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(02-02-2018 06:54 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  Samantha Huge keeps making great hires

Okay, just to tone it down a little (and I am addressing this to many posters, not just BigTribe3) ....we do not know if the new women's soccer coach and the new volleyball coach are great hires -- yet. Neither coach has won even so much as one game yet. We can look at the resumes and assume that they are great hires and we can all hope and root that they turn out to be great hires --- but, remember, every new coach we have ever hired was highly thought of at the time of the hire (even Chuck Swenson and Rick Boyages). As of right now, the jury is still out on the hires and, in my opinion, the jury is still out on Huge. It seems she has started out well and apparently has pleased a lot of alumni -- but let's see what actually happens and whether she has the stamina for the long haul (and let's see how long she even stays at W&M).

Not a downer ...but don't go crazy with praise, either. Lastly, remember it is easy for anybody to look good when compared to Terry Driscoll.
02-02-2018 09:41 AM
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RE: New AD's Huge Decisions
bringing this over from the Elon game board, since its more relevant to the AD

(02-02-2018 01:17 PM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 12:05 PM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  Also WM is now a much more rigorously challenging school academically. More demands on students' time.

LOL...

Its impossible to compare the differences in rigor over the decades. There is a perceived increase in difficulty and improved national standing of the college by younger alums and current students, however there is no data to back this assumption. This is likely fueled by the explosion in college ranking systems over the last few decades and misinformation from uninitiated parents to their children.

Most likely, it was hard then and remains challenging.



But lets get back to the point, student/fan experience:

In the early 2000s, student attendance was pretty bad for most basketball games. Crowds in general seemed paltry whenever I went to an event (except for soccer and homecoming football). Atmosphere was lacking without enough electricity to help initiate the fence-sitters in the audience. I knew less than a handful of students who seemed excited to go.

There is absolutely much more to distract students today. The social media time-vortex barely existed. TV was limited compared to what I imagine is nearly universal dormroom netflix bingeing.

The drinking age change likely contributed to a significant drop in student interest, without real on-campus tailgating. This change occurred at a time of diminished success on the court. Kappa Sig may have been a strong force on building student support at games, but their charter was revoked in the late 90s.

Posters frequently state that the product on the court/field is enough to bring people in, but I disagree entirely unless we are getting into the tourney often. Everyone likes a winner, yes, but the significance of a win against Elon is lost on the average person. Everyone understands big games against big-names or NCAA tourney play. For the rest of the season, you need to package this into a modern professional event. In the age of HD televised everything, its not just seeing the game live. You have to help build the suspense with lighting, music, announcers who werent trained in calling Wimbledon.

Without a TRUE winning tradition, the AD needs to work hard to build the atmosphere and incentive to make these must-see events for everyone.
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Shackford is a great hire. Go look at her resume and tell me otherwise. She's a former player, started a program at one school and was national coach of the year at another.

Give me a break.

(02-02-2018 09:41 AM)Zorch Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 06:54 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  Samantha Huge keeps making great hires

Okay, just to tone it down a little (and I am addressing this to many posters, not just BigTribe3) ....we do not know if the new women's soccer coach and the new volleyball coach are great hires -- yet. Neither coach has won even so much as one game yet. We can look at the resumes and assume that they are great hires and we can all hope and root that they turn out to be great hires --- but, remember, every new coach we have ever hired was highly thought of at the time of the hire (even Chuck Swenson and Rick Boyages). As of right now, the jury is still out on the hires and, in my opinion, the jury is still out on Huge. It seems she has started out well and apparently has pleased a lot of alumni -- but let's see what actually happens and whether she has the stamina for the long haul (and let's see how long she even stays at W&M).

Not a downer ...but don't go crazy with praise, either. Lastly, remember it is easy for anybody to look good when compared to Terry Driscoll.
02-02-2018 08:30 PM
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RE: New AD's Huge Decisions
(02-02-2018 08:30 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Shackford is a great hire. Go look at her resume and tell me otherwise. She's a former player, started a program at one school and was national coach of the year at another.

Give me a break.

(02-02-2018 09:41 AM)Zorch Wrote:  
(02-02-2018 06:54 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  Samantha Huge keeps making great hires

Okay, just to tone it down a little (and I am addressing this to many posters, not just BigTribe3) ....we do not know if the new women's soccer coach and the new volleyball coach are great hires -- yet. Neither coach has won even so much as one game yet. We can look at the resumes and assume that they are great hires and we can all hope and root that they turn out to be great hires --- but, remember, every new coach we have ever hired was highly thought of at the time of the hire (even Chuck Swenson and Rick Boyages). As of right now, the jury is still out on the hires and, in my opinion, the jury is still out on Huge. It seems she has started out well and apparently has pleased a lot of alumni -- but let's see what actually happens and whether she has the stamina for the long haul (and let's see how long she even stays at W&M).

