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Is Baylor actually helping the Big12 stay together?
The Big 12 as we know it is gonna stay together at least until the GOR expires. It would be a shocker if any school forfeited all that revenue to move on somewhere else.

So really the only option right now would be to dissolve the conference which would need 8 votes. To get those votes, obviously 8 schools would have to have new homes to agree to it or a guaranteed amount of revenue that I would assume would have to be beyond their current contracts (good luck with that).

I'm not going to get on the subject of who could go where but at this point I don't think any conference would touch Baylor under their current turmoil just on PR reasons alone.

So my question is do you think the schools in the Big 12 possibly could fear Baylor accusing them of collusion if they all agreed to backroom deals to find a home for everyone and they were left out?

I do think in a couple of years this won't be as much of an issue but just want to hear all of your opinions.
05-10-2017 05:28 AM
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I think there is a real possibility that Baylor will be kicked out of the Big12 soon.
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(05-10-2017 06:07 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I think there is a real possibility that Baylor will be kicked out of the Big12 soon.
Why? They're solid in the three high-profile sports. Is it because of their history of terrible conduct? They're basically in the successor to the SWC, and Texas schools have had a win-at-all-costs culture to them since before the Big 12 even existed.
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RE: Is Baylor actually helping the Big12 stay together?
Yes, but for a different reason.

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Regarding Texas A&M's move to the SEC

Quote:Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State would not waive the right to litigation, the source said.
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RE: Is Baylor actually helping the Big12 stay together?
(05-10-2017 05:28 AM)StinkyDuck Wrote:  The Big 12 as we know it is gonna stay together at least until the GOR expires. It would be a shocker if any school forfeited all that revenue to move on somewhere else.

So really the only option right now would be to dissolve the conference which would need 8 votes. To get those votes, obviously 8 schools would have to have new homes to agree to it or a guaranteed amount of revenue that I would assume would have to be beyond their current contracts (good luck with that).

I'm not going to get on the subject of who could go where but at this point I don't think any conference would touch Baylor under their current turmoil just on PR reasons alone.

So my question is do you think the schools in the Big 12 possibly could fear Baylor accusing them of collusion if they all agreed to backroom deals to find a home for everyone and they were left out?

I do think in a couple of years this won't be as much of an issue but just want to hear all of your opinions.

No, they are not holding it together. In fact if they were expelled it could affect their ability to have a championship game (approved for 10 not 9) and it devalues the current contract which could lead to other ramifications. It would however only require 7 for dissolution should Baylor get the boot. And I don't think they add Houston or B.Y.U.. Why? They would have a couple of years to replace Baylor, at least that's the way dropping below conference minimums works with the NCAA.

If Texas left and required Tech to be taken and if OU left and required OSU to be taken, and should Kansas and West Virginia (which are both relatively likely to be taken) are taken, then only Iowa State need find a home for dissolution to occur. And don't forget that T.C.U. plays in Ft.Worth and DFW is a whopper of a market.

So 7 is much more doable, especially if you have 2 years to work out the details. And with Amazon and Hulu lurking on the horizon in 2023 to compete for this inventory it would behoove FOX and ESPN to place those schools, renegotiate conference payouts, and use that as an excuse for contract extensions that would bypass interference from those future competitors for say 4 to 6 more years. If 6 then you are looking at 2030 and by then FOX and ESPN might be in a better position to handle the changes.

The Big 12 would do it if they got everybody placed, could still do it at 7, and the other conferences would do it for a bump in pay, and the networks would do it to avoid a bidding war in 2022.
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RE: Is Baylor actually helping the Big12 stay together?
(05-11-2017 08:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 05:28 AM)StinkyDuck Wrote:  The Big 12 as we know it is gonna stay together at least until the GOR expires. It would be a shocker if any school forfeited all that revenue to move on somewhere else.

So really the only option right now would be to dissolve the conference which would need 8 votes. To get those votes, obviously 8 schools would have to have new homes to agree to it or a guaranteed amount of revenue that I would assume would have to be beyond their current contracts (good luck with that).

I'm not going to get on the subject of who could go where but at this point I don't think any conference would touch Baylor under their current turmoil just on PR reasons alone.

So my question is do you think the schools in the Big 12 possibly could fear Baylor accusing them of collusion if they all agreed to backroom deals to find a home for everyone and they were left out?

I do think in a couple of years this won't be as much of an issue but just want to hear all of your opinions.

No, they are not holding it together. In fact if they were expelled it could affect their ability to have a championship game (approved for 10 not 9) and it devalues the current contract which could lead to other ramifications. It would however only require 7 for dissolution should Baylor get the boot. And I don't think they add Houston or B.Y.U.. Why? They would have a couple of years to replace Baylor, at least that's the way dropping below conference minimums works with the NCAA.

