http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/...olicy.html

In order to reverse the spike in crime over the last couple of years and provide more even justice, Sessions tells prosecutors to seek the toughest reasonable charges, reversing the Obama/Holder efforts to leave more criminals on the streets.

The controversy is over drug crimes, but of course Obama/Holder were soft on all crime.

A prosecutor once told me there were 3 philosophies for sentencing, Retribution, Deterence and Rehabilitation. I think he was missing the 4th, the one Holder and Obama (and Berkeley and Baltimore now) practiced, Coddling.

Yep because the war on drugs has gone sooooo well. Just what we need, more drug arrests, longer sentences, and more private prisons.

(05-12-2017 06:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  A prosecutor once told me there were 3 philosophies for sentencing, Retribution, Deterence and Rehabilitation.

And I've always thought that the focus should be:

For victimless crimes - rehabilitation
For crimes against property - retribution
For crimes against persons (and only for crimes against persons) - deterrence

I think we try to do too much deterrence for all three, and not enough retribution for crimes against property, nor enough rehabilitation for victimless crimes.

I believe that hard labor and chain gangs would work quite well.

(05-12-2017 08:07 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I believe that hard labor and chain gangs would work quite well.

I'm thinking cutting off hands and public lashings, but you are obviously more liberal on it than I.

(05-12-2017 07:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Yep because the war on drugs has gone sooooo well. Just what we need, more drug arrests, longer sentences, and more private prisons.

Private prison corporations, CoreCivic (CXW) is up 140% since Trump won in November and Geo Group (GEO) has risen 98%.

Unfortunately, there is no ETF for prison companies. Maybe I'll start one and name it JAIL.

We know why this happening. These sorts of policies have been proven to disproportionately effect minorities.

(05-12-2017 09:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  We know why this happening. These sorts of policies have been proven to disproportionately effect minorities.

Chicago, Baltimore and Ferguson are perfect examples of how the Obama/Holder policies disproportionately harm minorities.

(05-12-2017 08:07 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I believe that hard labor and chain gangs would work quite well.

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What's a good name for this type of fallacy:

"Doing something, or setting a policy, in order to achieve nothing other than the exact opposite of what has previously been established, with zero regard to what makes the most philosophical and/or data-driven sense and zero regard to what you actually think is right."


Textbook example of this fallacy:

Quote:Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordered federal prosecutors this week to seek the maximum punishment for drug offenses

(05-12-2017 08:16 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 07:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Yep because the war on drugs has gone sooooo well. Just what we need, more drug arrests, longer sentences, and more private prisons.

Private prison corporations, CoreCivic (CXW) is up 140% since Trump won in November and Geo Group (GEO) has risen 98%.

Unfortunately, there is no ETF for prison companies. Maybe I'll start one and name it JAIL.

That's a hell of an investment opportunity with Sessions around. Talk about jump starting the economy if we open more private prisons and arrest more people just think of how much unemployment will drop!!!

(05-12-2017 07:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  And I've always thought that the focus should be:

For victimless crimes - rehabilitation
For crimes against property - retribution
For crimes against persons (and only for crimes against persons) - deterrence

I think we try to do too much deterrence for all three, and not enough retribution for crimes against property, nor enough rehabilitation for victimless crimes.

There should be no such "crime" as being a drug user, or simply buying drugs. These people need help, not citations or worse.

Low level drug sellers should be fined and given help, to break the cycle.


High level drug distributors ... those are hardened criminals, and often murderers to boot. If you're going to go after people, these are the only ones you should focus on.

(05-12-2017 07:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Yep because the war on drugs has gone sooooo well. Just what we need, more drug arrests, longer sentences, and more private prisons.

Depending upon one's views of drugs and their impact.

Some people think drug use only impacts the individual. If that's the case, who cares what you do.

Others realize the real impact drug use has on not only family members but also society.

Something to keep in mind: if you want to encourage behavior decriminalize it or give a tax benefit. If you want to discourage behavior criminalize it or tax it.

(05-12-2017 10:16 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Others realize the real impact drug use has on not only family members but also society.

100% true. We see this not just for illegal drugs, but legal drugs like opioids which are allowed to be marketed as pain-killers (even though we're finding out that they don't even work for chronic pain ... probably something that Big Pharma already knew, and hid ... but I am making that up)


But what you absolutely should not do is go after drug users. That is the epitome of stupid, ideology driven policy.

(05-12-2017 10:16 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 07:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Yep because the war on drugs has gone sooooo well. Just what we need, more drug arrests, longer sentences, and more private prisons.

Depending upon one's views of drugs and their impact.

Some people think drug use only impacts the individual. If that's the case, who cares what you do.

Others realize the real impact drug use has on not only family members but also society.

Something to keep in mind: if you want to encourage behavior decriminalize it or give a tax benefit. If you want to discourage behavior criminalize it or tax it.

Opoids are legal with a prescription. And they are strongly contributing to lowering the average life expectancy of the entire country. There are very strong arguments that legalization is bad for society as a whole. That doesn't mean you throw every user in jail. But making it easy just means more addicts.

Even if you legalize this stuff, people are still going to buy the home sink drugs that are killing people.

(05-12-2017 08:10 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 08:07 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I believe that hard labor and chain gangs would work quite well.

I'm thinking cutting off hands and public lashings, but you are obviously more liberal on it than I.

Heck no. Then they'd be on the public dole. Don't you think we have enough of those. Chain gang. We need little rocks for landscaping. All that exercise is good for their health too.

(05-12-2017 10:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  Even if you legalize this stuff, people are still going to buy the home sink drugs that are killing people.

Hence why you don't go after users.

(05-12-2017 11:05 AM)banker Wrote:  the stereotype that minorities commit a disproportionate percentage of the crimes in this country.

I think he's suggesting that they commit a proportionate percentage of the crimes, but are disproportionately arrested and charged.