(05-15-2017 03:00 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 02:01 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 01:59 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:55 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:43 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Why would Troy be above it if BYU wasn't. I'm mean come on, they've done much better in the few months of scheduling than CCU has in the past year and change. H/H with BYU and 2/1's with two ACC schools is a much better deal than a 2/1 with Kansas. Just saying

You're joking, right? Do I need to point out the obvious to you?

Coastal is a public school that is basically working on 0 budget from the state. Liberty is run like a business with a fuel supply of online shell degrees.

Do you really think that comparing what Coastal's AD has done with limited resources at a public university to what an AD at a private school with limitless money to write blank checks is a fair comparison?

Why do you think super old rich guys marry women half their age? It's easy to buy games. Which is what I've said all along and will continue to say. If Troy got a big fat check for this, then it's all good. It's only a bad move if they got no money for it.

And what I am saying is you are basing this off of assumptions. There has been nothing saying they've paid for games.

They've almost certainly had to have opened their wallets to make some of these games happen.

They absolutely did. It's common sense.

I've said it from the beginning. They'll get games but they'll pay dearly for them. But they have a lot of money so they don't mind. So it works for them.

Confirmed.

ODU is getting 1.32 million to make the 4 hour trip.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...7aae1.html

Well I am a man that can admit when I am wrong. Y'all were right, they are paying. 1.32 million to ODU for opening 2018 game. That is insane money...

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...7aae1.html

(05-15-2017 03:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:00 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 02:01 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 01:59 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:55 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  You're joking, right? Do I need to point out the obvious to you?

Coastal is a public school that is basically working on 0 budget from the state. Liberty is run like a business with a fuel supply of online shell degrees.

Do you really think that comparing what Coastal's AD has done with limited resources at a public university to what an AD at a private school with limitless money to write blank checks is a fair comparison?

Why do you think super old rich guys marry women half their age? It's easy to buy games. Which is what I've said all along and will continue to say. If Troy got a big fat check for this, then it's all good. It's only a bad move if they got no money for it.

And what I am saying is you are basing this off of assumptions. There has been nothing saying they've paid for games.

They've almost certainly had to have opened their wallets to make some of these games happen.

They absolutely did. It's common sense.

I've said it from the beginning. They'll get games but they'll pay dearly for them. But they have a lot of money so they don't mind. So it works for them.

Confirmed.

ODU is getting 1.32 million to make the 4 hour trip.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...7aae1.html

It's funny because that NewTimes Liberty fan a couple months back was rambling on and on about how I had no idea what I was talking about.

But alas!!!! EXACTLY what I predicted is happening.

Congrats on the big check. You have a smart admin that leveraged their desperation against them. That's good business right there.

(05-15-2017 11:02 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:50 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:38 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:28 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:22 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Well one could argue that it does. Theres a reason FBS teams don't play at FCS schools and some p5s don't play at G5s or play FCS schools at all. Because they think it will lower their perception.

We're talking Coastal. One year ahead of LU in FBS full recognition. Any G5 or better school with some longevity yes. Coastal no.

Either way I see his point. They moved up to differentiate themselves from the FCS and y'all. Clearly some of their fans don't want to be associated with you or that perception. I'm sure over on the east coast y'all are more well known for better or worse, but casual Coastal fans might still think you're FCS and be like "why tf are we playing at an FCS school?". Obviously y'all won't be FCS anymore but we all know how uninformed people can be.

BC, I think Coastal's challenge is to build a fan base for home games, build a base of fans to travel, rather than to be concerned about the perception and implication of playing LU. Coastal biggest rival game just one year removed was LU. The Big South Conference recognized that as that was the final season for both teams for the past 5 years. I get why CCU would want to distance itself from LU, as LU will look to generate rivalries with teams with active fan bases. What pumps up home fans is when thousands of visiting fans cheer for their team in your stadium. LU did that when they traveled to Coastal, it was not thre case when Coastal came to LU.

Ok. Then since our traveling fan base is below your elite standards, then you should avoid playing lowly Coastal as well, right?

Looks like we agree. You don't want to play us and we don't want to play you.

