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RE: ND joining the ACC for football not so far fetched....
(05-17-2017 04:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
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(05-15-2017 03:56 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 03:45 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It would be for football, Terry. I know Notre Dame does not want to be in a conference, and am firmly in the camp that ND will not be in a conference for the foreseeable future. My only hypothetical was that - if Notre Dame had the power to create a new football conference - who would they want to bring along to join them. They would clearly want a national conference (not based in any region), with other power members and locations their alumni can travel nationally for.

Part of the desire, on ND's part, for independence is freedom in scheduling. What if they controlled that aspect by being in control who was in the conference? I was just curious who they would be interested in by aligning with them, that's all.



Understood. I'll play nice. Here is mine.

Ten schools, including ND. Seven conference games, five OOC games:


Southern Cal (California)
Stanford

Navy (traditional, owe them)

Michigan State (for ignoring Michigan's boycott)

Texas (Texas, duh)

Florida State (Florida)
Miami

Pitt
BC (East Coast/traditional)


OOC rotation:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Arizona State

Oklahoma

North Carolina
Clemson

Temple
Syracuse

Army

Hawaii

Random



I would have thought you'd prefer Georgia Tech over Georgia?

Either/or

And with Notre Dame's emphasis on playing in Catholic regions, I'd occasionally add UTEP, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Fresno.

I already listed Syracuse.

As for the others, I don't think so. I like UTEP because I went to the 2010 Sun Bowl and had a great time, but I don't think ND will play them.

I don't see the value in playing Fresno and Rutgers is in the Big Ten, so they are out. :)

I only make an exception for Michigan State because they defied Michigan's blackball edict and scheduled ND.

As for Catholic areas, ND has a strong relationship with San Antonio.

It has played two "Shamrock Series" football games there (2009 and 2016) and hosts a week long "Irish Classic" baseball tournament every year in Double AA Nelson Wolff Stadium.

So...instead of UTEP, lets make it UTSA. Nah, that will not happen, either.

We actually haven't played you guys that much.


No, but Cuse is a private school in Upstate New York, two good reasons for ND to play the Orange.
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RE: ND joining the ACC for football not so far fetched....
(05-17-2017 05:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-17-2017 04:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 05:29 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 05:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 03:56 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Understood. I'll play nice. Here is mine.

Ten schools, including ND. Seven conference games, five OOC games:


Southern Cal (California)
Stanford

Navy (traditional, owe them)

Michigan State (for ignoring Michigan's boycott)

Texas (Texas, duh)

Florida State (Florida)
Miami

Pitt
BC (East Coast/traditional)


OOC rotation:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Arizona State

Oklahoma

North Carolina
Clemson

Temple
Syracuse

Army

Hawaii

Random



I would have thought you'd prefer Georgia Tech over Georgia?

Either/or

And with Notre Dame's emphasis on playing in Catholic regions, I'd occasionally add UTEP, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Fresno.

I already listed Syracuse.

As for the others, I don't think so. I like UTEP because I went to the 2010 Sun Bowl and had a great time, but I don't think ND will play them.

I don't see the value in playing Fresno and Rutgers is in the Big Ten, so they are out. :)

I only make an exception for Michigan State because they defied Michigan's blackball edict and scheduled ND.

As for Catholic areas, ND has a strong relationship with San Antonio.

It has played two "Shamrock Series" football games there (2009 and 2016) and hosts a week long "Irish Classic" baseball tournament every year in Double AA Nelson Wolff Stadium.

So...instead of UTEP, lets make it UTSA. Nah, that will not happen, either.

We actually haven't played you guys that much.


No, but Cuse is a private school in Upstate New York, two good reasons for ND to play the Orange.