Not a downer ...but don't go crazy with praise, either. Lastly, remember it is easy for anybody to look good when compared to Terry Driscoll.

I said you "can look at the resumes and assume that they are great hires". I also said that we can temper the hyperbole on how great Huge is or how great these new hires are until they prove it. Shackford may be good but she also has very big shoes to fill.
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Somebody stated that "anybody can look good following Terry Driscoll".

That should not go unchallenged because it is unfair and not true.

Terry had his faults but he also did some great things for our athletic program:

*somehow found the money for the greatest W&M athletics new construction spree in the school's long athletic history: The Laycock Building, the Zable Stadium upper deck, the Olympic track in the stadium,
Plumeri Park, the Plumeri Family indoor baseball facility, the Martin Family Stadium, the track & field throwing facility, the expanded outdoor tennis courts, the football scoreboard, etc.

*Approximately double the CAA championships of any other college in the conference under his directorship

*Maintained the high academic standards of our student athletes: highest graduation rate in the nation,
greatest number of academic All-Americans in the CAA and in the top ten almost every year nationwide

Sure there are things he didn't do, but the above comprises a remarkably successful record and I, for one,
believe Terry will be remembered as one of our best ADs for what he accomplished.
02-03-2018 07:02 AM
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(02-03-2018 07:02 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  Somebody stated that "anybody can look good following Terry Driscoll".

That should not go unchallenged because it is unfair and not true.

Terry had his faults but he also did some great things for our athletic program:

*somehow found the money for the greatest W&M athletics new construction spree in the school's long athletic history: The Laycock Building, the Zable Stadium upper deck, the Olympic track in the stadium,
Plumeri Park, the Plumeri Family indoor baseball facility, the Martin Family Stadium, the track & field throwing facility, the expanded outdoor tennis courts, the football scoreboard, etc.

*Approximately double the CAA championships of any other college in the conference under his directorship

*Maintained the high academic standards of our student athletes: highest graduation rate in the nation,
greatest number of academic All-Americans in the CAA and in the top ten almost every year nationwide

Sure there are things he didn't do, but the above comprises a remarkably successful record and I, for one,
believe Terry will be remembered as one of our best ADs for what he accomplished.

Good post. I've never understood the whole Driscoll bashing.
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Men's basketball. It was treated the same as the "lowest" sport. By a person with deep roots and knowledge of men's hoops, and what it can do to raise a university's profile. Any attempt by others to "raise the profile" of men's hoops was worse than pulling teeth. That's what the "bashing" is all about. That's all you need to know.
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(02-03-2018 08:28 AM)nj alum Wrote:  Men's basketball. It was treated the same as the "lowest" sport. By a person with deep roots and knowledge of men's hoops, and what it can do to raise a university's profile. Any attempt by others to "raise the profile" of men's hoops was worse than pulling teeth. That's what the "bashing" is all about. That's all you need to know.

Exactly. Basketball, both men's and women's suffered on the lowest rung of the ladder @ W&M. It is the sport with the greatest upside and potential at W&M. It's elevation will elevate the College's image. I look forward to the day I'll not cringe 6-8 times in March watching the NCAA's on national tv or get the standard dismissal when engaging in sports talk with those from other institutions.
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(02-03-2018 08:37 AM)LeadBolt Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 08:28 AM)nj alum Wrote:  Men's basketball. It was treated the same as the "lowest" sport. By a person with deep roots and knowledge of men's hoops, and what it can do to raise a university's profile. Any attempt by others to "raise the profile" of men's hoops was worse than pulling teeth. That's what the "bashing" is all about. That's all you need to know.

Exactly. Basketball, both men's and women's suffered on the lowest rung of the ladder @ W&M. It is the sport with the greatest upside and potential at W&M. It's elevation will elevate the College's image. I look forward to the day I'll not cringe 6-8 times in March watching the NCAA's on national tv or get the standard dismissal when engaging in sports talk with those from other institutions.

+1 on these two posts. Under Driscoll we invested more in the sports other schools were not investing in, so it should be expected that we did well in them. The problem is, there's a reason other schools aren't sending their money to tennis and track and gymnastics, etc. - they don't benefit the school nearly as much as a solid basketball program would have (and yes, I realize people like to trot out stats about alums from those programs donating which is fantastic, but there is no question our overall donations would be much higher with a historically annually competitive men's basketball program).

I don't know enough of the behind the scenes stuff to say whether Driscoll was competent or not, but I certainly believe his approach set WM back as a school.
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