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RE: CUSA Basketball Tournament to Dallas, well, Frisco, Texas
(05-16-2017 11:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  This is pretty innovative and the conference really has to try something. Time to wait and see how it plays out. Don't see how it can be worse than Birmingham, Alabama though.

Here is an idea of something they can "try". Splitting the men's and women's tournaments so that the women's tournament no longer holds the conference back. They could also "try" letting the higher seed host until the semifinals, that would generate some fans at games, and would be slightly less bush league than playing BooPlex style in a football practice facility, in a town that doesn't have a home team.

There are a number of things they can "try" that would be less embarrassing, and present a much better chance for success, they just have to give up on this whole two tournaments, one town nonsense.


Do you know what the financials are and how they compare with the different options available? What about having 2 games at one time in one large stadium makes it embarrassing? How many other people are "embarrassed?"
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RE: CUSA Basketball Tournament to Dallas, well, Frisco, Texas
I'm sure this is much cheaper. CUSA headquarters is 30 miles away in Irving, TX. Not sure how many employees they have, but they don't have to travel anywhere... but it isn't like that savings will go benefit us so why would we care? Again, there are no good options anyway and there is no way to make this tournament a winner. It isn't like they can hold it on Saturday and Sunday at Richmond Coliseum and fill it with ODU, VCU, GMU, and JMU fans driving an hour and a half by the thousands. They should just ditch the tournament and give the auto bid to the regular season champ.
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RE: CUSA Basketball Tournament to Dallas, well, Frisco, Texas
I am not a fan of the idea because we tried it at ETSU. (not your ETSU ODU Aggie) When we opened the Mini-Dome for football with 12,000 seats they decided they would also use it for basketball. They stuck a basketball court in the middle of where the field was (football turf rolled up and stored) and it was awful. Fans a long way from the court, our crowds were small for such a large facility which equaled no crowd noise. I know teams are probably more used to this today (40 years later) but the ridiculous expanse of the facility and the height of the roof destroyed teams shooting percentages and play in general. Our Coach Sonny Smith (before his Auburn-Barkley days) hated it so much he begged to be moved back into our old 1950s era gym. Admins said no, we have a new multi-million dollar facility and we are going to use it. Over the decades they tried putting a few bleachers down on the floor (mostly for students). They tried moving it closer to one side of the stadium stands but, of course, that moved it further away from the other side. I could go on but a few years ago (4 maybe) they finally gave up and admitted it was an idea that failed. ETSU now plays all of it's home games at Freedom Hall the Johnson City, TN version of Scope (albeit 1/2 the size). I do not argue that Dallas is a better location and might draw more fans but it will be a vast football facility which will not help the atmosphere. Finally, I know these days they play the NCAA Finals in a even bigger football facility but they also have huge crowds and teams that are used to it. I just don't see it working for CUSA but maybe it will. I just know it did not work for my old school and they tried for 40 years.
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RE: CUSA Basketball Tournament to Dallas, well, Frisco, Texas
Still can't believe ETSU ever thought a dome was a good idea in Johnson City. By the way, I was just visiting family in the Tri-cities and saw the new stadium is coming along nicely. Reminds me of Charlotte's.
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RE: CUSA Basketball Tournament to Dallas, well, Frisco, Texas
(05-16-2017 11:18 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 11:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  This is pretty innovative and the conference really has to try something. Time to wait and see how it plays out. Don't see how it can be worse than Birmingham, Alabama though.

Here is an idea of something they can "try". Splitting the men's and women's tournaments so that the women's tournament no longer holds the conference back. They could also "try" letting the higher seed host until the semifinals, that would generate some fans at games, and would be slightly less bush league than playing BooPlex style in a football practice facility, in a town that doesn't have a home team.

There are a number of things they can "try" that would be less embarrassing, and present a much better chance for success, they just have to give up on this whole two tournaments, one town nonsense.


Do you know what the financials are and how they compare with the different options available? What about having 2 games at one time in one large stadium makes it embarrassing? How many other people are "embarrassed?"

This is not one "large" stadium. I seats 12,000 people. And what is wrong is the optics of having some AAU style garbage going on in the conference show case. As to financials, what would make them look good is filling stadiums. This won't do that.
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RE: CUSA Basketball Tournament to Dallas, well, Frisco, Texas
(05-16-2017 12:24 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 11:18 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 11:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  This is pretty innovative and the conference really has to try something. Time to wait and see how it plays out. Don't see how it can be worse than Birmingham, Alabama though.

Here is an idea of something they can "try". Splitting the men's and women's tournaments so that the women's tournament no longer holds the conference back. They could also "try" letting the higher seed host until the semifinals, that would generate some fans at games, and would be slightly less bush league than playing BooPlex style in a football practice facility, in a town that doesn't have a home team.

There are a number of things they can "try" that would be less embarrassing, and present a much better chance for success, they just have to give up on this whole two tournaments, one town nonsense.


Do you know what the financials are and how they compare with the different options available? What about having 2 games at one time in one large stadium makes it embarrassing? How many other people are "embarrassed?"