I don't disagree. It actually always struck me as odd that we don't play very often.
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RE: ND joining the ACC for football not so far fetched....
Ok, I finally get it now. If ESPN crunches the numbers and finds that ND to the ACC would make them a lot of $$$'s, ESPN will break the bank to get ND 100 % in the ACC, including football, hockey, and whatever other sports ND may offer. If ESPN is happy with what they currently get from ND, they will do nothing. I believe FOX has given up on ND altogether, which is what ND & NBC both like, but if ND ever shut ESPN completely out of televising any of its games, ESPN would act, IMO.
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RE: ND joining the ACC for football not so far fetched....
(05-15-2017 03:36 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
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(05-15-2017 09:25 AM)mj4life Wrote:  The only scenario I see which forces ND to join is the lack of access to the playoff. If being a conference champion is the only way to access the playoff then it becomes more likely but I doubt the SEC or B1G would support the champions only model. ND in theory could assign it's tv rights to the ACC/ESPN package. Sure they would lose the exclusive nature of their NBC deal but that could be in exchange for a digital ND channel which is possible with the ACCN digital platform

Well for a timeline if the Big 12 goes away in about 5-7 years you might wind up with a champs only de facto. I wouldn't be surprised if the dissolution of the Big 12 was the catalyst for N.D. going all in. The champs only model is natural and almost irrepressible at that point. And, perhaps more importantly, N.D. would have no more cards to play with regards to vulnerable conferences in need of a prop. The PAC, SEC and Big 10 would be a no to special perks, and the ACC would no longer have a reason to extend them. So while I don't find it that impractical to think they might throw in at the time of the ACCN's debut, they certainly will soberly be facing that situation by 2025.

As to Cincinnati, it is the home of N.D.'s recruiting base in Ohio (Moeller High School) and should ESPN retreat further from the overpriced Big 10 package having a backdoor into Ohio advertising might be something they would like.

With Missouri, possibly Kansas at that time, and having schools in Indiana and Pennsylvania and Ohio ESPN will have access to the larger underbelly of the Big 10's markets without having to pay both the Big 10 and ACC for them. It's the kind of market triage that makes sense. So what if you can't reach Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Nebraska. You'll still get part Michigan with N.D. and you get into Chicago with them and New York.

IMO the Big 10 really wanted N.D. for two reasons. 1. They are a huge brand with a big draw within their footprint. 2. N.D. would keep their big draw within the Big 10 footprint even if they were to join another conference. N.D. was both an offensive prize for the Big 10 and a defensive play to hold a clamp on access to their markets.

After the committee's stinko decision to take Ohio State over Penn St last year, I could see the conference champion thing being re-emphasized in future years. Penn St may not have done any better than OSU in the playoffs, but you could argue PSU deserved it more than OSU because PSU was the conference champ and PSU beat OSU. PSU deserved the chance to lose to Clemson or Bama i the playoffs, not OSU.

But...in real life...not on message boards...just last year...it was not "conference champs only" and may never be so.

The Big Ten and SEC may want two teams in the playoffs in the future, not just one.

I have never believed in the 4x16, conference champs only outcome.

It sounds nice and neat, but real life in general (and college football in particular) is much more messy, parochial and chaotic than the CR message board fantasy of 4x16.

Agreed. Plus, the TV people *want* wild cards (non-champs of divisions/leagues/etc.) in playoffs in every sport at every level. I could see an 8-team playoff with auto-bids for the P5 champs, but the concept of wild cards/at-larges would definitely still be incorporated.

Separately, remember when the Big Ten actually insisted upon the requirement to have divisions when a league has 12 or more schools in order to hold a conference championship game (whereas the ACC wanted the flexibility to get rid of divisions and just have the top 2 teams in the league play each other)? Some people were surprised by the Big Ten blocking this proposal (as many thought that it would actually be a good move for the B1G). That wasn't some type of random objection from Jim Delany. It was to essentially preemptively shut down any incentive for Notre Dame to join the ACC as a football member. Under a non-division model, the ACC could pitch to ND that the Irish could rotate among a broad-based set of opponents that isn't much different than what they have now and it's much easier for a league to stay at an 8-game conference schedule without divisions (as that would allow all of the league's teams to continue to play each other regularly even in a 16-team conference), which would allow ND to have the flexibility to continue playing USC and Navy at a minimum in the non-conference slate.

