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In all honesty they should shut it down. It's mission is now overlapped by other schools and to be honest if you can only enroll a couple thousand students out of a city of 8M it's time to give up. It's unfortunate because they have a long history of over 150 years as a Teachers College.

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(05-15-2017 09:02 PM)panama Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even if it's better than most, it doesn't change my point.
That you can paint all HBCUs with a broad stroke? Or that Chicago State is a defacto HBCU? LOL

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Yes, it very much is a de facto HBCU and is even grouped with them on some websites. My HBCU was much better than, say, Alcorn State but my point remains the same.
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(05-15-2017 09:32 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:02 PM)panama Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even if it's better than most, it doesn't change my point.
That you can paint all HBCUs with a broad stroke? Or that Chicago State is a defacto HBCU? LOL

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Yes, it very much is a de facto HBCU and is even grouped with them on some websites. My HBCU was much better than, say, Alcorn State but my point remains the same.
How can you be a. HBCU if you are Not Historically Black. They maybe became majority black in the 80s. They served immigrant communities throughout the majority of their history. Are they majority Black today? Sure . But they are no more a HBCU than any other public urban school with a large black population. I guess by that definition GSU Is an HBCU with 20k African-American students.

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I said this in the other Chicago State thread, but CSU really should be a community college at the most. The idea behind having a four-year university around to provide affordable education for poor south siders is noble in intent, but when there's a glut of other struggling public schools nearby (Governors State, NEIU) and across the state (WIU, EIU, SIU) combined with a budget crunch, it's extremely difficult to maintain in a sustainable manner. A two-year school would serve its purpose well in that area, an associates degree for many nearby students would be enough to open up a number of opportunities that'd be unavailable to them otherwise. Although a closure is probably the most logical option financially imo.
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It's an HBCU in a sense based mostly on their current student body makeup and specially the type that they serve. These aren't middle class students from the suburbs but lower class with less education than most. Why is that so hard to grasp? There as some schools that weren't created to be a state flagship that may as well be one now days despite not having been created by the government to be one.
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(05-15-2017 10:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I said this in the other Chicago State thread, but CSU really should be a community college at the most. The idea behind having a four-year university around to provide affordable education for poor south siders is noble in intent, but when there's a glut of other struggling public schools nearby (Governors State, NEIU) and across the state (WIU, EIU, SIU) combined with a budget crunch, it's extremely difficult to maintain in a sustainable manner. A two-year school would serve its purpose well in that area, an associates degree for many nearby students would be enough to open up a number of opportunities that'd be unavailable to them otherwise. Although a closure is probably the most logical option financially imo.
The city and state have really done a disservice by not addressing the issue before. Tbey have had problems their entire history.

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(05-15-2017 09:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even if it's better than most, it doesn't change my point.
Your point was that
Quote: ... serves mostly impoverished African Americans like the HBCU's down south and east
If "the HBCU's down south and east" don't serve mostly impoverished African Americans, its more like demolishing your point than "changing" it.
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Several midwestern states should look at consolidating campuses. Closing a campus reduces a great deal of overhead. Shipping students to a nearby school instead where they have room makes sense. At most that school would absorb a few professors, but no additional overhead (already have administration, department heads, facilities people, dorms, etc).

The political will to close a campus or two is what is lacking.

As for this football team. It wont happen. Chicago State is not like the schools in the Pioneer, such as Valparaiso, Butler, Drake, San Diego, Jacksonville, et al, who are private schools where well funded students from mostly upper end families can pay the tuition. Chicago State attracts much more lower end of the socioeconomic scale kids who are not looking to pay tuition. You are not going to get a bunch of northside kids who are going to go into South Chicago to play football. It's not happening. Ditto for band, and the rest. The person interviewed has no power, and the President who appointed him lost his Presidency. The idea is dead. Chicago State will drop down and that will end the entire concept of Pioneer football (you have to be in D-I)
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(05-16-2017 01:11 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 09:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even if it's better than most, it doesn't change my point.
Your point was that
Quote: ... serves mostly impoverished African Americans like the HBCU's down south and east
If "the HBCU's down south and east" don't serve mostly impoverished African Americans, its more like demolishing your point than "changing" it.

The HBCU I went to more or less fit that mold, so sorry.
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(05-15-2017 06:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Shut down EIU and give the money to Chicago St.

No football. Just market the beautiful hoops gym and how NMSU/GCU/Bakersfield roll into town...for 10 bucks!

Eiu has double the enrollment (aT LEAST) and has had some athletic success. Panthers made it to the FCS quarterfinal football playoffs 3 years ago with Jimmy Garrapolo leading the offense. What success does Chicago State have to speak of
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