This is not one "large" stadium. I seats 12,000 people. And what is wrong is the optics of having some AAU style garbage going on in the conference show case. As to financials, what would make them look good is filling stadiums. This won't do that.

It seats 12k for football. You're adding a lot of space when you shrink down the field of play and sidelines for hoops?
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RE: CUSA Basketball Tournament to Dallas, well, Frisco, Texas
(05-16-2017 12:24 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 11:18 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 11:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  This is pretty innovative and the conference really has to try something. Time to wait and see how it plays out. Don't see how it can be worse than Birmingham, Alabama though.

Here is an idea of something they can "try". Splitting the men's and women's tournaments so that the women's tournament no longer holds the conference back. They could also "try" letting the higher seed host until the semifinals, that would generate some fans at games, and would be slightly less bush league than playing BooPlex style in a football practice facility, in a town that doesn't have a home team.

There are a number of things they can "try" that would be less embarrassing, and present a much better chance for success, they just have to give up on this whole two tournaments, one town nonsense.


Do you know what the financials are and how they compare with the different options available? What about having 2 games at one time in one large stadium makes it embarrassing? How many other people are "embarrassed?"

This is not one "large" stadium. I seats 12,000 people. And what is wrong is the optics of having some AAU style garbage going on in the conference show case. As to financials, what would make them look good is filling stadiums. This won't do that.

Is 12,000 seating capacity the right number? Isn't this considered large compared to what we see?

Why do you believe AAU style is "garbage?"

There are a lot more components to financials than filing up a stadium.
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RE: CUSA Basketball Tournament to Dallas, well, Frisco, Texas
(05-16-2017 12:30 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 12:24 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 11:18 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 11:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  This is pretty innovative and the conference really has to try something. Time to wait and see how it plays out. Don't see how it can be worse than Birmingham, Alabama though.

Here is an idea of something they can "try". Splitting the men's and women's tournaments so that the women's tournament no longer holds the conference back. They could also "try" letting the higher seed host until the semifinals, that would generate some fans at games, and would be slightly less bush league than playing BooPlex style in a football practice facility, in a town that doesn't have a home team.

There are a number of things they can "try" that would be less embarrassing, and present a much better chance for success, they just have to give up on this whole two tournaments, one town nonsense.


Do you know what the financials are and how they compare with the different options available? What about having 2 games at one time in one large stadium makes it embarrassing? How many other people are "embarrassed?"

This is not one "large" stadium. I seats 12,000 people. And what is wrong is the optics of having some AAU style garbage going on in the conference show case. As to financials, what would make them look good is filling stadiums. This won't do that.

It seats 12k for football. You're adding a lot of space when you shrink down the field of play and sidelines for hoops?

I guess shrinking it some, but you are also adding a second basketball court.
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RE: CUSA Basketball Tournament to Dallas, well, Frisco, Texas
(05-16-2017 12:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 12:24 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 11:18 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 11:11 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 10:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  This is pretty innovative and the conference really has to try something. Time to wait and see how it plays out. Don't see how it can be worse than Birmingham, Alabama though.

Here is an idea of something they can "try". Splitting the men's and women's tournaments so that the women's tournament no longer holds the conference back. They could also "try" letting the higher seed host until the semifinals, that would generate some fans at games, and would be slightly less bush league than playing BooPlex style in a football practice facility, in a town that doesn't have a home team.

There are a number of things they can "try" that would be less embarrassing, and present a much better chance for success, they just have to give up on this whole two tournaments, one town nonsense.


Do you know what the financials are and how they compare with the different options available? What about having 2 games at one time in one large stadium makes it embarrassing? How many other people are "embarrassed?"

This is not one "large" stadium. I seats 12,000 people. And what is wrong is the optics of having some AAU style garbage going on in the conference show case. As to financials, what would make them look good is filling stadiums. This won't do that.

Is 12,000 seating capacity the right number? Isn't this considered large compared to what we see?

Why do you believe AAU style is "garbage?"

There are a lot more components to financials than filing up a stadium.

Because AAU is as amateur as it gets
12,000 for both venues? Not much.
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RE: CUSA Basketball Tournament to Dallas, well, Frisco, Texas
(05-16-2017 12:01 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Still can't believe ETSU ever thought a dome was a good idea in Johnson City. By the way, I was just visiting family in the Tri-cities and saw the new stadium is coming along nicely. Reminds me of Charlotte's.

Well at the time when I was there the folks were pretty excited about the dome and it worked will at other places like Idaho & North Dakota. Alas that glow went away pretty fast at ETSU and then it was just a big waste of money. Well except for the track program and now an indoor practice facility. I agree the new stadium (ETSU) looks pretty good and with a great view of the mountains out the endzone. You are correct UNCC's stadium was one of the ones they gave a real look at before finalizing their plans. The key will be (and always has been) can they convince 10,000+ or so fans to pry their eyes off of UT long enough to come watch ETSU play. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that one but I have my doubts.
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