Notre Dame having to play in a strict division in a 16-team conference, though, would be unpalatable to a school that goes out of its way to emphasize a national schedule with a large variety of opponents. ND having to lock in the same 7 divisional opponents every year that they may or may not care about is bad enough. Furthermore, realistically, a 16-team league with divisions also needs a 9-game or even 10-game conference schedule or else you're effectively dealing with 2 entirely separate conferences that don't actually play each other. That would remove the flexibility for ND to play its most important non-conference games. Simply put, a 16-team conference with divisions is essentially the worst possible league setup for ND (as a school that prizes a national schedule with flexibility), whereas a 16-team conference without divisions would have been at least a consideration for ND. That's why the Big Ten killed the ACC's proposal - they knew that ND was the critical long-game piece here.
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(05-18-2017 10:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Agreed. Plus, the TV people *want* wild cards (non-champs of divisions/leagues/etc.) in playoffs in every sport at every level. I could see an 8-team playoff with auto-bids for the P5 champs, but the concept of wild cards/at-larges would definitely still be incorporated.

The 4x16 fantasy somehow placates some of our message board OCD, but I absolutely agree that uneven conference numbers, wild cards, and the polling, ranking, and selection committee beauty contests and asymmetry provide substantial value to college football.

(05-18-2017 10:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Separately, remember when the Big Ten actually insisted upon the requirement to have divisions when a league has 12 or more schools in order to hold a conference championship game (whereas the ACC wanted the flexibility to get rid of divisions and just have the top 2 teams in the league play each other)? Some people were surprised by the Big Ten blocking this proposal (as many thought that it would actually be a good move for the B1G). That wasn't some type of random objection from Jim Delany. It was to essentially preemptively shut down any incentive for Notre Dame to join the ACC as a football member. Under a non-division model, the ACC could pitch to ND that the Irish could rotate among a broad-based set of opponents that isn't much different than what they have now and it's much easier for a league to stay at an 8-game conference schedule without divisions (as that would allow all of the league's teams to continue to play each other regularly even in a 16-team conference), which would allow ND to have the flexibility to continue playing USC and Navy at a minimum in the non-conference slate.

Notre Dame having to play in a strict division in a 16-team conference, though, would be unpalatable to a school that goes out of its way to emphasize a national schedule with a large variety of opponents. ND having to lock in the same 7 divisional opponents every year that they may or may not care about is bad enough. Furthermore, realistically, a 16-team league with divisions also needs a 9-game or even 10-game conference schedule or else you're effectively dealing with 2 entirely separate conferences that don't actually play each other. That would remove the flexibility for ND to play its most important non-conference games. Simply put, a 16-team conference with divisions is essentially the worst possible league setup for ND (as a school that prizes a national schedule with flexibility), whereas a 16-team conference without divisions would have been at least a consideration for ND. That's why the Big Ten killed the ACC's proposal - they knew that ND was the critical long-game piece here.

So, how many votes are needed to beat Delany (and presumably the PAC)? It seems like CCG deregulation and freedom of scheduling would tremendously help the ACC (even w/out ND), SEC, and B12 (if expansion) - and perhaps even some of the other conferences. Did the B12 go along with Delany to ensure the CCG with only 10 teams? At some point, you would think full deregulation will triumph.

Also, I remember there was some talk at SEC media days a couple years ago about counting only divisional games to determine the conference championship participants. Some felt it unfair that they could beat their division mates, but still lose the division because of more difficult cross-division games (ie, Florida-LSU, Auburn-Georgia, Tennessee-Alabama....).

Even under the current CCG rules, the ACC could use the SEC idea but get creative and have flexible divisions from year-to-year and only require ND to play *divisional* games. You could even do that model with 15 teams and uneven divisions. ND only plays 6 ACC division games each year - to satisfy the current rules - but other ACC schools play 2 or 3 cross-division games...that don't count toward their divisional records - which determines the CCG participants.

Notre Dame, even as a full ACC member, still gets to 6 flexible games to play Navy, USC, Stanford, MSU/Purdue/Michigan, and Texas/Georgia/Ohio St., etc.

Using ND's current ACC schedule as a guide:

2019 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, Louisville, UVA, VA Tech, Duke, BC, and Syracuse (not scheduled)
COASTAL: FSU, Clemson, Miami, GA Tech, UNC, NC State, Wake, Pitt
*ND plays 6 ACC games. COASTAL plays 7 divisional games. Schedule key cross-over games/rivalries, but don't count them toward the conference record.

