.e., get people attending games - not attempt to mimic the scheduling methods of the stronger conferences. The admin, the coach, media & some of the fan base can come up with all sorts of technical reasons why it is not in the program's interest to schedule schools with high rpi & closer to marquee status among the HOME OOC schedule. But those reasons won't include fan interest & financial considerations. I will acknowledge the coming year's schedule as improved over the previous year schedule but I am confident (unfortunately) that the ticket buying public sees little distinction between N KY, Mercer, Albany, Bryant, Loyola (MD) & Siena than in prior years where Holy Innocence, UTRGV, Savannah St, Nichols St, SEMO etc were the unknown cupcakes.

And BTW, Memphis & the AAC are not in a position to play a schedule like that of UK, ACC, B1G, B12 or even the BE because the AAC is not recognized as a strong MBB conference. No doubt, the 2017-18 Tiger team will likely need a diet of cupcakes early to come together as a team but the program is bleeding red-ink & needs ticket-buying fans. And personally, I'd love to have motivation to drive from Atlanta another 5-6 times each fall to watch the Tigers play.

Quote:The admin, the coach, media & some of the fan base can come up with all sorts of technical reasons why it is not in the program's interest to schedule schools with high rpi & closer to marquee status among the HOME OOC schedule.

You have repeated this statement over the years and it has no truth to it. Do you think we would turn down a home and home with Duke, UNC, Kansas, UCLA or Michigan State?

We are only occasionally able to get a couple of good teams to agree to home and homes in years when we are very good. Otherwise, nobody wants to play us. Gonzaga is a perfect example. When both schools were good we played each other. When they slipped a bit our fans grumbled about it and when we slipped they dropped us.

If you hadn't been repeating the same thing over and over, I would ask you if you really think the admin and coaching staff actively turn down good opponents or if you are joking. Sadly, I know that you aren't.

Word is we turned one down with Butler.........UTK, OM, AR & Vandy over the past years. You guys must think the program runs on words rather than money.

(05-16-2017 01:46 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:23 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Thanks. Below is the non-conference schedule:

Nov. 10 vs. Alabama in Annapolis, Md. as part of Veterans Classic
Nov. 14 vs. Arkansas-Little Rock
Nov. 21 vs. New Orleans
Nov. 25 vs. Northern Kentucky
Nov. 30 at UAB
Dec. 2 vs. Mercer
Dec. 16 vs. Louisville at Madison Square Garden
Dec. 28 vs. LSU
TBA vs. Albany
TBA vs. Bryant
TBA vs. Siena
TBA vs. Loyola (Md.)
TBA vs. Samford

Mark is wrong. We played Loyola (MD) previously on 12/30/12 (we won). EDIT: he fixed it.

This may not excite people, but I am very pleased that we are almost cutting out the 250-350 RPI games entirely.

Some of that 250+ RPI stuff had to do with the early season tourney we played in. They give you those home heels that the NCAA allows to only count as "1 game" towards the max, or something like that. Last year, those first 4 games were about the worst 4 all year. Put us in an RPI hole we were digging out of all year long.

Next year, we don't have that kind of tourney scheduled. At least, I don't believe the Veterans Classic does that.

(05-16-2017 07:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Here's some home OOC schedule history for you just to refresh your memory -

2006 - Cincy, MTSU, OM (with UTK, UK, OK, GA Tech away) among others
2007 - Georgetown, Arizona, Pepperdine, Gonzaga, UTK (UConn, MTSU, Cincy & USC away)
2008 - UMass, Syracuse, Drexel, Cincy, (Gonzaga, UTK, Xavier, Georgetown away)

And even some of the weaker schools I didn't mention are better than what we see routinely now.

And then the JP years of weaker OOC schedules progressively every year thereafter.

Different times, friend. On many levels. One, we were CUSA so we absolutely had to do it. Two, we were a national program that could command big tv exposure whomever we played. Three, the P5's have changed their approach over the years.

(05-17-2017 08:46 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Ok, but we still play some conference cupcakes - ECU, Tulane, USF come mind. And don't forget, the AAC has been the perennial 7th strongest MBB conference - not appreciably better than then-CUSA (although I believe it much better), but still a 1/2 bid league (WSU a good addition). And the primary need to play a better level of HOME OOC games is to provide for more ticket-buying fan interest in the program, i.e., get people attending games - not attempt to mimic the scheduling methods of the stronger conferences. The admin, the coach, media & some of the fan base can come up with all sorts of technical reasons why it is not in the program's interest to schedule schools with high rpi & closer to marquee status among the HOME OOC schedule. But those reasons won't include fan interest & financial considerations. I will acknowledge the coming year's schedule as improved over the previous year schedule but I am confident (unfortunately) that the ticket buying public sees little distinction between N KY, Mercer, Albany, Bryant, Loyola (MD) & Siena than in prior years where Holy Innocence, UTRGV, Savannah St, Nichols St, SEMO etc were the unknown cupcakes.

