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RE: Is a remodeled Dayton Arena a prerequisite for a Big East bid
(05-12-2017 03:09 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Can't help but think there's a sleeper down there in Davidson. It's just a shame their arena isn't BE-like. Same goes for Richmond.

The A10 will continue to enjoy success where it is while someone like the Big East over-thinks basketball operations and finds value in a "legacy program" that needed to buy a big coach to make them relevant again...then couldn't sustain it after he left the program. But, let the Big East figure that out about SLU. That they don't want to keep up big spending there to remain a visible, relevant program. That they think a few years of adequacy should keep them close, then get somewhere and rot on the vine/under-perform. They should know that by now with DePaul, but, this is the same conference that keeps asking Boston College to come back, too...and they may be the P5's biggest mooch.

Umm...what?
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RE: Is a remodeled Dayton Arena a prerequisite for a Big East bid
(05-12-2017 03:11 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 03:09 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Can't help but think there's a sleeper down there in Davidson. It's just a shame their arena isn't BE-like. Same goes for Richmond.

The A10 will continue to enjoy success where it is while someone like the Big East over-thinks basketball operations and finds value in a "legacy program" that needed to buy a big coach to make them relevant again...then couldn't sustain it after he left the program. But, let the Big East figure that out about SLU. That they don't want to keep up big spending there to remain a visible, relevant program. That they think a few years of adequacy should keep them close, then get somewhere and rot on the vine/under-perform. They should know that by now with DePaul, but, this is the same conference that keeps asking Boston College to come back, too...and they may be the P5's biggest mooch.

Umm...what?

That the Big East has kept BC on speed dial when it has wanted to expand almost as much as it would with Penn State, Army, and Navy...and that when the C7 split, it approached BC?

Didn't know that was news...
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RE: Is a remodeled Dayton Arena a prerequisite for a Big East bid
I hadn't heard that the C7 gauged BC's interest.
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RE: Is a remodeled Dayton Arena a prerequisite for a Big East bid
Villanova steadfastly blocked Temple basketball from the Old Big East. Crosstown in Philly of course is different from Cincinnati/Dayton but the two metros are soon to merge as the cities grow toward one another much as Dallas and Fort Worth did. So that raises the question: would X want UD in the same conference in the same market area? I say no.
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RE: Is a remodeled Dayton Arena a prerequisite for a Big East bid
The new conference media contract model is no longer going to be built on market size, it's about the popularity of individual programs. The Big East will eventually see this and go to 12, With Dayton being part of the deal.

I know a lot of people hold the double round robin schedule as sacred but with 12 teams and 18 games you only miss 4 teams a second time--bump that up to 20 games and that number gets cut to 2.
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RE: Is a remodeled Dayton Arena a prerequisite for a Big East bid
(05-12-2017 03:19 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 03:11 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 03:09 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Can't help but think there's a sleeper down there in Davidson. It's just a shame their arena isn't BE-like. Same goes for Richmond.

The A10 will continue to enjoy success where it is while someone like the Big East over-thinks basketball operations and finds value in a "legacy program" that needed to buy a big coach to make them relevant again...then couldn't sustain it after he left the program. But, let the Big East figure that out about SLU. That they don't want to keep up big spending there to remain a visible, relevant program. That they think a few years of adequacy should keep them close, then get somewhere and rot on the vine/under-perform. They should know that by now with DePaul, but, this is the same conference that keeps asking Boston College to come back, too...and they may be the P5's biggest mooch.

Umm...what?

That the Big East has kept BC on speed dial when it has wanted to expand almost as much as it would with Penn State, Army, and Navy...and that when the C7 split, it approached BC?

Didn't know that was news...

what are you talking about? The FB schools without Syracuse, pitt, rutgers, Louisville and non fb ND approached BC to come back to a conference without the c7? I don't think so. if you have a link please provide I would like to read about it
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RE: Is a remodeled Dayton Arena a prerequisite for a Big East bid
(05-12-2017 03:51 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  Villanova steadfastly blocked Temple basketball from the Old Big East. Crosstown in Philly of course is different from Cincinnati/Dayton but the two metros are soon to merge as the cities grow toward one another much as Dallas and Fort Worth did. So that raises the question: would X want UD in the same conference in the same market area? I say no.

