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RE: Fox gets OSU vs Michigan and other marquee matchups
(05-16-2017 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 08:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so lets look at the 2 packages based on these 1st 5 weeks....

Fox gets-
Ohio St/Michigan
Ohio St/Penn St
Michigan St/Notre Dame
Pittsburgh/Penn St
Iowa/Northwestern

ESPN gets
Penn St/Michigan
Ohio St/Oklahoma
Penn St/Iowa
Michigan St/Northwestern
Iowa/Nebraska

ESPN also gets next 1st choice and I would assume would take Michigan/Michigan St. Fox would get Wisconsin/Nebraska.

All in all, the packages are really close.

They are relatively close---except FOX paid 100 million more for thier package than ESPN did. I do think the FOX package includes the CCG, which would explain some of the price difference.

it's only 50 million difference per year(240 vs 190). The CCG is a difference- but I'm not sure it and the Michigan/Ohio St game will wind up being worth 50 million dollars each year.

B1G Championship game and Ohio St-/Michigan are worth $$$$$$.

2016 (viewers)
16.84M - Ohio St./Michigan
9.189M - B1G CCG

2015 (viewers)
10.84M - Ohio St./Michigan
9.818M - B1G CCG

These are easily the top 2 B1G games and almost double any other game. Over the last couple of seasons, most weeks topped out at 5-6M viewers and several B1G weekends were only in the 3-4M range.
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RE: Fox gets OSU vs Michigan and other marquee matchups
(05-16-2017 10:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 08:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so lets look at the 2 packages based on these 1st 5 weeks....

Fox gets-
Ohio St/Michigan
Ohio St/Penn St
Michigan St/Notre Dame
Pittsburgh/Penn St
Iowa/Northwestern

ESPN gets
Penn St/Michigan
Ohio St/Oklahoma
Penn St/Iowa
Michigan St/Northwestern
Iowa/Nebraska

ESPN also gets next 1st choice and I would assume would take Michigan/Michigan St. Fox would get Wisconsin/Nebraska.

All in all, the packages are really close.

They are relatively close---except FOX paid 100 million more for thier package than ESPN did. I do think the FOX package includes the CCG, which would explain some of the price difference.

it's only 50 million difference per year(240 vs 190). The CCG is a difference- but I'm not sure it and the Michigan/Ohio St game will wind up being worth 50 million dollars each year.

Stever, always towing the ESPN company line. Yes, they do get 2nd pick every year from those conferences.

No they don't.
Big 12- they get 1st choice in odd years(like this year)
Pac 12- it's 50/50(see Wedge's post)
Big 10- they get 1st choice in half the weeks. They will get the best OOC game of the year in Oklahoma/Ohio St.

Nice try though.
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RE: Fox gets OSU vs Michigan and other marquee matchups
(05-16-2017 10:40 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 08:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so lets look at the 2 packages based on these 1st 5 weeks....

Fox gets-
Ohio St/Michigan
Ohio St/Penn St
Michigan St/Notre Dame
Pittsburgh/Penn St
Iowa/Northwestern

ESPN gets
Penn St/Michigan
Ohio St/Oklahoma
Penn St/Iowa
Michigan St/Northwestern
Iowa/Nebraska

ESPN also gets next 1st choice and I would assume would take Michigan/Michigan St. Fox would get Wisconsin/Nebraska.

All in all, the packages are really close.

They are relatively close---except FOX paid 100 million more for thier package than ESPN did. I do think the FOX package includes the CCG, which would explain some of the price difference.

it's only 50 million difference per year(240 vs 190). The CCG is a difference- but I'm not sure it and the Michigan/Ohio St game will wind up being worth 50 million dollars each year.

B1G Championship game and Ohio St-/Michigan are worth $$$$$$.

2016 (viewers)
16.84M - Ohio St./Michigan
9.189M - B1G CCG

2015 (viewers)
10.84M - Ohio St./Michigan
9.818M - B1G CCG

These are easily the top 2 B1G games and almost double any other game. Over the last couple of seasons, most weeks topped out at 5-6M viewers and several B1G weekends were only in the 3-4M range.

except in 2015-
Michigan St/Ohio St- got 11.05M viewers- or more than either Ohio St/Michigan or the CCG.

While the Ohio St/Michigan game is a guaranteed good draw, end of the day, the packages are going to look remarkably similar. You look at the ratings end of the year and watch and see.
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RE: Fox gets OSU vs Michigan and other marquee matchups
(05-16-2017 10:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 08:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so lets look at the 2 packages based on these 1st 5 weeks....