The statement you made about the concern of how the SC casual fan would perceive CCU was the huhhh moment. I'm not advocating CCU playing LU. If one compares the teams on LU's schedule in 2018, CCU would not be in the upper echelon. I'm not dishing CCU. And the challenges CCU has are attendance and support, not the perception of playing LU.

(05-15-2017 10:40 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:38 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:28 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:22 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 09:00 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  So your intent to not play LU is how the perception of the "casual SC sports fan" will continue to perceive Coastal. That's interesting, and a real twist not to want to play LU. Very unusual when the perception of a casual fan drives scheduling.

Well one could argue that it does. Theres a reason FBS teams don't play at FCS schools and some p5s don't play at G5s or play FCS schools at all. Because they think it will lower their perception.

We're talking Coastal. One year ahead of LU in FBS full recognition. Any G5 or better school with some longevity yes. Coastal no.

Either way I see his point. They moved up to differentiate themselves from the FCS and y'all. Clearly some of their fans don't want to be associated with you or that perception. I'm sure over on the east coast y'all are more well known for better or worse, but casual Coastal fans might still think you're FCS and be like "why tf are we playing at an FCS school?". Obviously y'all won't be FCS anymore but we all know how uninformed people can be.

Exactly. Glad someone gets it.

And I still can't figure out for the life of me why any Liberty fan would want to continue playing us. We should both avoid each other like the plague.

It comes down to what I keep saying. They're desperate. Playing both sides of a H/H in one year shows just how desperate they are.

CA2011, with all the warts, blemishes, missteps, uninvites, LU is most anything else other than desparate. Let's see how you attendance and support manifest from here forwards. I hope you do well, as is needed.

(05-15-2017 03:52 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 11:02 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:50 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:38 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 10:28 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  We're talking Coastal. One year ahead of LU in FBS full recognition. Any G5 or better school with some longevity yes. Coastal no.

Either way I see his point. They moved up to differentiate themselves from the FCS and y'all. Clearly some of their fans don't want to be associated with you or that perception. I'm sure over on the east coast y'all are more well known for better or worse, but casual Coastal fans might still think you're FCS and be like "why tf are we playing at an FCS school?". Obviously y'all won't be FCS anymore but we all know how uninformed people can be.

BC, I think Coastal's challenge is to build a fan base for home games, build a base of fans to travel, rather than to be concerned about the perception and implication of playing LU. Coastal biggest rival game just one year removed was LU. The Big South Conference recognized that as that was the final season for both teams for the past 5 years. I get why CCU would want to distance itself from LU, as LU will look to generate rivalries with teams with active fan bases. What pumps up home fans is when thousands of visiting fans cheer for their team in your stadium. LU did that when they traveled to Coastal, it was not thre case when Coastal came to LU.

Ok. Then since our traveling fan base is below your elite standards, then you should avoid playing lowly Coastal as well, right?

Looks like we agree. You don't want to play us and we don't want to play you.

The statement you made about the concern of how the SC casual fan would perceive CCU was the huhhh moment. I'm not advocating CCU playing LU. If one compares the teams on LU's schedule in 2018, CCU would not be in the upper echelon. I'm not dishing CCU. And the challenges CCU has are attendance and support, not the perception of playing LU.

That's interesting. It's hard to have over 10k fans when your stadium capacity is 10k. There were quite a few games over the last couple years where it was common knowledge that we turned fans away.

With our stadium expansion, we will be over 20k.

I see in that article your stadium seats 19.2k. So injoy that argument for the final months you have it at your disposal.

And yes, continuing to play liberty would absolutely be a problem. Just like continuing to play CSU or Gardner Webb would be.

I actually think we will play in the next few years, but I stand by it, that we better get paid and get paid massively. And based on the savvy our administration has shown and based on liberty's desperate moves so far (paying ODU their biggest paycheck in history, scheduling both sides of an H/H in the same year, etc.) getting a massive check should be assumed if it happens. But I would rather it just not happen.

I would LOVE to know what Troy got paid.

(05-15-2017 12:55 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:43 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 07:43 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 09:29 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 06:06 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Agreed. This was a bad move by Troy. Should have been a 2 for 1 (obviously in Troy's favor) or no deal. Unless Liberty wrote you guys a big check for a 1 and 1 especially with you guys going there first, you just got outsmarted by the slow kid with an online degree.

