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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
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I am speaking about the resources to be an FBS school. The MWC might consider them. But importantly they have the ability to make it to a P5 conference, the Pac-12 if they get to FBS, as a result of being a UC. They will skip over all CSU schools, and other pretenders out there.

But I'm looking more than 5 years down the road for UC Davis. A path may well open in the next decade. And I think even the MWC would consider them if an opening came up (say Colorado State is roped in by the rump of the Big 12 after OU and Texas leave). Once up in FBS it's more a matter of when than if a P12 invite will come.
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
(05-14-2017 11:58 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Sactowndog,

I am speaking about the resources to be an FBS school. The MWC might consider them. But importantly they have the ability to make it to a P5 conference, the Pac-12 if they get to FBS, as a result of being a UC. They will skip over all CSU schools, and other pretenders out there.

But I'm looking more than 5 years down the road for UC Davis. A path may well open in the next decade. And I think even the MWC would consider them if an opening came up (say Colorado State is roped in by the rump of the Big 12 after OU and Texas leave). Once up in FBS it's more a matter of when than if a P12 invite will come.

UC Davis has been fundraising for a 30 k stadium, but even that is not anywhere near ready for shovels. Anything bigger is much further out. When they went to DI, have to believe there was a plan to get higher in the DI levels, and that included building an FCS stadium that could be enlarged.
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(05-14-2017 05:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I never realized to what degree the Cal St schools were forced to operate as commuter schools. So the state legislature won't let them have the dorms and infrastructures to provide traditional, on-campus experiences to California residents who either can't get into a UC or for personal reasons, like proximity to home would rather attend a Cal St.

In Ohio, Ohio State serves as our flagship and land grant. Miami has plenty of academic prestige and public ivy status but all of our other public schools with the exception of maybe Wright St are very much residential. There are a few smaller ones like Shawnee St who are primarily commuter based but they are NAIA and not NCAA D1.

You would think a state as large as California would have more public residential universities especially when unlike back east there isn't the vast number of private options we have in the Midwest and East Coast.

Many are commuter schools but certainly not all. They have dorms and not every kid is forced to commute but many do to save costs.
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
(05-14-2017 11:58 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Sactowndog,

I am speaking about the resources to be an FBS school. The MWC might consider them. But importantly they have the ability to make it to a P5 conference, the Pac-12 if they get to FBS, as a result of being a UC. They will skip over all CSU schools, and other pretenders out there.

But I'm looking more than 5 years down the road for UC Davis. A path may well open in the next decade. And I think even the MWC would consider them if an opening came up (say Colorado State is roped in by the rump of the Big 12 after OU and Texas leave). Once up in FBS it's more a matter of when than if a P12 invite will come.

And your quotes are exactly why the MWC will never consider them. Do you think the Fresno's, SDSU's, SJSU's, Reno's and Boise's want to enable a school that will "skip over the CSU's and all the other pretenders out there"? With the demolition of the WAC no other stepping stone conference exists. The only hope Davis has would be if the Big-12 took Fresno, SDSU and Boise. Maybe then Davis would have shot. Until then, those programs will step on Davis's throats just like the UC's step on the throat of the Cal States. Such is life in CA Higher Ed... Everybody hates everybody else.
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
(05-15-2017 12:55 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 11:58 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Sactowndog,

I am speaking about the resources to be an FBS school. The MWC might consider them. But importantly they have the ability to make it to a P5 conference, the Pac-12 if they get to FBS, as a result of being a UC. They will skip over all CSU schools, and other pretenders out there.

But I'm looking more than 5 years down the road for UC Davis. A path may well open in the next decade. And I think even the MWC would consider them if an opening came up (say Colorado State is roped in by the rump of the Big 12 after OU and Texas leave). Once up in FBS it's more a matter of when than if a P12 invite will come.

And your quotes are exactly why the MWC will never consider them. Do you think the Fresno's, SDSU's, SJSU's, Reno's and Boise's want to enable a school that will "skip over the CSU's and all the other pretenders out there"? With the demolition of the WAC no other stepping stone conference exists. The only hope Davis has would be if the Big-12 took Fresno, SDSU and Boise. Maybe then Davis would have shot. Until then, those programs will step on Davis's throats just like the UC's step on the throat of the Cal States. Such is life in CA Higher Ed... Everybody hates everybody else.


You did not read what I have said. While the Fresno, Boise and others were still in the WAC? The WAC tried so hard to get Sacramento State, Cal.-Davis and Cal. Poly to join. Fresno State, Boise State and San Diego State may not mind, but if any of those three were to join the MWC? One of those three would have gotten an invite over San Jose State.
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RE: Why doesn't Sacramento St enjoy FBS level support?
Sactowndog,

You are delusional in thinking the Big 12 will take those California schools. Actually the California schools would welcome UC Davis as a replacement for Colorado State going to the rump of the Big 12. Hawaii would also support them, and likely Nevada and New Mexico as flagships. Not sure about the rest of the league.