Fox gets-
Ohio St/Michigan
Ohio St/Penn St
Michigan St/Notre Dame
Pittsburgh/Penn St
Iowa/Northwestern

ESPN gets
Penn St/Michigan
Ohio St/Oklahoma
Penn St/Iowa
Michigan St/Northwestern
Iowa/Nebraska

ESPN also gets next 1st choice and I would assume would take Michigan/Michigan St. Fox would get Wisconsin/Nebraska.

All in all, the packages are really close.

They are relatively close---except FOX paid 100 million more for thier package than ESPN did. I do think the FOX package includes the CCG, which would explain some of the price difference.

it's only 50 million difference per year(240 vs 190). The CCG is a difference- but I'm not sure it and the Michigan/Ohio St game will wind up being worth 50 million dollars each year.

Stever, always towing the ESPN company line. Yes, they do get 2nd pick every year from those conferences.

No they don't.
Big 12- they get 1st choice in odd years(like this year)
Pac 12- it's 50/50(see Wedge's post)
Big 10- they get 1st choice in half the weeks. They will get the best OOC game of the year in Oklahoma/Ohio St.

Nice try though.

Do they ever get first pick of B1G game in any season? They always pick AFTER Fox. Hence they get the second pick. Stop spinning this Stever Spicer.
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RE: Fox gets OSU vs Michigan and other marquee matchups
(05-16-2017 10:46 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:40 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 08:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so lets look at the 2 packages based on these 1st 5 weeks....

Fox gets-
Ohio St/Michigan
Ohio St/Penn St
Michigan St/Notre Dame
Pittsburgh/Penn St
Iowa/Northwestern

ESPN gets
Penn St/Michigan
Ohio St/Oklahoma
Penn St/Iowa
Michigan St/Northwestern
Iowa/Nebraska

ESPN also gets next 1st choice and I would assume would take Michigan/Michigan St. Fox would get Wisconsin/Nebraska.

All in all, the packages are really close.

They are relatively close---except FOX paid 100 million more for thier package than ESPN did. I do think the FOX package includes the CCG, which would explain some of the price difference.

it's only 50 million difference per year(240 vs 190). The CCG is a difference- but I'm not sure it and the Michigan/Ohio St game will wind up being worth 50 million dollars each year.

B1G Championship game and Ohio St-/Michigan are worth $$$$$$.

2016 (viewers)
16.84M - Ohio St./Michigan
9.189M - B1G CCG

2015 (viewers)
10.84M - Ohio St./Michigan
9.818M - B1G CCG

These are easily the top 2 B1G games and almost double any other game. Over the last couple of seasons, most weeks topped out at 5-6M viewers and several B1G weekends were only in the 3-4M range.

except in 2015-
Michigan St/Ohio St- got 11.05M viewers- or more than either Ohio St/Michigan or the CCG.

While the Ohio St/Michigan game is a guaranteed good draw, end of the day, the packages are going to look remarkably similar. You look at the ratings end of the year and watch and see.

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootbal...en_mo.html

Yup, MSU-OSU beat Mich-OSU in total viewers in 2015.
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RE: Fox gets OSU vs Michigan and other marquee matchups
(05-16-2017 10:52 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  They are relatively close---except FOX paid 100 million more for thier package than ESPN did. I do think the FOX package includes the CCG, which would explain some of the price difference.

it's only 50 million difference per year(240 vs 190). The CCG is a difference- but I'm not sure it and the Michigan/Ohio St game will wind up being worth 50 million dollars each year.

Stever, always towing the ESPN company line. Yes, they do get 2nd pick every year from those conferences.

No they don't.
Big 12- they get 1st choice in odd years(like this year)
Pac 12- it's 50/50(see Wedge's post)
Big 10- they get 1st choice in half the weeks. They will get the best OOC game of the year in Oklahoma/Ohio St.

Nice try though.

Do they ever get first pick of B1G game in any season? They always pick AFTER Fox. Hence they get the second pick. Stop spinning this Stever Spicer.

Right, but it's not like some folks are spinning it saying that ESPN gets 2nd picks all year long. Just face the fact that the packages are pretty damn close to the same. ESPN haters would make you think that Fox will get to pick and choose what games they get from Big Ten before ESPN gets anything. You look at the top 6 week picks(if ESPN drafts the Ohio St/Nebraska game).

