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RE: Which conference values Kansas most?
Which conference values Kansas most? The Big East.

Kansas hoops coach said Big East was set to invite four Big XII teams had Texas opted out

This would have unquestionably saved the Big East.
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RE: Which conference values Kansas most?
(05-12-2017 09:24 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Can't help but think KU loses regardless of anyone probably lining up to take them (and they would).

The Big 8 had some of the best recruiting pipelines in the country. The worker-bees of Oklahoma, Colorado, and Nebraska could find their way into any part of the country for football. Kansas held up the basketball.

Kansas still upholds the conference's basketball, but it looks like the program needs a directional point from which to tether. And, I think that point is in Texas.

I don't see Kansas and Oklahoma going anywhere together, and that's bad. I don't see Kansas and Texas going anywhere together, either, or, at least, I don't see Kansas and Texas going somewhere together as a pod.

I do see Kansas as either a future Big Ten, PAC, or ACC prospect. The question becomes, who else goes with them? It's probably not State if it's Big Ten or PAC...it's not both UT or OU if it's the others.

Kansas is a true national recruiting school for basketball (where they basically compete for the same set of recruits that also look at Kentucky, Duke and UNC). To the extent that they have a directional point for basketball recruiting, it's honestly the Chicago area much more than Texas (which points to being more Big Ten-centric). Much to my chagrin as an Illini guy, KU does a great job getting Chicagoland recruits with Bill Self's ties there (and the national name brand is more than strong enough to outlast Bill Self's tenure). Regardless, regional or home state advantages are mitigated quite greatly in basketball compared to football (and for a school like KU, it's almost entirely irrelevant). For the blue blood hoops programs, they're chasing after the same set of superstar recruits no matter where they might live.
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RE: Which conference values Kansas most?
Some very good points. Adding Kansas and a 5th AAU school would be a boost for the SEC's academic reputation.

But not so much for the Big Ten. Kansas may be in the AAU but most academic rankings put it closer to Nebraska and Oklahoma than to Rutgers and MD. Kansas would be the 2nd lowest academic rated school in the BigTen if it were added, just barely ahead of Nebraska. The academic elites in the BigTen are not excited about Kansas.
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RE: Which conference values Kansas most?
(05-12-2017 10:16 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Which conference values Kansas most? The Big East.

Kansas hoops coach said Big East was set to invite four Big XII teams had Texas opted out

This would have unquestionably saved the Big East.

Sort of. What probably would have happened officially is the leftover schools in the Big12 would have officially invited all 8 of the Big East football schools to the Big12. In the end, the Big East football conference still goes away and the Big East still turns into a non-football conference.
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(05-12-2017 09:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  And taking Kansas stymies B1G expansion at the same time. With OU and Kansas off the table, the B1G isn't likely to have any interest in Texas, or Texas with them. Austin would be over 800 miles away from the nearest B1G school (Nebraska) and 1000 miles from any other.

Not really. The B1G has coveted Texas since the 90s and pretty much has a standing invite out to them. If Texas wants to join the B1G, the B1G will have the same interest that they've always had.
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(05-12-2017 11:36 AM)AntiG Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 09:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  And taking Kansas stymies B1G expansion at the same time. With OU and Kansas off the table, the B1G isn't likely to have any interest in Texas, or Texas with them. Austin would be over 800 miles away from the nearest B1G school (Nebraska) and 1000 miles from any other.

Not really. The B1G has coveted Texas since the 90s and pretty much has a standing invite out to them. If Texas wants to join the B1G, the B1G will have the same interest that they've always had.

And how is it that you know this to be true? The landscape has changed a lot since the 90's. I'm not at all sure that UT could muster 11 votes from the current roster of B1G schools.

I don't believe the fact that they would not be in a contiguous state would be the reason they would be excluded. I think a bigger reason would be how hard they are to get along with. And, an absolute requirement for the B1G, IMO, would be that UT merge the LHN with the BTN for an equal share.

Who would you expect the B1G would invite to join Texas as new members?
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(05-12-2017 11:05 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 10:16 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Which conference values Kansas most? The Big East.

Kansas hoops coach said Big East was set to invite four Big XII teams had Texas opted out

This would have unquestionably saved the Big East.

Sort of. What probably would have happened officially is the leftover schools in the Big12 would have officially invited all 8 of the Big East football schools to the Big12. In the end, the Big East football conference still goes away and the Big East still turns into a non-football conference.

I don't know. The C7 would have stayed with that configuration. The C7 weren't thrilled with the quality of basketball coming in from C-USA.