And BTW, Memphis & the AAC are not in a position to play a schedule like that of UK, ACC, B1G, B12 or even the BE because the AAC is not recognized as a strong MBB conference. No doubt, the 2017-18 Tiger team will likely need a diet of cupcakes early to come together as a team but the program is bleeding red-ink & needs ticket-buying fans. And personally, I'd love to have motivation to drive from Atlanta another 5-6 times each fall to watch the Tigers play.

In the four years of its existence, the AAC has had 4, 2, 4, and 2 representatives in the NCAA tourney. CUSA has sent only their conference tourney winner every year since we went as a multiple rep in 2012. It's literally the difference in a 1-bid league versus a 3-bid league. Now we've add WSU, so probably a 3/4 bid league. There is an undeniable upgrade in conference scheduling.

(05-17-2017 11:17 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 08:46 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:41 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 07:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 12:33 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Gripe, gripe, gripe. Where have y'all been over the last 30 years?

Historically, our Tigers do play a weak non-conference schedule. We play very few marquee games against top teams in Nov. & Dec. The best matchups in our early schedule have usually occurred in pre-season tournaments.

I still plan to buy my season tickets. I assume from all the griping that the wife and I will be the only ones attending.

Can y'all just let up on the negativity for a while? I am fairy sick of most of the mess on here.

Here's some home OOC schedule history for you just to refresh your memory -

2006 - Cincy, MTSU, OM (with UTK, UK, OK, GA Tech away) among others
2007 - Georgetown, Arizona, Pepperdine, Gonzaga, UTK (UConn, MTSU, Cincy & USC away)
2008 - UMass, Syracuse, Drexel, Cincy, (Gonzaga, UTK, Xavier, Georgetown away)

And even some of the weaker schools I didn't mention are better than what we see routinely now.

And then the JP years of weaker OOC schedules progressively every year thereafter.

I've been a season ticket holder through the good & bad, FB & BB. But I can tell you, I'd much rather see some strong teams come in than to play weak teams, win or lose. And apparently a lot of others would prefer that too given the empty houses I've seen in recent years. I'm just not driving from Atlanta to see Holy Innocence or USC Upstate or the like........& that seems the logic of those in Memphis too.

isn't that part of why we left CUSA...so we don't have to schedule like that OOC?

I mean, CUSA played a 16 game schedule so we could play 4 OOC road games every year...we can't do that anymore with an 18 game conference schedule.

Ok, but we still play some conference cupcakes - ECU, Tulane, USF come mind. And don't forget, the AAC has been the perennial 7th strongest MBB conference - not appreciably better than then-CUSA (although I believe it much better), but still a 1/2 bid league (WSU a good addition). And the primary need to play a better level of HOME OOC games is to provide for more ticket-buying fan interest in the program, i.e., get people attending games - not attempt to mimic the scheduling methods of the stronger conferences. The admin, the coach, media & some of the fan base can come up with all sorts of technical reasons why it is not in the program's interest to schedule schools with high rpi & closer to marquee status among the HOME OOC schedule. But those reasons won't include fan interest & financial considerations. I will acknowledge the coming year's schedule as improved over the previous year schedule but I am confident (unfortunately) that the ticket buying public sees little distinction between N KY, Mercer, Albany, Bryant, Loyola (MD) & Siena than in prior years where Holy Innocence, UTRGV, Savannah St, Nichols St, SEMO etc were the unknown cupcakes.

And BTW, Memphis & the AAC are not in a position to play a schedule like that of UK, ACC, B1G, B12 or even the BE because the AAC is not recognized as a strong MBB conference. No doubt, the 2017-18 Tiger team will likely need a diet of cupcakes early to come together as a team but the program is bleeding red-ink & needs ticket-buying fans. And personally, I'd love to have motivation to drive from Atlanta another 5-6 times each fall to watch the Tigers play.

winning brings out the fans...not the opponent...simple as that. (I don't want 'fans' who come to see whoever we're playing)

as for the rest, the difference between CUSA and the AAC is simply the difference between a 1 bid conference and a potential 4 bid conference.

you can come up with whatever personal reasons you want to be a fair weather fan...that's a personal problem...not the UofMs problem...we'll just move on without you.

I agree with you on the scheduling debate, but you're off on Atlanta's fandom.