Fox gets-
Ohio St/Michigan
Ohio St/Penn St
Michigan St/Notre Dame
Pittsburgh/Penn St
Iowa/Northwestern
Michigan St/Minnesota

ESPN gets
Penn St/Michigan
Ohio St/Oklahoma
Penn St/Iowa
Michigan St/Northwestern
Iowa/Nebraska
Ohio St/Nebraska

I'm sorry- but any objective person would say that's pretty damn close to equal.
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RE: Fox gets OSU vs Michigan and other marquee matchups
oh I looked-
2014 wasn't posted....
Ohio St/Michigan only got 8.23M viewers.....
CCG got only 6.13M viewers.....

2013-
Ohio St/Michigan 9.50M viewers.
CCG got 13.90M viewers.

so 4 year averages....
Ohio St/Michigan 11.35M viewers
CCG 9.76M viewers
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(05-16-2017 08:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we're not trying to correct you. We ARE correcting you. Your chart was wrong, wrong, dead ******* wrong.

ESPN gets this year-
Big Ten- 6 weeks with the #1 choice, 7 weeks with #2 choice
Big 12- #1 choice each week
Pac 12- 50% choices
SEC- #2 game
ACC- all games

far better than your chart was.

I'm not sure the Big 12 is correct. I think it is similar to the Big 10 in they get their first choice of week. I'm assuming they picked Oklahoma/Texas, and with their 2nd pick FOX took Bedlam.

If ESPN had the first choice each week, there's no reason FOX would be showing Bedlam as one of their premier games this season.
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RE: Fox gets OSU vs Michigan and other marquee matchups
(05-16-2017 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 08:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so lets look at the 2 packages based on these 1st 5 weeks....

Fox gets-
Ohio St/Michigan
Ohio St/Penn St
Michigan St/Notre Dame
Pittsburgh/Penn St
Iowa/Northwestern

ESPN gets
Penn St/Michigan
Ohio St/Oklahoma
Penn St/Iowa
Michigan St/Northwestern
Iowa/Nebraska

ESPN also gets next 1st choice and I would assume would take Michigan/Michigan St. Fox would get Wisconsin/Nebraska.

All in all, the packages are really close.

They are relatively close---except FOX paid 100 million more for thier package than ESPN did. I do think the FOX package includes the CCG, which would explain some of the price difference.

it's only 50 million difference per year(240 vs 190). The CCG is a difference- but I'm not sure it and the Michigan/Ohio St game will wind up being worth 50 million dollars each year.

The Big Ten CCG alone was already worth over $23 million per year under the just-expired Fox contract that was signed in the BCS era. It's reasonable to assume that the CCG value received an increase from inflation/competitive bidding/higher ratings in the CFP era and then there's the extra carrot of the #1 overall game pick of the year. That $50 million difference sounds about right considering everything in play here.
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RE: Fox gets OSU vs Michigan and other marquee matchups
(05-16-2017 11:53 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 08:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so lets look at the 2 packages based on these 1st 5 weeks....

Fox gets-
Ohio St/Michigan
Ohio St/Penn St
Michigan St/Notre Dame
Pittsburgh/Penn St
Iowa/Northwestern

ESPN gets
Penn St/Michigan
Ohio St/Oklahoma
Penn St/Iowa
Michigan St/Northwestern
Iowa/Nebraska

ESPN also gets next 1st choice and I would assume would take Michigan/Michigan St. Fox would get Wisconsin/Nebraska.

All in all, the packages are really close.

They are relatively close---except FOX paid 100 million more for thier package than ESPN did. I do think the FOX package includes the CCG, which would explain some of the price difference.

it's only 50 million difference per year(240 vs 190). The CCG is a difference- but I'm not sure it and the Michigan/Ohio St game will wind up being worth 50 million dollars each year.

The Big Ten CCG alone was already worth over $23 million per year under the just-expired Fox contract that was signed in the BCS era. It's reasonable to assume that the CCG value received an increase from inflation/competitive bidding/higher ratings in the CFP era and then there's the extra carrot of the #1 overall game pick of the year. That $50 million difference sounds about right considering everything in play here.

The problem is that The #1 overall game pick may not be the #1 game of the year. ABC getting Oklahoma/Ohio St is huge. End of the day, the regular season package between Fox and ABC/ESPN will be almost equal ratings wise. Very possible some years ABC/ESPN will actually beat Fox. You look at the packages I showed, and they're pretty much equal when you look at all the weeks.
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