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RE: Which conference values Kansas most?
(05-12-2017 05:27 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 03:00 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  The SEC needs another elite basketball school to go along with UK, SC, and FL

If Arkansas and Missouri get back to their old ways the SEC will be ok in basketball. I think you'll see the SEC start doing better and better in the NCAA tournament as schools like SC, Ole Miss, etc start to put money into basketball

Missouri? They've had some good seasons, but they're not historically a powerhouse.

In the last 20 years, they've finished the season ranked 3 times.

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(05-12-2017 06:37 PM)Trevor Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 08:57 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 08:34 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Pac 12 should offer ku, ksu, ou and ok st to jump to 16. No politics, no problems with those 4 and the get a huge football and basketball brand in the central time zone. Than the focus goes to adding Texas and Texas tech and/or maybe Houston to jump to 18-20

I agree on KU and OU. Both would be nice fits in the PAC12, not sure about the other two. I would prefer to see them pick up Houston and Tech. I really do not see Texas going west and would not be shocked, if the Big12 falls apart to see them take the Notre Dame route.

As for the OP, I think the PAC12 values Kansas most. They would be a great fit.

Just a small note here: It’s possible that any BIG 12 realignment with some PAC12 members or at least California State Schools may be already set in stone. Didn’t Cal, back in February, shutdown basketball series talks with KU because of anti-discrimination laws in Kansas. It seems “Kansas has a "religious freedom" law that allows student groups to be discriminatory in their membership practices based on those groups' beliefs, the World-Journal reported.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s-lgbt-law

It's not anti-discrimination laws, it's so-called "bathroom bill" laws. There's been a couple of threads here about this issue.

To summarize, any "pre-existing contracts" between schools will not be affected by California's new laws. So postseason tournaments currently scheduled games will not be affected. However, California public schools are not allowed to enter into any new contracts where they play in any state that has such laws.

Right now, Kansas is on the list of prohibited states (along with North Carolina, Mississippi, and Tennessee). But the way the CA law was written, it automatically will extend to any other state that passes such a law. As of today, 11 states are currently considering adding such laws. Some of them (like New York) won't pass, but others stand a good shot (like Texas, where a "bathroom bill" has already passed the Texas state Senate).
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RE: Which conference values Kansas most?
On the OP, Kansas seems like a #16 for the Big Ten, if there is a compelling #15.

If there is a P5 that would look on Kansas as the compelling add to make their move, plus another school to even up the numbers, that P5 conference would value Kansas more than the Big Ten.
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The American,
P4 don't need em, and they would be a great bookend to WS
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(05-12-2017 11:00 AM)goofus Wrote:  Some very good points. Adding Kansas and a 5th AAU school would be a boost for the SEC's academic reputation.

But not so much for the Big Ten. Kansas may be in the AAU but most academic rankings put it closer to Nebraska and Oklahoma than to Rutgers and MD. Kansas would be the 2nd lowest academic rated school in the BigTen if it were added, just barely ahead of Nebraska. The academic elites in the BigTen are not excited about Kansas.

What a load of sh!t. B1G was so concerned about academics that they decided that Nebraska was the right call because it checked ALL the boxes....Too bad that it was well known that Nebraska was more than likely losing that AAU status. Hell, at least 2 B1G schools voted them out of the AAU. Kansas gets invited to another P5 conference only if the hypothetical conference can expect to make more money in any combination of TV contract renewals, access to new or better paying bowls and improved BB/FB cache to help drive ratings (for advertising/marketing of the schools). Everything else is just "nice to have", but far from critical.
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(05-15-2017 10:16 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 11:00 AM)goofus Wrote:  Some very good points. Adding Kansas and a 5th AAU school would be a boost for the SEC's academic reputation.

But not so much for the Big Ten. Kansas may be in the AAU but most academic rankings put it closer to Nebraska and Oklahoma than to Rutgers and MD. Kansas would be the 2nd lowest academic rated school in the BigTen if it were added, just barely ahead of Nebraska. The academic elites in the BigTen are not excited about Kansas.

