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(05-14-2017 01:31 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UMKC almost certainly leaves the WAC after next year. Their AD has been quoted about the need for geographic rivals and lower expenses. WAC needs Chi St.

Chicago St's arena is very unique. I don't think there's a D1 venue like it. Great sightlines to watch a game. Only a few hundred show up. Very accessible. South siders missing a hidden gem.

Should have been built for UIC though from what I can tell they also have a nice arena.
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(05-14-2017 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UMKC is like Omaha. They can shop themselves around all they want. There are no takers ... well maybe the Southland.

The WAC expects to eventually lose UMKC, that is why they are working on a couple SoCal schools to move up.

I thought they were just doing the WAC a favor, couldn't they go back to the Summit? I'd think they, if nothing else, could go to the Atlantic Sun.
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(05-14-2017 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UMKC is like Omaha. They can shop themselves around all they want. There are no takers ... well maybe the Southland.

The WAC expects to eventually lose UMKC, that is why they are working on a couple SoCal schools to move up.

I think in the long run the WAC will be better off without Chicago State and UMKC. Having a smaller geographic footprint will make it easier to attract one or two more D-II move-ups to follow in the footsteps of Grand Canyon and Cal Baptist, or possibly add current D-I schools like Sac State or Portland State if they should eventually choose to drop football.
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(05-14-2017 03:28 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UMKC is like Omaha. They can shop themselves around all they want. There are no takers ... well maybe the Southland.

The WAC expects to eventually lose UMKC, that is why they are working on a couple SoCal schools to move up.

I think in the long run the WAC will be better off without Chicago State and UMKC. Having a smaller geographic footprint will make it less difficult to attract one or two more D-II move-ups to follow in the footsteps of Grand Canyon and Cal Baptist, or possibly add current D-I schools like Sac State or Portland State if they should eventually choose to drop football.


There are several Lone Star schools that are hungry to move up. Some of them could built up to be FBS teams because of their stadium size.
Midwestern State in Wichita Falls 14,500
Texas A&M-Commerce 13,900
Texas A&M-Kingsville 15,000
UTPB 19-302
West Texas A&M 20,000 building a new on campus stadium that could be expanded to 22,500

Tarleton State was looking to go D1, but they have a stadium size of 7000.
Angelo State have the smallest of the Texas schools at 5600.
The smallest Lone Star conference stadium is Western New Mexico at 3000.
They were gaining two new members for football.
Oklahoma Panhandle State backing out to join NAIA.
New Mexico Highlands is joining their comrades of the other 2 New Mexico schools.
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Then again with UMKC, they weren't very far behind Chicago State as far as lack of contribution goes. I don't think they got kicked out of the Summit like CSU effectively did but I think they were lopped off onto the WAC both to help keep it alive and to try and see if they could be more competitive there. As far as I can recall in the 20+ years I've been following college basketball, they've never come close to the NCAA Tournament. They weren't as bad as Chicago State but also weren't very good and didn't contribute much to the Mid-Con/Summit.
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(05-14-2017 02:33 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 01:31 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UMKC almost certainly leaves the WAC after next year. Their AD has been quoted about the need for geographic rivals and lower expenses. WAC needs Chi St.

Chicago St's arena is very unique. I don't think there's a D1 venue like it. Great sightlines to watch a game. Only a few hundred show up. Very accessible. South siders missing a hidden gem.

Should have been built for UIC though from what I can tell they also have a nice arena.

Should've never been built in the first place honestly. Saving $38MM by not building anything wouldn't come close to solving Illinois' budget crisis, but the last thing they needed to spend money on was a new arena. Then again they broke ground in 2002 according to Wikipedia, things weren't nearly as dire for them back then.

In reality, CSU should be a community college at the most. The idea behind having a four-year university around to provide affordable education for poor south siders is noble in intent, but it's very difficult to execute in a sustainable manner. When there's a glut of other struggling public schools nearby (Governors State, NEIU) and across the state (WIU, EIU, SIU) combined with a budget crunch, someone's gonna be on the chopping block, and CSU is the 'easy' choice given their recent troubles. A two-year school would serve its purpose well in that area, an associates degree for many nearby students would be enough to open up a number of opportunities that'd be unavailable to them otherwise. A closure is probably the most logical option financially, but that'd be politically difficult to accomplish given the limited number of other options around.
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(05-13-2017 10:57 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Chicago State is in the fourth year of a five-year contract with the WAC. The WAC needed teams, and Chicago State needed a conference. This is not a permanent membership like most schools obtain.

However, things have become worse for Chicago State. I'd be shocked if they were in the WAC after the 2017-2018 school year.

The state budget crisis and sharp enrollment decrease at Chicago State has been documented. The school is barely staying alive.

I came across another message board thread discussing the Chicago State situation:

http://www.scout.com/sports/college/cfn/...ath-spiral

They are doing well to offer classes at this point. They have no business trying to run a Division I athletic program.

Thanks for that. It's amazing they still offer sports at all with their entire existence in stake
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That thread is a very interesting read. Thanks!
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The arena is nice with a presidential suite but has a lot of bench style sitting. The weight room is low level D-3, not even the top tier of D3, and training room was okay. It's a nice building with a great setup.

If the academic person quit tomorrow, they would literally lose their status. The one academic person is the glue holding the department together and their status as a d1 school.

I agree they should be a jc. The school isn't a d1, the majority of the students are non-traditional
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(05-14-2017 03:43 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 03:28 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UMKC is like Omaha. They can shop themselves around all they want. There are no takers ... well maybe the Southland.

The WAC expects to eventually lose UMKC, that is why they are working on a couple SoCal schools to move up.

I think in the long run the WAC will be better off without Chicago State and UMKC. Having a smaller geographic footprint will make it less difficult to attract one or two more D-II move-ups to follow in the footsteps of Grand Canyon and Cal Baptist, or possibly add current D-I schools like Sac State or Portland State if they should eventually choose to drop football.


There are several Lone Star schools that are hungry to move up. Some of them could built up to be FBS teams because of their stadium size.
Midwestern State in Wichita Falls 14,500
Texas A&M-Commerce 13,900
Texas A&M-Kingsville 15,000
UTPB 19-302
West Texas A&M 20,000 building a new on campus stadium that could be expanded to 22,500

Tarleton State was looking to go D1, but they have a stadium size of 7000.
Angelo State have the smallest of the Texas schools at 5600.
The smallest Lone Star conference stadium is Western New Mexico at 3000.
They were gaining two new members for football.
Oklahoma Panhandle State backing out to join NAIA.
New Mexico Highlands is joining their comrades of the other 2 New Mexico schools.

Sorry David, the WAC isn't going to be FBS, so none of those schools will not move up by dropping football.
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