If a Dayton inclusion into the Big East were to increase the amount of $$$ and exposure that Xavier were to receive, I don't think they'd have a problem with it. They have shared a conference with Dayton for nearly 15 years, including playing each other 158 times since 1920. Adding Dayton (and Saint Louis - once they have rebuilt the program under Ford) would add more content for the Big East to broadcast, in addition a program that consistently gets 13k at its home games and one of the strongest fan bases in the nation (not to mention a valuable TV market in Saint Louis).
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(05-12-2017 08:31 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  what are you talking about? The FB schools without Syracuse, pitt, rutgers, Louisville and non fb ND approached BC to come back to a conference without the c7? I don't think so. if you have a link please provide I would like to read about it

No, not the AAC from anything I've read.

There were a couple of items that popped up in late 2013 or 2014, iirc, about Big East doings before the peel-offs. BC was in a list that included Penn State, Army, and Navy approached around the time TCU was (I think before them, actually).

We might have forgotten, but while even Pittsburgh and Syracuse would announce their departures not long after TCU took the offer, that whole Big XII collapse thing happened after those announced splits, with the PAC-16 and Big Ten grab all up in the air, and "Meatball" publicly told all of the Big XII schools they had a home in the Big East. West Virginia's AD would additionally add that a bunch of the B12 schools were ready to do that; I think Kansas State's AD saying they were all waiting for the cue from the others to collectively call the Big East offices.

Seems so long ago, such chaos.

The C7 thing isn't as old, but, apparently, BC got a buzz again during the early stages of the split. I've read it as due diligence; that BC was asked just in case they would say yes; the C7 wanted to resume their relationship. I think certain ADs who spoke on the matter further added about candidates needing all the approval, and BC checking all of the boxes from everyone, and stuff like that. More than anything, it was just that the new conference still wasn't over BC leaving, like it could have gotten them back...rather odd.
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RE: Is a remodeled Dayton Arena a prerequisite for a Big East bid
(05-15-2017 03:09 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 08:31 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  what are you talking about? The FB schools without Syracuse, pitt, rutgers, Louisville and non fb ND approached BC to come back to a conference without the c7? I don't think so. if you have a link please provide I would like to read about it

No, not the AAC from anything I've read.

There were a couple of items that popped up in late 2013 or 2014, iirc, about Big East doings before the peel-offs. BC was in a list that included Penn State, Army, and Navy approached around the time TCU was (I think before them, actually).

We might have forgotten, but while even Pittsburgh and Syracuse would announce their departures not long after TCU took the offer, that whole Big XII collapse thing happened after those announced splits, with the PAC-16 and Big Ten grab all up in the air, and "Meatball" publicly told all of the Big XII schools they had a home in the Big East. West Virginia's AD would additionally add that a bunch of the B12 schools were ready to do that; I think Kansas State's AD saying they were all waiting for the cue from the others to collectively call the Big East offices.

Seems so long ago, such chaos.

The C7 thing isn't as old, but, apparently, BC got a buzz again during the early stages of the split. I've read it as due diligence; that BC was asked just in case they would say yes; the C7 wanted to resume their relationship. I think certain ADs who spoke on the matter further added about candidates needing all the approval, and BC checking all of the boxes from everyone, and stuff like that. More than anything, it was just that the new conference still wasn't over BC leaving, like it could have gotten them back...rather odd.

Link?
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RE: Is a remodeled Dayton Arena a prerequisite for a Big East bid
(05-12-2017 10:48 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 10:28 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
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(05-12-2017 08:01 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 07:53 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  Same thing with Gonzaga...both are great programs that suffer from their location.

Correct, albeit for different reasons. Dayton overlaps with Xavier's market. (I know that Dayton has a separate TV market, but they are so close geographically that they're looked at as an overlap in practicality.) Gonzaga is at the opposite end of the spectrum where they're so incredibly far outside of the geographic footprint of the Big East that it's not really reasonable outside of message board land.

The crazy thing is Dayton (UC for that matter) has a bigger fan base than XU. The Flyers average about 2K more a home game and travels like a blue blood basketball school.

No, Dayton doesn't travel like UNC, KU or UK.

True. But they do travel as well as UCLA or UConn.

Better than UCLA. They get the benifit of locals putting on t-shirts for tv. That's not a traveling fan, that's a t-shirt fan. An example: Iowa fans travel. Miami fans don't. But people used to love wearing those Miami t-shirts....
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