What a load of sh!t. B1G was so concerned about academics that they decided that Nebraska was the right call because it checked ALL the boxes....Too bad that it was well known that Nebraska was more than likely losing that AAU status. Hell, at least 2 B1G schools voted them out of the AAU. Kansas gets invited to another P5 conference only if the hypothetical conference can expect to make more money in any combination of TV contract renewals, access to new or better paying bowls and improved BB/FB cache to help drive ratings (for advertising/marketing of the schools). Everything else is just "nice to have", but far from critical.

I agree with you partially here. To be sure, the Big Ten definitely has a minimum academic threshold. It's essentially a black/white line where a school either passes that academic threshold or it doesn't. If a school *does* pass that academic threshold, then the analysis goes solely to whether that school makes enough money for the league. Academic standing is effectively the first elimination round for Big Ten expansion. For instance, Rice would meet the academic threshold, but if Kansas also meets that academic threshold (which I believe it does), the fact that Rice is a much higher ranked academic school is completely irrelevant as compared to Kansas. Rice and Kansas are both academically acceptable in the Big Ten's eyes, which means that the only relevant analysis after that acceptability is determined is whether Kansas will make more athletic money for the Big Ten than Rice (or vice versa).
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(05-16-2017 10:19 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-15-2017 10:16 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 11:00 AM)goofus Wrote:  Some very good points. Adding Kansas and a 5th AAU school would be a boost for the SEC's academic reputation.

But not so much for the Big Ten. Kansas may be in the AAU but most academic rankings put it closer to Nebraska and Oklahoma than to Rutgers and MD. Kansas would be the 2nd lowest academic rated school in the BigTen if it were added, just barely ahead of Nebraska. The academic elites in the BigTen are not excited about Kansas.

What a load of sh!t. B1G was so concerned about academics that they decided that Nebraska was the right call because it checked ALL the boxes....Too bad that it was well known that Nebraska was more than likely losing that AAU status. Hell, at least 2 B1G schools voted them out of the AAU. Kansas gets invited to another P5 conference only if the hypothetical conference can expect to make more money in any combination of TV contract renewals, access to new or better paying bowls and improved BB/FB cache to help drive ratings (for advertising/marketing of the schools). Everything else is just "nice to have", but far from critical.

I agree with you partially here. To be sure, the Big Ten definitely has a minimum academic threshold. It's essentially a black/white line where a school either passes that academic threshold or it doesn't. If a school *does* pass that academic threshold, then the analysis goes solely to whether that school makes enough money for the league. Academic standing is effectively the first elimination round for Big Ten expansion. For instance, Rice would meet the academic threshold, but if Kansas also meets that academic threshold (which I believe it does), the fact that Rice is a much higher ranked academic school is completely irrelevant as compared to Kansas. Rice and Kansas are both academically acceptable in the Big Ten's eyes, which means that the only relevant analysis after that acceptability is determined is whether Kansas will make more athletic money for the Big Ten than Rice (or vice versa).

I'm sure there is some type of circuit breaker, but it's not AAU status. That went out the window with Nebraska. I think that academic threshold is not nearly as high as everyone was led to believe.
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RE: Which conference values Kansas most?
Carnegie R1, top 8% of R&D schools, and a flagship.

AAU is actually less precises. Oregon is in and Utah is out. But the metrics say both are errors
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There is always the possibility of KU becoming a better football program if placed in a functional conference. KU had some pretty good years mixed in with the bad. Their recruiting would almost certainly improve.
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(05-12-2017 12:09 AM)StinkyDuck Wrote:  I think the SEC, PAC12, or Big 10 would take Kansas if their is another round of realignment. But which one sees more value by adding them?

Kansas is AAU so on the academic side they would be coveted.

I think we can all agree that they add nothing to the football side. Since the SEC is typically the better football conference year in year out I would think they see more value just in the sense that for the most part it's a win for the other programs.

On the basketball side I think the PAC12 and Big 10 value them more. This would add more must see match ups that the networks would love to have. (Kansas-UCLA, Kansas Michigan St., etc....). The SEC's basketball isn't that great overall so they could use a program like Kansas but all that would be worth watching most years would be Kentucky-Kansas. Then again, the SEC could see that alone as valuable as it would raise the perception of their basketball programs.

So, which conference do you think values Kansas the most and why?

SEC especially if Oklahoma comes along. Oklahoma also has a great upside in Basketball as well as Football.
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