That being said, I'm deathly afraid that Coastal will announce a similarly idiotic deal in the coming year. Believe me, I'll be even MORE critical of us if we do it.

You are what one year ahead of them in moving up.....Lol....really. They draw twice as many people to their games.....Wow. That is funny.

As I've said in other threads, for the EXACT reason you just posted, Coastal should not play them.

Coastal is fighting a perception battle in the state of SC as "still being FCS" and we will continue to fight that battle for years. Continuining to play a team that we played every year in FCS to the casual fan in SC will just solidify in their minds that we "never moved up."

So it's funny that you posted something to try and tear apart my stance, but you instead just proved my point further. Thank you.

And just for the record, I've also posted on here many times that it wouldn't be good for Liberty if they scheduled us for the same exact reasons it would be bad for us.

The reason Troy shouldn't be scheduling a H/H with them with no money involved are different than Coastal's. Troy is an established program that should consider themselves above that unless they got paid a boat load. Which maybe they did. I HOPE they did. I really do.

Why would Troy be above it if BYU wasn't. I'm mean come on, they've done much better in the few months of scheduling than CCU has in the past year and change. H/H with BYU and 2/1's with two ACC schools is a much better deal than a 2/1 with Kansas. Just saying

You're joking, right? Do I need to point out the obvious to you?

Coastal is a public school that is basically working on 0 budget from the state. Liberty is run like a business with a fuel supply of online shell degrees.

Do you really think that comparing what Coastal's AD has done with limited resources at a public university to what an AD at a private school with limitless money to write blank checks is a fair comparison?

Why do you think super old rich guys marry women half their age? It's easy to buy games. Which is what I've said all along and will continue to say. If Troy got a big fat check for this, then it's all good. It's only a bad move if they got no money for it.

If you toned down some of the high and mighty rhetoric your posts would be more valid. Professing to posters here that they finally get your point and understand your positions sounds more like a man on an island rather than a full endorsement of one's beliefs.

(05-15-2017 04:00 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:55 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:43 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 07:43 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 09:29 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  You are what one year ahead of them in moving up.....Lol....really. They draw twice as many people to their games.....Wow. That is funny.

As I've said in other threads, for the EXACT reason you just posted, Coastal should not play them.

Coastal is fighting a perception battle in the state of SC as "still being FCS" and we will continue to fight that battle for years. Continuining to play a team that we played every year in FCS to the casual fan in SC will just solidify in their minds that we "never moved up."

So it's funny that you posted something to try and tear apart my stance, but you instead just proved my point further. Thank you.

And just for the record, I've also posted on here many times that it wouldn't be good for Liberty if they scheduled us for the same exact reasons it would be bad for us.

The reason Troy shouldn't be scheduling a H/H with them with no money involved are different than Coastal's. Troy is an established program that should consider themselves above that unless they got paid a boat load. Which maybe they did. I HOPE they did. I really do.

Why would Troy be above it if BYU wasn't. I'm mean come on, they've done much better in the few months of scheduling than CCU has in the past year and change. H/H with BYU and 2/1's with two ACC schools is a much better deal than a 2/1 with Kansas. Just saying

You're joking, right? Do I need to point out the obvious to you?

Coastal is a public school that is basically working on 0 budget from the state. Liberty is run like a business with a fuel supply of online shell degrees.

Do you really think that comparing what Coastal's AD has done with limited resources at a public university to what an AD at a private school with limitless money to write blank checks is a fair comparison?

Why do you think super old rich guys marry women half their age? It's easy to buy games. Which is what I've said all along and will continue to say. If Troy got a big fat check for this, then it's all good. It's only a bad move if they got no money for it.

If you toned down some of the high and mighty rhetoric your posts would be more valid. Professing to posters here that they finally get your point and understand your positions sounds more like a man on an island rather than a full endorsement of one's beliefs.

Thank you for your advice. I'll take that to heart, I promise.

(05-15-2017 03:42 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:00 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 02:01 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 01:59 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  And what I am saying is you are basing this off of assumptions. There has been nothing saying they've paid for games.

They've almost certainly had to have opened their wallets to make some of these games happen.

They absolutely did. It's common sense.

