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RE: New AD's Huge Decisions
(02-01-2018 08:33 AM)wmmii Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 09:03 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 11:59 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Returning to a consistent home and home basketball schedule of UR, VCU, GMU, along with Davidson and GW, just outweighs any reasons to remain in the CAA for other sports, outside of football.

Ugh - not this topic again!

1. Home-and-home with geographic rivals who deserted us and who don't care about W&M at all certainly does NOT outweigh the reasons to stay in the CAA.

2. CAA is stronger in every sport that I can think of, other than basketball. So our other top quality teams like soccer, baseball, tennis would be taking a downgrade to join the A-10.

3. We haven't even won a basketball title in the CAA so what makes anyone think that we would be competitive in the A-10 where basketball is THE ONLY sport that those schools care about.

4. Does anyone really think that it is a good thing for the volleyball team to travel to St. Louis for a league game or for the baseball team to travel to St. Bonaventure for a league game?

Too much delusions of grandeur for basketball at the expense of the travel budgets for all the other sports.

you have many good points here but your argument about the travel is not one of them. Not much difference traveling to NE, Hofstra or CoC.
Yeah I crunched the numbers and even including SLU, there is only about 30 miles distance between the average CAA and A10 school.

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RE: New AD's Huge Decisions
(02-01-2018 08:36 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 08:33 AM)wmmii Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 09:03 PM)Zorch Wrote:  4. Does anyone really think that it is a good thing for the volleyball team to travel to St. Louis for a league game or for the baseball team to travel to St. Bonaventure for a league game?

you have many good points here but your argument about the travel is not one of them. Not much difference traveling to NE, Hofstra or CoC.

Yeah I crunched the numbers and even including SLU, there is only about 30 miles distance between the average CAA and A10 school.

Ah, when I read wmii's response I thought "okay, crunch the numbers", so if Zablenoise has already done that then I would like to see the numbers if it is not too much trouble. I will say this right up front: I'm not sure that computing an AVERAGE distance is the proper way to do it. After all, the A-10 has 14 schools (as an aside, would we even want to be in a conference where they can't even count correctly?) so even if the average distance is about the same, the total distance for away games would be higher because there are 4 more away games every season.

The outliers in the A-10 (those furthest away; Saint Louis and St. Bonaventure (Buffalo NY area) and maybe even Dayton Ohio) are a lot further away than the furthest one in the CAA (NE) (and Rhode Island and UMass are just as far as NE). So I think a few of those close schools like VCU, UR, and GMU skew the average of the A-10 to be just as close as the average of the CAA but the outliers of the A-10 make those some brutal road trips. Also, it is not just distance/travel costs but it is also the time spent away from class/campus of our student-athletes that matters (not just $$).
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RE: New AD's Huge Decisions
(02-01-2018 09:30 AM)Zorch Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 08:36 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 08:33 AM)wmmii Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 09:03 PM)Zorch Wrote:  4. Does anyone really think that it is a good thing for the volleyball team to travel to St. Louis for a league game or for the baseball team to travel to St. Bonaventure for a league game?

you have many good points here but your argument about the travel is not one of them. Not much difference traveling to NE, Hofstra or CoC.

Yeah I crunched the numbers and even including SLU, there is only about 30 miles distance between the average CAA and A10 school.

Ah, when I read wmii's response I thought "okay, crunch the numbers", so if Zablenoise has already done that then I would like to see the numbers if it is not too much trouble. I will say this right up front: I'm not sure that computing an AVERAGE distance is the proper way to do it. After all, the A-10 has 14 schools (as an aside, would we even want to be in a conference where they can't even count correctly?) so even if the average distance is about the same, the total distance for away games would be higher because there are 4 more away games every season.

The outliers in the A-10 (those furthest away; Saint Louis and St. Bonaventure (Buffalo NY area) and maybe even Dayton Ohio) are a lot further away than the furthest one in the CAA (NE) (and Rhode Island and UMass are just as far as NE). So I think a few of those close schools like VCU, UR, and GMU skew the average of the A-10 to be just as close as the average of the CAA but the outliers of the A-10 make those some brutal road trips. Also, it is not just distance/travel costs but it is also the time spent away from class/campus of our student-athletes that matters (not just $$).

St Bonny/Dayton are both only 8 hours away.
SLU is the outlier at 12 hours.
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New AD's Huge Decisions
A10 does not play a complete home and home for basketball. They have an 18 game rotating slate, so, the same nine away games as the CAA.

Lasalle's discussion was from their message board, as well as, other's.

The CAA is doing just fine, and will get better, IF the make-up stays intact. That will change if JMU jumps to FBS, and Delaware later follows. If an A10 opening comes up, I would imagine UNCW or CofC jump, if given the invite. All of that changes things again for the CAA. I'm not as confident about the current CAA leadership, as the past. Core A10 programs, UR, VCU, GMU, Davidson, are not going anywhere. Tribe football is here to stay and will have/find a home in the CAA, or elsewhere, regardless.

The question becomes, IF we catch lightning in a bottle with an NCAA appearance and continued rise of the basketball program, AND an A10 slot opened, will we be prepared to pursue that destiny, or do nothing. And, yes, that does mean a decision by the administration to invest much more in the basketball program. That is a realistic possibility in the next few years.

The A10 headquarters is in Newport News.

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RE: New AD's Huge Decisions
If CofC and UNCW are talked about for possible A-10 membership, then why not NE? Or even Hofstra?
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Our objective should be to fund basketball at the same level as those 4 basketball only schools do.

Do that and this conversation has relevance. Until then, we need to focus internally.
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RE: New AD's Huge Decisions
It's more than about distance. Northeastern and St. Bonny might be similar miles wise, but Boston is leagues easier to get to than rural upstate New York.
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RE: New AD's Huge Decisions
La Salle is not leaving the A10. Pure conjecture.
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(02-01-2018 11:35 AM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  La Salle is not leaving the A10. Pure conjecture.
This is a college sports message board. Conjecture is what we do. Go check the "newest conference rumors" thread on the JMU board. I think it is up to 20,000 posts.
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This is pointless in my opinion because of two things.

1) Lasalle is not going anywhere
2) Even if they did, the A-10 would never want us

BUT...if by some miracle a spot opened up and was offered to us, we would be INSANE not to take it.

1) Home and homes with Richmond/Mason/GW/VCU/Davidson
2) Much higher profile (national TV exposure/conference tourney in DC)
3) Actual chance to earn an at large bid in a multi bid league
4) Probably have more in common academically with mostly private schools as compared to schools like Delaware/JMU/UNCW/Towson
5) CAA could be blown up by JMU or others leaving at any time
6) Leave W&M in CAA for football just like Richmond

Guessing the opening/offer never happens, but think Huge is smart enough to grab it if offered
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