"You follow drugs, you get drug addicts and drug dealers. But you start to follow the money, and you don't know where the f--- it's gonna take you."

Could lead to a small airstrip in Arkansas....

(05-12-2017 11:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:05 AM)banker Wrote:  the stereotype that minorities commit a disproportionate percentage of the crimes in this country.

I think he's suggesting that they commit a proportionate percentage of the crimes, but are disproportionately arrested and charged.

Oh come on there's no racial undertone as to why crack cocaine has/had such punitive mandatory minimums while powder cocaine didn't. I have no idea why such a myth would be out there.

Punish dealers severely, not so much users. But make where it's not a good idea to deal.

(05-12-2017 11:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:05 AM)banker Wrote:  the stereotype that minorities commit a disproportionate percentage of the crimes in this country.

I think he's suggesting that they commit a proportionate percentage of the crimes, but are disproportionately arrested and charged.

Yeah, he probably was, but the truth is that minorities commit a disproportionate percentage of crime, hence the disproportionate impact.

Here's an idea - if you don't want to go to jail on drug charges don't buy or sell drugs and don't hang out with people that buy or sell drugs. It's worked well for me and I'm sure it work equally well for any one else.

Quote:The 30 largest U.S. cities saw a double-digit increase in their murder rate in 2016, according to a new year-end report, even as crime nationwide remains near all-time lows.

A new study released Tuesday by New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice projects that the 2016 murder rate for the largest U.S. cities is up 14% from 2015 while the violent crime rate rose by 3.3%. The overall crime rate, however, increased by just 0.3%, thanks in large part to historically low levels of property crime, according to the study's authors.

Murders Up in U.S. Cities–But Crime Rate Still Near Record Lows

But I'm sure harsher sentences will stop this huge surge in crime of .3% being that the death penalty totally prevented murders in the states that enacted it.

(05-12-2017 11:29 AM)banker Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:05 AM)banker Wrote:  the stereotype that minorities commit a disproportionate percentage of the crimes in this country.

I think he's suggesting that they commit a proportionate percentage of the crimes, but are disproportionately arrested and charged.

Yeah, he probably was, but the truth is that minorities commit a disproportionate percentage of crime, hence the disproportionate impact.

Here's an idea - if you don't want to go to jail on drug charges don't buy or sell drugs and don't hang out with people that buy or sell drugs. It's worked well for me and I'm sure it work equally well for any one else.

Nah, that's too simple.

(05-12-2017 11:22 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Oh come on there's no racial undertone as to why crack cocaine has/had such punitive mandatory minimums while powder cocaine didn't. I have no idea why such a myth would be out there.

Indeed! Sessions is obviously no racist!

(05-12-2017 11:29 AM)banker Wrote:  the truth is that minorities commit a disproportionate percentage of crime

The truth is that minorities commit a proportionate percentage of crime, but law enforcement choose to arrest and charge minorities at a disproportionate rate.

Prove this wrong.

(05-12-2017 11:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:05 AM)banker Wrote:  the stereotype that minorities commit a disproportionate percentage of the crimes in this country.

I think he's suggesting that they commit a proportionate percentage of the crimes, but are disproportionately arrested and charged.

That is exactly right. Drug use is relatively equal among the races yet minorities are tried and convicted at a much higher percentage

It's common knowledge and Sessions knows it. That is why they want to fire up the War on Drugs again.

Well, I don't want to dismiss that angle -- which could well be true -- but my instinct says that this comes moreso from a desire to simply do everything exactly opposite of what Obama did, regardless if its the right think to do or not and regardless what philosophy, science, and data say.

(05-12-2017 11:22 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:05 AM)banker Wrote:  the stereotype that minorities commit a disproportionate percentage of the crimes in this country.

I think he's suggesting that they commit a proportionate percentage of the crimes, but are disproportionately arrested and charged.

Oh come on there's no racial undertone as to why crack cocaine has/had such punitive mandatory minimums while powder cocaine didn't. I have no idea why such a myth would be out there.

Well crack tends to make its users violent. But you ignore that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative.

(05-12-2017 11:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:The 30 largest U.S. cities saw a double-digit increase in their murder rate in 2016, according to a new year-end report, even as crime nationwide remains near all-time lows.

A new study released Tuesday by New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice projects that the 2016 murder rate for the largest U.S. cities is up 14% from 2015 while the violent crime rate rose by 3.3%. The overall crime rate, however, increased by just 0.3%, thanks in large part to historically low levels of property crime, according to the study's authors.

Murders Up in U.S. Cities–But Crime Rate Still Near Record Lows

But I'm sure harsher sentences will stop this huge surge in crime of .3% being that the death penalty totally prevented murders in the states that enacted it.

Do you even read what you post? Or are you just a parody of left-wingers?

(05-12-2017 11:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well, I don't want to dismiss that angle -- which could well be true -- but my instinct says that this comes moreso from a desire to simply do everything exactly opposite of what Obama did, regardless if its the right think to do or not and regardless what philosophy, science, and data say.

But isn't it essentially the same thing?