2020 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, Louisville, Duke, Clemson, Pitt, Wake, Georgia Tech
COASTAL: FSU, Miami, UNC, NC State, VA Tech, UVA, BC, Syracuse
* Again, ensure key cross-over games and rivalries.

2021 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, FSU, VA Tech, GA Tech, UNC, UVA, Miami(not scheduled)
COASTAL: Clemson, NC State, Duke, Wake, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville
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Or, add Navy as football only member, and always have ND and Navy in the same division and require 7 ACC games by ND, but otherwise follow the same idea.

2019 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, Navy, Louisville, UVA, VA Tech, Duke, BC, and Syracuse (not scheduled)
COASTAL: FSU, Clemson, Miami, GA Tech, UNC, NC State, Wake, Pitt
*ND plays 6 ACC games. COASTAL plays 7 divisional games. Schedule key cross-over games/rivalries, but don't count them toward the conference record.

2020 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, Navy, Louisville, Duke, Clemson, Pitt, Wake, Georgia Tech
COASTAL: FSU, Miami, UNC, NC State, VA Tech, UVA, BC, Syracuse
* Again, ensure key cross-over games and rivalries.

2021 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, Navy, FSU, VA Tech, GA Tech, UNC, UVA, Miami(not scheduled)
COASTAL: Clemson, NC State, Duke, Wake, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville
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(05-18-2017 01:46 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-18-2017 10:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Agreed. Plus, the TV people *want* wild cards (non-champs of divisions/leagues/etc.) in playoffs in every sport at every level. I could see an 8-team playoff with auto-bids for the P5 champs, but the concept of wild cards/at-larges would definitely still be incorporated.

The 4x16 fantasy somehow placates some of our message board OCD, but I absolutely agree that uneven conference numbers, wild cards, and the polling, ranking, and selection committee beauty contests and asymmetry provide substantial value to college football.

(05-18-2017 10:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Separately, remember when the Big Ten actually insisted upon the requirement to have divisions when a league has 12 or more schools in order to hold a conference championship game (whereas the ACC wanted the flexibility to get rid of divisions and just have the top 2 teams in the league play each other)? Some people were surprised by the Big Ten blocking this proposal (as many thought that it would actually be a good move for the B1G). That wasn't some type of random objection from Jim Delany. It was to essentially preemptively shut down any incentive for Notre Dame to join the ACC as a football member. Under a non-division model, the ACC could pitch to ND that the Irish could rotate among a broad-based set of opponents that isn't much different than what they have now and it's much easier for a league to stay at an 8-game conference schedule without divisions (as that would allow all of the league's teams to continue to play each other regularly even in a 16-team conference), which would allow ND to have the flexibility to continue playing USC and Navy at a minimum in the non-conference slate.

Notre Dame having to play in a strict division in a 16-team conference, though, would be unpalatable to a school that goes out of its way to emphasize a national schedule with a large variety of opponents. ND having to lock in the same 7 divisional opponents every year that they may or may not care about is bad enough. Furthermore, realistically, a 16-team league with divisions also needs a 9-game or even 10-game conference schedule or else you're effectively dealing with 2 entirely separate conferences that don't actually play each other. That would remove the flexibility for ND to play its most important non-conference games. Simply put, a 16-team conference with divisions is essentially the worst possible league setup for ND (as a school that prizes a national schedule with flexibility), whereas a 16-team conference without divisions would have been at least a consideration for ND. That's why the Big Ten killed the ACC's proposal - they knew that ND was the critical long-game piece here.

So, how many votes are needed to beat Delany (and presumably the PAC)? It seems like CCG deregulation and freedom of scheduling would tremendously help the ACC (even w/out ND), SEC, and B12 (if expansion) - and perhaps even some of the other conferences. Did the B12 go along with Delany to ensure the CCG with only 10 teams? At some point, you would think full deregulation will triumph.

Also, I remember there was some talk at SEC media days a couple years ago about counting only divisional games to determine the conference championship participants. Some felt it unfair that they could beat their division mates, but still lose the division because of more difficult cross-division games (ie, Florida-LSU, Auburn-Georgia, Tennessee-Alabama....).

