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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
I'm not wholly convinced Rice would want to be in the MWC. It's a step up but not much of one with lots of increased travel, numerous extra time zones and academic lightweights abound. Rice would only leave for the AAC, ACC, B1G, Pac-12 and Big 12.
05-16-2017 12:40 AM
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
(05-15-2017 11:57 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 10:52 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I have lived in California for 38 years now. I am one of the large number of Great Lakes white folks in Silicon Valley. At this point I have to confess I am more a Bear than Buckeye.

I can tell you all the CSUs would vote in favor. While Fresno fans might be against, the administration thinks much more along the same lines as San Jose and San Diego. UC schools recruit different players than a Cal State, due to their admission policies, they are not really much competition - the UCSD problem of getting past the BW UC ADs is not an obstacle here. They are an easy travel partner for SJSU and raise the stature academically of the MWC. The academic boost will definitely encourage the four flagships to also vote for them.

I agree, Boise State, which is not from any part of California that I am aware of, may well have a different opinion. But then again the competition for that replacement spot of losing Colorado State is most likely Rice, another academic jewel. Boise would not be thrilled from a competition stand point with them either. (That is another school with a potential Pac-12 path).

Again we are talking close to a decade out, and under new management for UC Davis. Management that is very likely not going to materialize in time to take advantage of the opportunity. So this is probably something which would never get put to the test. Personally I'd love to have a UC in the MWC, as that would heat up the California rivalries.

I think your nuts and if you went to the MWC board, I doubt you would find a single fan that agrees with you. The MWC might invite Rice and would certainly invite any number of Texas CUSA schools before inviting Davis. The fact your a Silicon Valley Cal fan just speaks to how little you know the Valley. My guess is the most you know about the valley is the traffic on 80 driving to Reno.

But since your a Cal fan I will make you a sig bet. We will create a poll on the MWC board about losing CSU and with whom do we replace them with: Choices will be
Rice
UTEP
UTSA
Texas State
Montana
Sacramento State
North Texas
UC Davis.

If UC Davis is in the top 4 you win. If not I win and your sig will read:
Cal: 5th best in everything in California.

Deal?


The WAC's top choices while Boise, Fresno and San Jose was still there went like this.

Montana
Sacramento State
Cal.-Davis
Cal-Poly
Montana State
UTEP

They did not want to get anymore Texas schools like Rice and them because they got burned by them before when they left the WAC. Why would the WAC 2.0 block want to vote Rice in ahead of any other schools when Rice abandoned them to leave for C-USA? Boise, Hawaii, UNR, Fresno, San Jose all will vote hell no on Rice. There could still be hard feelings towards Rice to allow them to come back and rejoin those 5.
UTSA and Texas State would also have an issue on getting the votes from the remaining WAC members like Hawaii, Fresno and San Jose when they left after one or two seasons in the WAC with those schools. It was like a one night stand with those five schools. But, was there any rift between UTEP and the rest of the MWC schools that have not left before the WAC members joined?
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
(05-16-2017 12:40 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm not wholly convinced Rice would want to be in the MWC. It's a step up but not much of one with lots of increased travel, numerous extra time zones and academic lightweights abound. Rice would only leave for the AAC, ACC, B1G, Pac-12 and Big 12.

All depends on the TV deal differences. I'm not sure the MWC would want Rice over UTSA either.
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
I don't think UTSA wants the MWC either for the same reasons. Didn't they decline an invite to the MWC? UTSA's dream scenario., and I do mean dream, is to go to the AAC then up to the Big 12 or SEC. But most realistically AAC of the non-contract conferences.
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
Two schools were in very serious talks about joining the MWC, UTEP and Rice. There is a general lack of confidence in CUSA and the pathetic media package. The MWC likes both schools, but the money is not there in the current contract (no escalator clause) nor from the playoff distributions. So it has been tabled for the moment.

Make no mistake, Rice and UTEP want out of CUSA
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
(05-16-2017 10:45 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Two schools were in very serious talks about joining the MWC, UTEP and Rice. There is a general lack of confidence in CUSA and the pathetic media package. The MWC likes both schools, but the money is not their in the current contract (no escalator clause) nor from the playoff distributions. So it has been tabled for the moment.

Make no mistake, Rice and UTEP want out of CUSA

And Air Force wants games in Texas, UTEP fits with the Front Range schools (geography and history), and Rice has excellent academics in a great market for recruiting.

Also, to move Boise St. to the WEST division realigns them annually with their former WAC mates and the California market.

This move should happen in preparation for the contract renewal (after 2019 season?). So, perhaps an announcement as soon as next year?
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
(05-16-2017 12:40 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm not wholly convinced Rice would want to be in the MWC. It's a step up but not much of one with lots of increased travel, numerous extra time zones and academic lightweights abound. Rice would only leave for the AAC, ACC, B1G, Pac-12 and Big 12.

Then why did they apply for the MW?
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
That must have been recent, I must have missed it. There's no room at the in for them. Rice ought to invest, they have almost everything in place to be attractive to every major conference, including the SEC.
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
(05-16-2017 11:37 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  That must have been recent, I must have missed it. There's no room at the in for them. Rice ought to invest, they have almost everything in place to be attractive to every major conference, including the SEC.

Getting into Texas is a high priority for the MWC. Adding UC Davis is way down to never on the list.
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
That may be so but I still don't see why they'd be interested. They left the WAC for a reason and it was mostly about time zones and travel, with the extra bonus of their semi-elite conference they joined being partitioned. Yeah, C-USA isn't exactly what they joined 12 years ago but it still has regional rivals and except for Boise, who isn't exactly fielding top 15 teams anymore, the MWC is only slightly better than C-USA. This isn't like the AAC coming calling or the best of each conference forming some kind of combo. I don't get why they're interested.
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