(05-15-2017 12:55 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  I had no idea you had examined the transcripts and test scores for all these folks. My apologies.

Also you never responded to my question about why 7th place finishes are acceptable in Track but not football or baseball.

Sure, football doesn't recruit from East Africa but if you look at our roster, we essentially can't recruit from a number of powerhouses due to academics. For example, nobody on Rice's roster currently from West Orange Stark, Desoto, the Alief schools, etc.

(05-15-2017 01:47 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:55 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  I had no idea you had examined the transcripts and test scores for all these folks. My apologies.

Also you never responded to my question about why 7th place finishes are acceptable in Track but not football or baseball.

I never said I had a problem with those finishes.

(05-15-2017 01:32 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:55 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  I had no idea you had examined the transcripts and test scores for all these folks. My apologies.

And on what basis do you divine that his objection is purely racial?

Where did I say it was racial?

I'm just tired of hearing fans ***** about "Africans" in NCAA athletics, while they worship their own darling foreign athletes (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, wherever else)

If they meet NCAA eligibility standards, who cares where they are from?

It's Rice's in-house problem that admissions standards are much higher. Don't like it? Quit competing in the NCAA.

(05-15-2017 02:01 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 01:32 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 12:55 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  I had no idea you had examined the transcripts and test scores for all these folks. My apologies.

And on what basis do you divine that his objection is purely racial?

Where did I say it was racial?

I'm just tired of hearing fans ***** about "Africans" in NCAA athletics, while they worship their own darling foreign athletes (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, wherever else)

If they meet NCAA eligibility standards, who cares where they are from?

It's Rice's in-house problem that admissions standards are much higher. Don't like it? Quit competing in the NCAA.

I get why there is a difference in comparing native English speaking foreign athletes with non-native English speaking athletes. One will have no trouble passing language proficiency exams that are required, while the other might.

A more apt comparison would be say, complaining that the same standard was not applied to Chinese, Spanish, Peruvian, etc. athletes.

I too understand your frustration about the complaining because it is just a crutch, much like when we discuss general admission standards with regards to how it affects the quality of our football teams.

I keep hearing there for track there is a scholarship limitation and that is why we cannot recruit speed guys because lack of scholarships. Is this true? If so, why other universities have no problem with this issue?

(05-15-2017 01:08 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Another problem, Rice always sux in relays which brings in a large number of points. We have to win the 4x100, 4x200, and or 4x400 relays sometimes.

Or at least field a team....

(05-15-2017 04:35 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  I keep hearing there for track there is a scholarship limitation and that is why we cannot recruit speed guys because lack of scholarships. Is this true? If so, why other universities have no problem with this issue?

Historically the teams that don't field full scholarship teams decide to concentrate on a part of the team that they can recruit best in or perhaps give the best coaching. Some teams pretty much are all sprinters. Some mostly distance. And some just concentrate on some of the field events. We probably are the latter two on the women's side and mostly the field events on the men's side.

In the NCAA division 1, the men can have up to 12 total scholarships and the women up to 18. We used to be full scholarships in both but I believe I recall we lowered the number of men's scholarships we offer now? Those totals are also utilized to field a cross country team I believe.

Also..a miler can help you indoor, outdoor and cross-country. Not too many sprinters like to run cross-country...

The NCAA scholarship limit is 18 for women and 12.6 for men. Rice does not have fewer. An outdoor conference championship meet has 21 events. To recruit a 4 x 100 team, you really need 6 sprinters for depth. To get the kind that can compete in this conference, you'd need great ones, who likely will need full scholarships. So, you've covered the 100, 200 and 4 x 100, and now have 6.6 scholarships for 18 events. That would be a stupid plan.

In this league, or any league, you've got to find your niche, and avoid going head-to-head against someone else's strength. UTSA has chosen to go big (pun intended) in the throws; Rice has concentrated on multis because they can also get points in individual events. In this meet, some injuries prevented our guys from being at full strength in the individual events.

Texas A&M's men's team will compete for an NCAA title, but it wasn't their great sprinting that clinched their SEC title last weekend: it was their pole vaulters.

(05-15-2017 01:08 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Another problem, Rice always sux in relays which brings in a large number of points. We have to win the 4x100, 4x200, and or 4x400 relays sometimes.

This isn't Texas high school - no 4 x 200 and no "double points" for relays. As noted in my comments, above, Rice would be wasting resources to concentrate on sprints, and outright stupid to focus on relays. Our coaches are not stupid.

Sorry don't know why I thought we weren't at the 12.6 total on the men's side. It's not easy but some teams can win conference titles by mostly concentrating on sprinters. Western Kentucky got almost 100 points this past weekend on 1 lap races or shorter (including a 1-4 finish in the men's 200). I agree that it's pointless to focus on relays on the men's side.

BTW a track and field recruit of note locally here, Brittni Emanuel (Bert's 3rd oldest daughter and the Ridge Point homecoming queen) signed with North Texas. His youngest is a boy - still in middle school.