Even under the current CCG rules, the ACC could use the SEC idea but get creative and have flexible divisions from year-to-year and only require ND to play *divisional* games. You could even do that model with 15 teams and uneven divisions. ND only plays 6 ACC division games each year - to satisfy the current rules - but other ACC schools play 2 or 3 cross-division games...that don't count toward their divisional records - which determines the CCG participants.

Notre Dame, even as a full ACC member, still gets to 6 flexible games to play Navy, USC, Stanford, MSU/Purdue/Michigan, and Texas/Georgia/Ohio St., etc.

Using ND's current ACC schedule as a guide:

2019 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, Louisville, UVA, VA Tech, Duke, BC, and Syracuse (not scheduled)
COASTAL: FSU, Clemson, Miami, GA Tech, UNC, NC State, Wake, Pitt
*ND plays 6 ACC games. COASTAL plays 7 divisional games. Schedule key cross-over games/rivalries, but don't count them toward the conference record.

2020 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, Louisville, Duke, Clemson, Pitt, Wake, Georgia Tech
COASTAL: FSU, Miami, UNC, NC State, VA Tech, UVA, BC, Syracuse
* Again, ensure key cross-over games and rivalries.

2021 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, FSU, VA Tech, GA Tech, UNC, UVA, Miami(not scheduled)
COASTAL: Clemson, NC State, Duke, Wake, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville

I'm not a big believer in symmetry in conference numbers. But the ambiguity and beauty pageants, and wild cards, don't boost college football. They boost the talking points and late season interest that makes the networks more money.
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(05-18-2017 01:46 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-18-2017 10:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Agreed. Plus, the TV people *want* wild cards (non-champs of divisions/leagues/etc.) in playoffs in every sport at every level. I could see an 8-team playoff with auto-bids for the P5 champs, but the concept of wild cards/at-larges would definitely still be incorporated.

The 4x16 fantasy somehow placates some of our message board OCD, but I absolutely agree that uneven conference numbers, wild cards, and the polling, ranking, and selection committee beauty contests and asymmetry provide substantial value to college football.

(05-18-2017 10:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Separately, remember when the Big Ten actually insisted upon the requirement to have divisions when a league has 12 or more schools in order to hold a conference championship game (whereas the ACC wanted the flexibility to get rid of divisions and just have the top 2 teams in the league play each other)? Some people were surprised by the Big Ten blocking this proposal (as many thought that it would actually be a good move for the B1G). That wasn't some type of random objection from Jim Delany. It was to essentially preemptively shut down any incentive for Notre Dame to join the ACC as a football member. Under a non-division model, the ACC could pitch to ND that the Irish could rotate among a broad-based set of opponents that isn't much different than what they have now and it's much easier for a league to stay at an 8-game conference schedule without divisions (as that would allow all of the league's teams to continue to play each other regularly even in a 16-team conference), which would allow ND to have the flexibility to continue playing USC and Navy at a minimum in the non-conference slate.

Notre Dame having to play in a strict division in a 16-team conference, though, would be unpalatable to a school that goes out of its way to emphasize a national schedule with a large variety of opponents. ND having to lock in the same 7 divisional opponents every year that they may or may not care about is bad enough. Furthermore, realistically, a 16-team league with divisions also needs a 9-game or even 10-game conference schedule or else you're effectively dealing with 2 entirely separate conferences that don't actually play each other. That would remove the flexibility for ND to play its most important non-conference games. Simply put, a 16-team conference with divisions is essentially the worst possible league setup for ND (as a school that prizes a national schedule with flexibility), whereas a 16-team conference without divisions would have been at least a consideration for ND. That's why the Big Ten killed the ACC's proposal - they knew that ND was the critical long-game piece here.

So, how many votes are needed to beat Delany (and presumably the PAC)? It seems like CCG deregulation and freedom of scheduling would tremendously help the ACC (even w/out ND), SEC, and B12 (if expansion) - and perhaps even some of the other conferences. Did the B12 go along with Delany to ensure the CCG with only 10 teams? At some point, you would think full deregulation will triumph.

