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(05-15-2017 01:28 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Is 18 the magic number? This entire question reveals the borderline autism people in this forum suffer, needing to force symmetry into asymmetric order. There is nothing new in this obsession, and it is ancient applying even to the order of heaven.

In the ancient days the focus on magic numbers on irregular systems centered around the calendar. There was a concept of the perfect calendar, referred to as the perfect Mesopotamian calendar. 365 days plus the occasional leap day to keep the seasons from getting awry led to the composition of various calendars. One such divided the year into 4 sets of 3 months with 30 days in each, with a "leap" day for each solstice, 91 days in each 3 month set, every 1st month of each quarter started on the same day. The 365th was either dispensed with or was a non counting day (I think they actually had a leap week every 5 to 6 years to keep the week and month starting on the same day).

I mention this because such a "perfect" calendar, as must be held in the heavens, makes an appearance in the book of revelation, where 42 months are referred to as 1260 days; all those unseemly extra days vanishing. It of course is a Matrix like dreamscape, just as 18 team conferences with (I guess) Notre Dame being that unseemly 65th.

The real calendar was the one the Romans tinkered with, building on the existing structure and just making the damn thing work with extra days on some months, and February bring irregular. Ever practical and working with the structure as it exists. This Roman effort survives to this day, the perfect calendars all never held.

Conferences are irregular and messy in organization because they are part of the real world. Beauty is not in artificial symmetry, but in the ranging and overlapping fractal world, with patterns of unpredictable randomness. Only madmen demand perfect order. Or those of us with borderline autism.

Until somebody builds a border wall, some of us will keep finding a way to cross it.
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(05-15-2017 09:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 04:12 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 03:57 PM)ken d Wrote:  PAC

Pacific Division: Washington, Oregon, Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St, Utah

Prairie Division: Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, OK State, Kansas, Kansas St, Colorado, TCU, Iowa St

B1G

Legends: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois, Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St

Leaders: Florida St, Miami, Virginia, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Pitt, Clemson

SEC

West: Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Missouri, Vanderbilt

East: Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, West Virginia, Louisville, NC State, Virginia Tech

8 team playoff, 6 division champs plus best two non-champs at-large. 13 game regular season beginning in Week Zero.

Going back to "Legends and leaders" is even funnier than Big Easters Miami and Pitt going to the Big 10!

That's what I was going for. 04-cheers

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(05-15-2017 01:28 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Is 18 the magic number? This entire question reveals the borderline autism people in this forum suffer, needing to force symmetry into asymmetric order. There is nothing new in this obsession, and it is ancient, applying even to the order of heaven.

In the ancient days the focus on magic numbers on irregular systems centered around the calendar. There was a concept of the perfect calendar, referred to as the perfect Mesopotamian calendar. 365 days plus the occasional leap day to keep the seasons from getting awry led to the composition of various calendars. One such divided the year into 4 sets of 3 months with 30 days in each, with a "leap" day for each solstice, 91 days in each 3 month set, every 1st month of each quarter started on the same day. The 365th was either dispensed with or was a non counting day (I think they actually had a leap week every 5 to 6 years to keep the week and month starting on the same day).

I mention this because such a "perfect" calendar, as must be held in the heavens, makes an appearance in the book of revelation, where 42 months are referred to as 1260 days; all those unseemly extra days vanishing. It of course is a Matrix like dreamscape, just as 18 team conferences with (I guess) Notre Dame being that unseemly 65th.

The real calendar was the one the Romans tinkered with, building on the existing structure and just making the damn thing work with extra days on some months, and February being irregular. Ever practical and working with the structure as it exists. This Roman effort survives to this day, the perfect calendars all never held.

Conferences are irregular and messy in organization because they are part of the real world. Beauty is not in artificial symmetry, but in the ranging and overlapping fractal world, with patterns of unpredictable randomness. Only madmen demand perfect order. Or those of us with borderline autism.