I think the real sticking point would have been if that configuration could have received a contract bowl once the BCS went away. The Big East was still an at-large AQ for football without a permanent destination. While the football would still be stronger with Missouri and K-State, I don't know if it would have been strong enough to take the Big 12's Fiesta bowl contract slot.

I don't know if the deal with those 4 would have fallen apart, but I think the basketball strength brought in with Kansas and Iowa State would have kept the C7 (and probably Notre Dame) in the conference.

The knock on the Big East was that if you didn't get West Virginia you didn't get a good traveling team. Coupled with the tendency to send a non-BCS worthy team every 5 to 6 years, it wouldn't have looked good. But if Notre Dame negotiated with this group (Pitt-Syracuse-WVU-Louisville-K State and Mizzou) for bowls, maybe that would have made a difference.
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OP: My guess would be both the SEC and the PAC "need" Kansas more. I use the term lightly as the SEC is probably fine with the status quo until something happens.

But the SEC needs a short in the arm in basketball and academics. The PAC needs the central state markets.

On the other hand, I wonder what Kansas wants most. They are a blue-blood but have to consider recruiting, competition level, etc. If as posted above, Kansas recruits Chicago more than Texas, then perhaps moving to the Big 10 makes sense. However, there they have to play against Michigan State, Michigan, Purdue and Indiana. A move to the SEC, for instance, would mean games against Kentucky and Florida, but perhaps not much other competition year in year out for basketball. Being able to the big fish in a small pond may be appealing to them.
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(05-12-2017 11:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 11:36 AM)AntiG Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 09:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  And taking Kansas stymies B1G expansion at the same time. With OU and Kansas off the table, the B1G isn't likely to have any interest in Texas, or Texas with them. Austin would be over 800 miles away from the nearest B1G school (Nebraska) and 1000 miles from any other.

Not really. The B1G has coveted Texas since the 90s and pretty much has a standing invite out to them. If Texas wants to join the B1G, the B1G will have the same interest that they've always had.

And how is it that you know this to be true? The landscape has changed a lot since the 90's. I'm not at all sure that UT could muster 11 votes from the current roster of B1G schools.

I don't believe the fact that they would not be in a contiguous state would be the reason they would be excluded. I think a bigger reason would be how hard they are to get along with. And, an absolute requirement for the B1G, IMO, would be that UT merge the LHN with the BTN for an equal share.

Who would you expect the B1G would invite to join Texas as new members?

When the time comes, they'll figure out a way to deal with the LHN mess. But they'll be able to get the votes for Texas to join. Most likely the conference will invite Texas and Oklahoma when the time is right. If the hypothetical that was introduced (KU and OU already gone), then I could certainly see the B1G just taking Texas alone if Texas wants it. Its not like the conference has an issue being uneven, they were at 11 for over two decades.
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RE: Which conference values Kansas most?
(05-12-2017 10:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 09:24 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Can't help but think KU loses regardless of anyone probably lining up to take them (and they would).

The Big 8 had some of the best recruiting pipelines in the country. The worker-bees of Oklahoma, Colorado, and Nebraska could find their way into any part of the country for football. Kansas held up the basketball.

Kansas still upholds the conference's basketball, but it looks like the program needs a directional point from which to tether. And, I think that point is in Texas.

I don't see Kansas and Oklahoma going anywhere together, and that's bad. I don't see Kansas and Texas going anywhere together, either, or, at least, I don't see Kansas and Texas going somewhere together as a pod.

I do see Kansas as either a future Big Ten, PAC, or ACC prospect. The question becomes, who else goes with them? It's probably not State if it's Big Ten or PAC...it's not both UT or OU if it's the others.

Kansas is a true national recruiting school for basketball (where they basically compete for the same set of recruits that also look at Kentucky, Duke and UNC). To the extent that they have a directional point for basketball recruiting, it's honestly the Chicago area much more than Texas (which points to being more Big Ten-centric). Much to my chagrin as an Illini guy, KU does a great job getting Chicagoland recruits with Bill Self's ties there (and the national name brand is more than strong enough to outlast Bill Self's tenure). Regardless, regional or home state advantages are mitigated quite greatly in basketball compared to football (and for a school like KU, it's almost entirely irrelevant). For the blue blood hoops programs, they're chasing after the same set of superstar recruits no matter where they might live.

KU has actually been recruiting the northeast and eastern seaboard the most anymore under Self. Under Roy Williams - California, Texas, and the top Midwest guys were KU's targets.
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