If Texas left and required Tech to be taken and if OU left and required OSU to be taken, and should Kansas and West Virginia (which are both relatively likely to be taken) are taken, then only Iowa State need find a home for dissolution to occur. And don't forget that T.C.U. plays in Ft.Worth and DFW is a whopper of a market.

So 7 is much more doable, especially if you have 2 years to work out the details. And with Amazon and Hulu lurking on the horizon in 2023 to compete for this inventory it would behoove FOX and ESPN to place those schools, renegotiate conference payouts, and use that as an excuse for contract extensions that would bypass interference from those future competitors for say 4 to 6 more years. If 6 then you are looking at 2030 and by then FOX and ESPN might be in a better position to handle the changes.

The Big 12 would do it if they got everybody placed, could still do it at 7, and the other conferences would do it for a bump in pay, and the networks would do it to avoid a bidding war in 2022.

I struggle to find a scenario that finds a P5 home for 7 Big 12 schools, much less 8. One would almost have to include the PAC participating, which I believe to be unlikely. IMO, the only way the PAC takes some is if UT and/or Oklahoma is included (probably both) and that makes it less likely that others could find a home in either the B1G or the SEC.
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RE: Is Baylor actually helping the Big12 stay together?
(05-12-2017 10:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  I struggle to find a scenario that finds a P5 home for 7 Big 12 schools, much less 8. One would almost have to include the PAC participating, which I believe to be unlikely. IMO, the only way the PAC takes some is if UT and/or Oklahoma is included (probably both) and that makes it less likely that others could find a home in either the B1G or the SEC.

I agree that it would be a struggle but I think it is possible even without the PAC. The ones I believe will find a power conference home easily outside the XII are Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas. I think West Virginia, Oklahoma St, Iowa St, and Texas Tech are likely. TCU is a maybe. Kansas St is a stretch. Baylor is out.

I think some G5 schools are more likely than Kansas St and Baylor like Connecticut, Cincinnati, and Houston. I see this:

PAC adds TCU & Houston

North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, Utah
South: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, TCU, Houston

B1G adds Kansas & Connecticut

West: Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue
East: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, Connecticut

ACC adds West Virginia & Cincinnati (retains Notre Dame on current deal)

Atlantic: Boston College, Cincinnati, Clemson, Florida St, Louisville, North Carolina St, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Coastal: Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

SEC adds Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, & Oklahoma St...considers and ultimately includes Kansas St & Iowa St to encroach B1G territory

Midwest: Iowa St, Kansas St, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St
Southwest: Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Arkansas, LSU
Central: Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn, Vanderbilt
East: Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida

Down the road I think there are mergers of sorts with the B1G-PAC and SEC-ACC.
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(05-11-2017 05:31 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 06:07 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I think there is a real possibility that Baylor will be kicked out of the Big12 soon.
Why? They're solid in the three high-profile sports. Is it because of their history of terrible conduct? They're basically in the successor to the SWC, and Texas schools have had a win-at-all-costs culture to them since before the Big 12 even existed.

I know what you mean about win-at-all-cost, but this is rape, lies and cover-up. This is serious stuff here. The best thing Baylor can do is to take responsibility, support the victims, make restitution to the victims and fire EVERYBODY associated in the wrong and then hope time makes folks not remember. This IS a Baptist institution. I'm a Baylor fan, and Baylor bending over backward to make this right will go a long way, a much longer way than what they do on the field, court or diamond.
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RE: Is Baylor actually helping the Big12 stay together?
(05-12-2017 10:08 PM)Trevor Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 05:31 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(05-10-2017 06:07 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I think there is a real possibility that Baylor will be kicked out of the Big12 soon.
Why? They're solid in the three high-profile sports. Is it because of their history of terrible conduct? They're basically in the successor to the SWC, and Texas schools have had a win-at-all-costs culture to them since before the Big 12 even existed.

I know what you mean about win-at-all-cost, but this is rape, lies and cover-up. This is serious stuff here. The best thing Baylor can do is to take responsibility, support the victims, make restitution to the victims and fire EVERYBODY associated in the wrong and then hope time makes folks not remember. This IS a Baptist institution. I'm a Baylor fan, and Baylor bending over backward to make this right will go a long way, a much longer way than what they do on the field, court or diamond.

It is their only step if they are to recover their reputation and witness.
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RE: Is Baylor actually helping the Big12 stay together?
Here is a scenario that gets enough Big 12 schools landing spots to dissolve.

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, & Oklahoma St to the Pac 12.

The Big Ten sees Kansas as an asset but doesn't find anyone else in the Big 12 suitable so the pry Missouri from the SEC using their academic appeal which still means a lot among university presidents.

The SEC takes the opportunity to reach in to Texas for more fertile recruiting and adds TCU, Baylor, and backfills with WVU to cover For losing Missouri.

The ACC breathes a sigh of relief as their GOR held tight.

Iowa St and Kansas St recieved offers from both the AAC and MWC but ultimately choose the AAC.
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