Also, I remember there was some talk at SEC media days a couple years ago about counting only divisional games to determine the conference championship participants. Some felt it unfair that they could beat their division mates, but still lose the division because of more difficult cross-division games (ie, Florida-LSU, Auburn-Georgia, Tennessee-Alabama....).

Even under the current CCG rules, the ACC could use the SEC idea but get creative and have flexible divisions from year-to-year and only require ND to play *divisional* games. You could even do that model with 15 teams and uneven divisions. ND only plays 6 ACC division games each year - to satisfy the current rules - but other ACC schools play 2 or 3 cross-division games...that don't count toward their divisional records - which determines the CCG participants.

Notre Dame, even as a full ACC member, still gets to 6 flexible games to play Navy, USC, Stanford, MSU/Purdue/Michigan, and Texas/Georgia/Ohio St., etc.

Using ND's current ACC schedule as a guide:

2019 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, Louisville, UVA, VA Tech, Duke, BC, and Syracuse (not scheduled)
COASTAL: FSU, Clemson, Miami, GA Tech, UNC, NC State, Wake, Pitt
*ND plays 6 ACC games. COASTAL plays 7 divisional games. Schedule key cross-over games/rivalries, but don't count them toward the conference record.

2020 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, Louisville, Duke, Clemson, Pitt, Wake, Georgia Tech
COASTAL: FSU, Miami, UNC, NC State, VA Tech, UVA, BC, Syracuse
* Again, ensure key cross-over games and rivalries.

2021 ACC-
ATLANTIC: ND, FSU, VA Tech, GA Tech, UNC, UVA, Miami(not scheduled)
COASTAL: Clemson, NC State, Duke, Wake, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville

It's a somewhat unique concept similar to the NFL scheduling (based upon your rank the season prior). I think this kind of idea would work better with a smaller conference like the XII where you already play everyone. With such a large conference, they run the risk of "regular" ACC members potentially not playing another for a loooong time.

For the XII, you could do two five-school divisions based off the previous season:

Leaders (1, 4, 5, 8, 9): Oklahoma, Kansas St, TCU, Texas Tech, Iowa St
Legends (2, 3, 6, 7, 10): Oklahoma St, West Virginia, Baylor, Texas, Kansas

You already play everyone, so this could be a way to determine who goes to the CCG.
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Or, add Navy and re-organize into 4 pods and re-align the divisions very 2 years - and still only require ND to play the divisional schedule and only count divisional games toward the conference record that determines CCG participants:

Pod A: ND, Navy, BC, Syracuse
Pod B: NC State, Wake, Pitt, VA Tech
Pod C: UNC, Duke, UVA, Georgia Tech
Pod D: FSU, Clemson, Louisville, Miami

I'm sure someone can do better with the pods, but you get the idea.
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(05-18-2017 01:54 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It's a somewhat unique concept similar to the NFL scheduling (based upon your rank the season prior). I think this kind of idea would work better with a smaller conference like the XII where you already play everyone. With such a large conference, they run the risk of "regular" ACC members potentially not playing another for a loooong time.

Don't some ACC member currently go like 5-6 years without playing one another? UNC and Wake have already scheduled an OCC game for crying out loud.

Regardless, you solve that with the cross-division games and the fact that the ND schedules are designed such that everyone plays ND once in about 3 years.

For instance, in the 3 years listed above UNC and FSU play everyone in division play at least once, except for Duke and Louisville. So, Duke and Louisville are cross-division opponents at least once. Although UNC-Duke is likely an annual game. Also, if the ACC or UNC or FSU are concerned that UNC or FSU only play Wake or Clemson only once in the 3 year division lineup, those are also priorities in cross-division scheduling.

With ND in the conference, the currently-announced lineups could be tweaked to make it so that current ACC members actually play many other ACC members much more often than under the status quo.

And Notre Dame is perceived as a full-member of the ACC and eligible for the ACC championship. That is certain to help the ACC. To make the money work, Notre Dame brings its football completely within the ACC-ESPN contract. So, the ACC benefits from the ND-USC and ND-Texas type games each year. In fact, Notre Dame currently makes $15M per year from NBC. Notre Dame likely gets a raise by rolling in their inventory with the rest of the ACC.
(This post was last modified: 05-18-2017 02:11 PM by YNot.)
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