I think your comparisons are strained since the former is fixed by the laws of physics while college athletics is an arbitrary system defined by rules that hve no basis in the natural world. College football is a professional sport. Any connection to amateurism has been severed a long time ago. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect round numbers for organizational purposes. To put it kindly, most of your writing was verbal masturbation to justify why the PAC12 wrinkles their noses at expanding past 12.
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You are thinking too small at 18.

Why not have one "conference",'league", or "division".

The one entity divides, schedules, and chooses champions however it chooses whichever way makes sense for each sport.
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(05-13-2017 04:51 PM)XLance Wrote:  Currrently the P5 consists of 65 teams . If 18 is the magic number where do the other 7 come from?
Since the Big 12 went through the process last year, we can assume that their findings would hold up for the rest of the new P4.
IIRC their top 4 were (in no particular order) were UConn, Houston, Cincinnati and BYU .
So which three fill out the top 72 and which conference do the little 7 go to?

Are there enough top level teams for all 4 P leagues to get to 18 (if the Big 12 goes away)?

~8 is a better number than 18.
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(05-16-2017 07:53 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(05-13-2017 04:51 PM)XLance Wrote:  Currrently the P5 consists of 65 teams . If 18 is the magic number where do the other 7 come from?
Since the Big 12 went through the process last year, we can assume that their findings would hold up for the rest of the new P4.
IIRC their top 4 were (in no particular order) were UConn, Houston, Cincinnati and BYU .
So which three fill out the top 72 and which conference do the little 7 go to?

Are there enough top level teams for all 4 P leagues to get to 18 (if the Big 12 goes away)?

~8 is a better number than 18.

I remember thinking that 9 (ACC configuration pre-2003) was the best configuration. Silly me, I was only thinking in terms of playing everyone in football and double round-robin in basketball. Then the profitability of the whole thing really rained on my parade.
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(05-16-2017 08:03 AM)megadrone Wrote:  
(05-16-2017 07:53 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(05-13-2017 04:51 PM)XLance Wrote:  Currrently the P5 consists of 65 teams . If 18 is the magic number where do the other 7 come from?
Since the Big 12 went through the process last year, we can assume that their findings would hold up for the rest of the new P4.
IIRC their top 4 were (in no particular order) were UConn, Houston, Cincinnati and BYU .
So which three fill out the top 72 and which conference do the little 7 go to?

Are there enough top level teams for all 4 P leagues to get to 18 (if the Big 12 goes away)?

~8 is a better number than 18.

I remember thinking that 9 (ACC configuration pre-2003) was the best configuration. Silly me, I was only thinking in terms of playing everyone in football and double round-robin in basketball. Then the profitability of the whole thing really rained on my parade.

I still think it is. To me, 18 is just two 9-team conferences that share a media partner.
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Is 22 better than 18 ?,
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(05-14-2017 02:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big 10's Delany was thinking of going to 22 teams.

Florida State
Clemson
North Carolina
Virginia
Kansas
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Texas

That would give them up to 22 teams.

Delany wanted 24, you left out Georgia Tech and Duke. Ga Tech was one of his top targets due to being located in Atlanta, which is one of the top hubs for Big Ten alumni.
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(05-16-2017 09:52 AM)AntiG Wrote:  
(05-14-2017 02:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big 10's Delany was thinking of going to 22 teams.

Florida State
Clemson
North Carolina
Virginia
Kansas
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Texas

That would give them up to 22 teams.

Delany wanted 24, you left out Georgia Tech and Duke. Ga Tech was one of his top targets due to being located in Atlanta, which is one of the top hubs for Big Ten alumni.

The SEC would have had something to say about it, though. Perhaps grabbing FSU and Clemson or Texas and Oklahoma and Virginia Tech and NC State. Louisville, WVU, Pitt, BC, Syracuse, and Miami might have been in the mix as well.

That would put the SEC at 20-24 teams and the B1G at 20-24 teams. Then, divide up the PAC and you have your AFC and NFC-like alignment, each with a couple of marquee bowl games that spill into the SEC-B1G national championship.
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