I've said it from the beginning. They'll get games but they'll pay dearly for them. But they have a lot of money so they don't mind. So it works for them.

Confirmed.

ODU is getting 1.32 million to make the 4 hour trip.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...7aae1.html

It's funny because that NewTimes Liberty fan a couple months back was rambling on and on about how I had no idea what I was talking about.

But alas!!!! EXACTLY what I predicted is happening.

Congrats on the big check. You have a smart admin that leveraged their desperation against them. That's good business right there.

Grasshopper, take a break and breath. Coming out with a blanket statement dishing posters here will only lead downhill. Rise up, take time to type your thoughts. They'll be more truthful and you'll gain more credence than attempting to bury others because they don't agree with your world view.

(05-15-2017 04:02 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:00 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:55 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:43 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 07:43 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  As I've said in other threads, for the EXACT reason you just posted, Coastal should not play them.

Coastal is fighting a perception battle in the state of SC as "still being FCS" and we will continue to fight that battle for years. Continuining to play a team that we played every year in FCS to the casual fan in SC will just solidify in their minds that we "never moved up."

So it's funny that you posted something to try and tear apart my stance, but you instead just proved my point further. Thank you.

And just for the record, I've also posted on here many times that it wouldn't be good for Liberty if they scheduled us for the same exact reasons it would be bad for us.

The reason Troy shouldn't be scheduling a H/H with them with no money involved are different than Coastal's. Troy is an established program that should consider themselves above that unless they got paid a boat load. Which maybe they did. I HOPE they did. I really do.

Why would Troy be above it if BYU wasn't. I'm mean come on, they've done much better in the few months of scheduling than CCU has in the past year and change. H/H with BYU and 2/1's with two ACC schools is a much better deal than a 2/1 with Kansas. Just saying

You're joking, right? Do I need to point out the obvious to you?

Coastal is a public school that is basically working on 0 budget from the state. Liberty is run like a business with a fuel supply of online shell degrees.

Do you really think that comparing what Coastal's AD has done with limited resources at a public university to what an AD at a private school with limitless money to write blank checks is a fair comparison?

Why do you think super old rich guys marry women half their age? It's easy to buy games. Which is what I've said all along and will continue to say. If Troy got a big fat check for this, then it's all good. It's only a bad move if they got no money for it.

If you toned down some of the high and mighty rhetoric your posts would be more valid. Professing to posters here that they finally get your point and understand your positions sounds more like a man on an island rather than a full endorsement of one's beliefs.

Thank you for your advice. I'll take that to heart, I promise.

I hope you will and I can appreciate your passion for your team.

LIBERTY is throwing money around like a drunken sailor.They will eventually (soon) BUY their way into some G5 conference.

(05-15-2017 04:07 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  LIBERTY is throwing money around like a drunken sailor.

As long as it doesn't lead to dancing.

(05-15-2017 04:06 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:42 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:00 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 02:01 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  They've almost certainly had to have opened their wallets to make some of these games happen.

They absolutely did. It's common sense.

I've said it from the beginning. They'll get games but they'll pay dearly for them. But they have a lot of money so they don't mind. So it works for them.

Confirmed.

ODU is getting 1.32 million to make the 4 hour trip.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...7aae1.html

It's funny because that NewTimes Liberty fan a couple months back was rambling on and on about how I had no idea what I was talking about.

But alas!!!! EXACTLY what I predicted is happening.

Congrats on the big check. You have a smart admin that leveraged their desperation against them. That's good business right there.

Grasshopper, take a break and breath. Coming out with a blanket statement dishing posters here will only lead downhill. Rise up, take time to type your thoughts. They'll be more truthful and you'll gain my credence than attempting to bury others because they don't agree with your world view.

I'm only burying you. In fact I called you out by name. My post was very specifically directed at you. Not sure how that is a "blanket" statement.

But I guess when you get proven wrong, there isn't much you can say.

(05-15-2017 04:09 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:06 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:42 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:00 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  They absolutely did. It's common sense.

I've said it from the beginning. They'll get games but they'll pay dearly for them. But they have a lot of money so they don't mind. So it works for them.

Confirmed.