UC Davis however is not well led at the moment, lacking vision, not working on moving up. They could really use a guy like Bob Kustra.
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(05-15-2017 01:34 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Sactowndog,

You are delusional in thinking the Big 12 will take those California schools. Actually the California schools would welcome UC Davis as a replacement for Colorado State going to the rump of the Big 12. Hawaii would also support them, and likely Nevada and New Mexico as flagships. Not sure about the rest of the league.

UC Davis however is not well led at the moment, lacking vision, not working on moving up. They could really use a guy like Bob Kustra.

I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying it's the only way Davis has a chance in hell. You have lived in Ohio far too long if you think Boise, Reno, Fresno and SDSU would welcome Davis. I don't think you get the animosity towards Davis who has never done a single joint Doctoral degree with Fresno. They compete head to head in Ag programs instead of cooperating.

I can tell you went to SJSU because you know nothing of the Valley and who recruits Sac. Boise, Reno and Fresno all recruit Sac hard. They aren't creating a new competitor. Davis has no route out of the Big West and they know it.
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I have lived in California for 38 years now. I am one of the large number of Great Lakes white folks in Silicon Valley. At this point I have to confess I am more a Bear than Buckeye.

I can tell you all the CSUs would vote in favor. While Fresno fans might be against, the administration thinks much more along the same lines as San Jose and San Diego. UC schools recruit different players than a Cal State, due to their admission policies, they are not really much competition - the UCSD problem of getting past the BW UC ADs is not an obstacle here. They are an easy travel partner for SJSU and raise the stature academically of the MWC. The academic boost will definitely encourage the four flagships to also vote for them.

I agree, Boise State, which is not from any part of California that I am aware of, may well have a different opinion. But then again the competition for that replacement spot of losing Colorado State is most likely Rice, another academic jewel. Boise would not be thrilled from a competition stand point with them either. (That is another school with a potential Pac-12 path).

Again we are talking close to a decade out, and under new management for UC Davis. Management that is very likely not going to materialize in time to take advantage of the opportunity. So this is probably something which would never get put to the test. Personally I'd love to have a UC in the MWC, as that would heat up the California rivalries.
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(05-15-2017 10:52 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I have lived in California for 38 years now. I am one of the large number of Great Lakes white folks in Silicon Valley. At this point I have to confess I am more a Bear than Buckeye.

I can tell you all the CSUs would vote in favor. While Fresno fans might be against, the administration thinks much more along the same lines as San Jose and San Diego. UC schools recruit different players than a Cal State, due to their admission policies, they are not really much competition - the UCSD problem of getting past the BW UC ADs is not an obstacle here. They are an easy travel partner for SJSU and raise the stature academically of the MWC. The academic boost will definitely encourage the four flagships to also vote for them.

I agree, Boise State, which is not from any part of California that I am aware of, may well have a different opinion. But then again the competition for that replacement spot of losing Colorado State is most likely Rice, another academic jewel. Boise would not be thrilled from a competition stand point with them either. (That is another school with a potential Pac-12 path).

Again we are talking close to a decade out, and under new management for UC Davis. Management that is very likely not going to materialize in time to take advantage of the opportunity. So this is probably something which would never get put to the test. Personally I'd love to have a UC in the MWC, as that would heat up the California rivalries.

I think your nuts and if you went to the MWC board, I doubt you would find a single fan that agrees with you. The MWC might invite Rice and would certainly invite any number of Texas CUSA schools before inviting Davis. The fact your a Silicon Valley Cal fan just speaks to how little you know the Valley. My guess is the most you know about the valley is the traffic on 80 driving to Reno.

But since your a Cal fan I will make you a sig bet. We will create a poll on the MWC board about losing CSU and with whom do we replace them with: Choices will be
Rice
UTEP
UTSA
Texas State
Montana
Sacramento State
North Texas
UC Davis.

If UC Davis is in the top 4 you win. If not I win and your sig will read:
Cal: 5th best in everything in California.

Deal?
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(05-15-2017 10:52 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I have lived in California for 38 years now. I am one of the large number of Great Lakes white folks in Silicon Valley. At this point I have to confess I am more a Bear than Buckeye.

I can tell you all the CSUs would vote in favor. While Fresno fans might be against, the administration thinks much more along the same lines as San Jose and San Diego. UC schools recruit different players than a Cal State, due to their admission policies, they are not really much competition - the UCSD problem of getting past the BW UC ADs is not an obstacle here. They are an easy travel partner for SJSU and raise the stature academically of the MWC. The academic boost will definitely encourage the four flagships to also vote for them.

I agree, Boise State, which is not from any part of California that I am aware of, may well have a different opinion. But then again the competition for that replacement spot of losing Colorado State is most likely Rice, another academic jewel. Boise would not be thrilled from a competition stand point with them either. (That is another school with a potential Pac-12 path).

Again we are talking close to a decade out, and under new management for UC Davis. Management that is very likely not going to materialize in time to take advantage of the opportunity. So this is probably something which would never get put to the test. Personally I'd love to have a UC in the MWC, as that would heat up the California rivalries.

One other thing my kids both competed D1 and the thought the FBS UC's recruit superior students is BS. They both recruit anyone that can qualify and help their team. I saw some kids dumber than a bag of rocks get recruited to those schools.
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