(05-17-2017 01:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 11:17 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 08:46 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:41 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 07:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Here's some home OOC schedule history for you just to refresh your memory -

2006 - Cincy, MTSU, OM (with UTK, UK, OK, GA Tech away) among others
2007 - Georgetown, Arizona, Pepperdine, Gonzaga, UTK (UConn, MTSU, Cincy & USC away)
2008 - UMass, Syracuse, Drexel, Cincy, (Gonzaga, UTK, Xavier, Georgetown away)

And even some of the weaker schools I didn't mention are better than what we see routinely now.

And then the JP years of weaker OOC schedules progressively every year thereafter.

I've been a season ticket holder through the good & bad, FB & BB. But I can tell you, I'd much rather see some strong teams come in than to play weak teams, win or lose. And apparently a lot of others would prefer that too given the empty houses I've seen in recent years. I'm just not driving from Atlanta to see Holy Innocence or USC Upstate or the like........& that seems the logic of those in Memphis too.

isn't that part of why we left CUSA...so we don't have to schedule like that OOC?

I mean, CUSA played a 16 game schedule so we could play 4 OOC road games every year...we can't do that anymore with an 18 game conference schedule.

Ok, but we still play some conference cupcakes - ECU, Tulane, USF come mind. And don't forget, the AAC has been the perennial 7th strongest MBB conference - not appreciably better than then-CUSA (although I believe it much better), but still a 1/2 bid league (WSU a good addition). And the primary need to play a better level of HOME OOC games is to provide for more ticket-buying fan interest in the program, i.e., get people attending games - not attempt to mimic the scheduling methods of the stronger conferences. The admin, the coach, media & some of the fan base can come up with all sorts of technical reasons why it is not in the program's interest to schedule schools with high rpi & closer to marquee status among the HOME OOC schedule. But those reasons won't include fan interest & financial considerations. I will acknowledge the coming year's schedule as improved over the previous year schedule but I am confident (unfortunately) that the ticket buying public sees little distinction between N KY, Mercer, Albany, Bryant, Loyola (MD) & Siena than in prior years where Holy Innocence, UTRGV, Savannah St, Nichols St, SEMO etc were the unknown cupcakes.

And BTW, Memphis & the AAC are not in a position to play a schedule like that of UK, ACC, B1G, B12 or even the BE because the AAC is not recognized as a strong MBB conference. No doubt, the 2017-18 Tiger team will likely need a diet of cupcakes early to come together as a team but the program is bleeding red-ink & needs ticket-buying fans. And personally, I'd love to have motivation to drive from Atlanta another 5-6 times each fall to watch the Tigers play.

winning brings out the fans...not the opponent...simple as that. (I don't want 'fans' who come to see whoever we're playing)

as for the rest, the difference between CUSA and the AAC is simply the difference between a 1 bid conference and a potential 4 bid conference.

you can come up with whatever personal reasons you want to be a fair weather fan...that's a personal problem...not the UofMs problem...we'll just move on without you.

I agree with you on the scheduling debate, but you're off on Atlanta's fandom.

very well, mea culpa...I'll admit when I'm wrong.

Atlanta might I suggest Memphis @ UAB? that could be a easy game for you and the fam...then perhaps LSU @ Memphis...that should be a fun home game.

(05-17-2017 11:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  if you come to see the team Memphis is playing...you're a fair weather fan in my opinion...you can take it or leave it, I care not.

You couldn't be more insufferable if you tried.

(05-17-2017 04:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 11:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  if you come to see the team Memphis is playing...you're a fair weather fan in my opinion...you can take it or leave it, I care not.

You couldn't be more insufferable if you tried.

Yep and after this thread I have put him on ignore. I will only see him if he is quoted.

(05-17-2017 04:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 11:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  if you come to see the team Memphis is playing...you're a fair weather fan in my opinion...you can take it or leave it, I care not.

You couldn't be more insufferable if you tried.

is that a challenge?

(05-17-2017 04:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 04:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 11:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  if you come to see the team Memphis is playing...you're a fair weather fan in my opinion...you can take it or leave it, I care not.

You couldn't be more insufferable if you tried.

Yep and after this thread I have put him on ignore. I will only see him if he is quoted.

just now! damn, I'll have to try harder next time...I figure you already had me on ignore[/rollseyes]

(05-17-2017 11:18 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 11:03 AM)fsquid Wrote:  It's better than last year on paper

it's better in reality as well.

well since no one has played a game in the season these games will be played in, I don't think your comment is correct.

(05-18-2017 01:13 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 04:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 04:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-17-2017 11:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  if you come to see the team Memphis is playing...you're a fair weather fan in my opinion...you can take it or leave it, I care not.

You couldn't be more insufferable if you tried.

Yep and after this thread I have put him on ignore. I will only see him if he is quoted.

just now! damn, I'll have to try harder next time...I figure you already had me on ignore[/rollseyes]

Since he only sees your quotes, I'll quote you, lol.