ODU is getting 1.32 million to make the 4 hour trip.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...7aae1.html

It's funny because that NewTimes Liberty fan a couple months back was rambling on and on about how I had no idea what I was talking about.

But alas!!!! EXACTLY what I predicted is happening.

Congrats on the big check. You have a smart admin that leveraged their desperation against them. That's good business right there.

Grasshopper, take a break and breath. Coming out with a blanket statement dishing posters here will only lead downhill. Rise up, take time to type your thoughts. They'll be more truthful and you'll gain my credence than attempting to bury others because they don't agree with your world view.

I'm only burying you. In fact I called you out by name. My post was very specifically directed at you. Not sure how that is a "blanket" statement.

But I guess when you get proven wrong, there isn't much you can say.

The youthful exuberance in which you posts, and the "I'm only burying you" comment, will be read my posters here. A few will give you support. Most will read it and wonder and realize it's the intent and maturity level. It's great that you are passionate about your team. But your inability to remain civil and to have your rhetoric escalate to senseless "bury you" comments clearly displays to posters your position, maturity and development in life. And may the light bulb of wisdom come you way sooner than later.

(05-15-2017 04:17 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:09 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:06 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:42 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 03:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Confirmed.

ODU is getting 1.32 million to make the 4 hour trip.

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...7aae1.html

It's funny because that NewTimes Liberty fan a couple months back was rambling on and on about how I had no idea what I was talking about.

But alas!!!! EXACTLY what I predicted is happening.

Congrats on the big check. You have a smart admin that leveraged their desperation against them. That's good business right there.

Grasshopper, take a break and breath. Coming out with a blanket statement dishing posters here will only lead downhill. Rise up, take time to type your thoughts. They'll be more truthful and you'll gain my credence than attempting to bury others because they don't agree with your world view.

I'm only burying you. In fact I called you out by name. My post was very specifically directed at you. Not sure how that is a "blanket" statement.

But I guess when you get proven wrong, there isn't much you can say.

The youthful exuberance in which you posts, and the "I'm only burying you" comment, will be read my posters here. A few will give you support. Most will read it and wonder and realize it's the intent and maturity level. It's great that you are passionate about your team. But your inability to remain civil and to have your rhetoric escalate to senseless "bury you" comments clearly displays to posters your position, maturity and development in life. And may the light bulb of wisdom come you way sooner than later.

You do realize I used the word "bury" just because you used it right?

The Liberty fan site is saying that the Troy game is part of a home and home. That was from a Q and A with the AD. The ODU game was essentially a money game. So do y'all think Troy is going to get paid as well even though it is going to be a h&h?

Liberty wants ODU to become a rival and wanted them to be the the first home game. They paid to make it happen. I doubt many other G5s will get that offer.

(05-15-2017 04:08 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:07 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  LIBERTY is throwing money around like a drunken sailor.

As long as it doesn't lead to dancing.

They'll need some alcohol free grog too.

Guys...calm down. Some thoughts:

1. CCU moved up...SBC. Great fit, good for them. All love here.
2. LU moved up...Indy. Now that we think about it and see our schedule - we like it. We like it better than what a SBC schedule would deliver.
3. Win / Win for everyone involved.
4. Ladies...no fighting, no fightin...Shakira Shakira
5. Desperate - yes, sure. So what? We had a bit more than a year to throw together a 2018 schedule from nothing. The two games a year against NMSU in 2018/2019 are flective of this. It is what it is. Not ideal...but give us some slack. Four FBS home games in year 1 is a huge accomplishment.

Carry on

(05-16-2017 09:32 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Guys...calm down. Some thoughts:

1. CCU moved up...SBC. Great fit, good for them. All love here.
2. LU moved up...Indy. Now that we think about it and see our schedule - we like it. We like it better than what a SBC schedule would deliver.
3. Win / Win for everyone involved.
4. Ladies...no fighting, no fightin...Shakira Shakira
5. Desperate - yes, sure. So what? We had a bit more than a year to throw together a 2018 schedule from nothing. The two games a year against NMSU in 2018/2019 are flective of this. It is what it is. Not ideal...but give us some slack. Four FBS home games in year 1 is a huge accomplishment.

Carry on

Your 2017 and 2018 schedules don't look better than most Sun Belt schedules.