If Sessions and company want to reinstate the War on Drugs to hurt minorities, or do the opposite of what a black president did, it essentially comes from the same place.

An absolute hatred for diversity.

(05-12-2017 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well, I don't want to dismiss that angle -- which could well be true -- but my instinct says that this comes moreso from a desire to simply do everything exactly opposite of what Obama did, regardless if its the right think to do or not and regardless what philosophy, science, and data say.

But isn't it essentially the same thing?


If Sessions and company want to reinstate the War on Drugs to hurt minorities, or do the opposite of what a black president did, it essentially comes from the same place.

An absolute hatred for diversity.

Obama and Holder hate poor Blacks. They unleash a bunch of violent offenders in their communities. Murders up 15% due to Obama's policies. How much you want to bet those victims are disproportionately Black?

(05-12-2017 11:57 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well, I don't want to dismiss that angle -- which could well be true -- but my instinct says that this comes moreso from a desire to simply do everything exactly opposite of what Obama did, regardless if its the right think to do or not and regardless what philosophy, science, and data say.

But isn't it essentially the same thing?


If Sessions and company want to reinstate the War on Drugs to hurt minorities, or do the opposite of what a black president did, it essentially comes from the same place.

An absolute hatred for diversity.

Obama and Holder hate poor Blacks. They unleash a bunch of violent offenders in their communities. Murders up 15% due to Obama's policies. How much you want to bet those victims are disproportionately Black?

I won't deny the possibility. There is in fact a belief among some minorities that they themselves need to rid their own ranks of the least desirable within their communities.

But this isn't about that.

This is about the effect that this policy will have on minorities.

(05-12-2017 11:57 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well, I don't want to dismiss that angle -- which could well be true -- but my instinct says that this comes moreso from a desire to simply do everything exactly opposite of what Obama did, regardless if its the right think to do or not and regardless what philosophy, science, and data say.

But isn't it essentially the same thing?


If Sessions and company want to reinstate the War on Drugs to hurt minorities, or do the opposite of what a black president did, it essentially comes from the same place.

An absolute hatred for diversity.

Obama and Holder hate poor Blacks. They unleash a bunch of violent offenders in their communities. Murders up 15% due to Obama's policies. How much you want to bet those victims are disproportionately Black?

…and the ensuing catastrophe of 52 thousand drug related deaths in the US in 2015. That's how many died in all the years of the Viet Nam War. But, if you do drugs then it's your stupid fault. No pity from me.

(05-12-2017 12:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:57 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well, I don't want to dismiss that angle -- which could well be true -- but my instinct says that this comes moreso from a desire to simply do everything exactly opposite of what Obama did, regardless if its the right think to do or not and regardless what philosophy, science, and data say.

But isn't it essentially the same thing?


If Sessions and company want to reinstate the War on Drugs to hurt minorities, or do the opposite of what a black president did, it essentially comes from the same place.

An absolute hatred for diversity.

Obama and Holder hate poor Blacks. They unleash a bunch of violent offenders in their communities. Murders up 15% due to Obama's policies. How much you want to bet those victims are disproportionately Black?

I won't deny the possibility. There is in fact a belief among some minorities that they themselves need to rid their own ranks of the least desirable within their communities.

But this isn't about that.

This is about the effect that this policy will have on minorities.

And the impact it will have on minorities is that it will reduce violent crime against the innocent.

There was an article in the Atlanta paper a while back. Fulton County has been letting everyone out early or on bail. Something like 80% of the serious crimes were being committed by people released early or with current charges pending against them while out on bail. One guy had something like 6 charges pending and he just kept committing new crimes.

Maybe we haven't been reserving jail only for the right criminals, but certain ones need to be in for a very, very long time. They can't commit crimes in our neighborhoods if they are in jail.

(05-12-2017 12:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 12:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:57 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well, I don't want to dismiss that angle -- which could well be true -- but my instinct says that this comes moreso from a desire to simply do everything exactly opposite of what Obama did, regardless if its the right think to do or not and regardless what philosophy, science, and data say.

But isn't it essentially the same thing?


If Sessions and company want to reinstate the War on Drugs to hurt minorities, or do the opposite of what a black president did, it essentially comes from the same place.

An absolute hatred for diversity.

Obama and Holder hate poor Blacks. They unleash a bunch of violent offenders in their communities. Murders up 15% due to Obama's policies. How much you want to bet those victims are disproportionately Black?

I won't deny the possibility. There is in fact a belief among some minorities that they themselves need to rid their own ranks of the least desirable within their communities.

But this isn't about that.

This is about the effect that this policy will have on minorities.

And the impact it will have on minorities is that it will reduce violent crime against the innocent.

That might very well be the first effect and that would be a good thing but what else will it do?

What if it creates yet another generation of inner city minorities who don't have fathers because they are in prison?

What if it creates inner city teens who feel they have no other choice but to turn to gangs and drugs to make ends meet?

This is exactly what happened in the 80's when the War on Drugs was at it's height. It took us a generation to get over that.

Are you really read to go through that again?