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RE: Berry Tramel: Would the Big Ten welcome OU?
(05-09-2017 01:47 PM)AntiG Wrote:  There are no more "natural fits" for expansion with the original Big Ten. The Great Lakes region only has a handful of strong academic institutions that play FBS level football - Buffalo (not happening, no interest from the conference), Notre Dame (been rejecting the Big Ten for decades due to desire to be independent), Cincinnati (not happening, no interest from the conference), Pittsburgh (not happening, no interest from the conference, plus GOR with ACC).

When Penn State first joined, they had to sell it as well because they were not a natural fit for the midwest.

In the end the conference will only expand with worthwhile candidates that fit most of the criteria - strong academics preferably AAU in research, big state university OR elite private university that plays FBS football, "franchise player" type of football program, top media region or state, within geographic range of the conference's current members.

Using that criteria and excluding the ACC, PAC and SEC since the most realistic candidates due to GORs (ACC) and overall conference success (SEC) would be the B12 and G5 conferences, these are the only broadly institutional fits for the conference and the strikes against them:

- Buffalo (poor football/athletics program, doesn't add strong tv market)
- Cincinnati (doesn't add anything geographically, not AAU)
- Connecticut (doesn't add anything geographically, poor football, not AAU)
- Iowa State (doesn't add anything geographically)
- Houston (nowhere close to reaching AAU status)
- Kansas (poor football, doesn't add strong tv market)
- Oklahoma (not AAU, doesn't add strong tv market but offset by being a football blueblood)
- Rice (not a strong football program)
- Texas (only issue is that their closest neighbor currently Nebraska)
- Texas Tech (nowhere close to reaching AAU status)
- Tulane (poor football, closest neighbor currently Nebraska)
- West Virginia (nowhere close to reaching AAU status, doesn't add strong tv market)

Out of that list, its pretty obvious who by far are the top candidates would be for the conference - the two bluebloods.

Kansas is a blue blood in BBall. If the B1G is interested in UNC they should also be interested in KU.
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RE: Berry Tramel: Would the Big Ten welcome OU?
(05-09-2017 12:29 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  http://newsok.com/berry-tramel-would-the...um=twitter

"OU in the Big Ten doesn't sound right.

Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan. Those are schools that have little in common with the Sooners. Culturally. Geographically. Historically. Frankly, outside Nebraska (an epic rivalry) and Iowa (Bob Stoops), there's little linking OU to the Big Ten.

But as I wrote the other day, if the Sooners ever leave the Big 12, the Big Ten would be the destination of choice."


His last sentence above pretty well sums it up.

Being an old Okie I can tell you most people in Oklahloma think of themselves as Midwesterners or Southwesterners, not Southerners.

There is very little difference in Oklahoma and Kansas, Nebraska and Missouri. Trammel mentions Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan. He fails to mention that if OU goes to the Big10 they will likely be in a division with Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa and quite possibly Texas and Missouri. All states they have had a long historic association with.
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RE: Berry Tramel: Would the Big Ten welcome OU?
I'd like to see Kansas end up in the SEC... Somebody's got to lose some conference FB games, so it might as well be a basketball blue blood.

Mizzou-Kansas rivlary... Kansas - Kentucky in basketball would be must-see TV.
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(05-09-2017 01:50 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Kansas is a blue blood in BBall. If the B1G is interested in UNC they should also be interested in KU.

Agree, but they would be a secondary choice, the prime targets amongst the schools available in 2025 are Texas and Oklahoma by far. I could certainly imagine that the B1G plans are to get Texas and Oklahoma, and then try to attempt for Notre Dame one more time, with Kansas as the last school in, and if the ND try fails again, they try for one of Missouri, Iowa State or Rice.
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RE: Berry Tramel: Would the Big Ten welcome OU?
(05-09-2017 01:50 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Kansas is a blue blood in BBall. If the B1G is interested in UNC they should also be interested in KU.

I have no idea whether the Big Ten has a serious interest in acquiring either of those schools, but if they were more interested in UNC than KU, this would be one major reason why:

Kansas population: 2.9 million
North Carolina population: 10.1 million
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(05-09-2017 02:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 01:50 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Kansas is a blue blood in BBall. If the B1G is interested in UNC they should also be interested in KU.

I have no idea whether the Big Ten has a serious interest in acquiring either of those schools, but if they were more interested in UNC than KU, this would be one major reason why:

Kansas population: 2.9 million
North Carolina population: 10.1 million

Agree - the B1G was pushing for UNC previously because they wanted to go up and down the coast. They were looking into adding Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech and Florida State.
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(05-09-2017 02:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 01:50 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Kansas is a blue blood in BBall. If the B1G is interested in UNC they should also be interested in KU.

I have no idea whether the Big Ten has a serious interest in acquiring either of those schools, but if they were more interested in UNC than KU, this would be one major reason why:

Kansas population: 2.9 million
North Carolina population: 10.1 million

Gordon Gee (Ohio State's former president) said that if they had known how reallignment would shake out, they would have added Missouri and Kansas right after adding Nebraska.
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Wedge,

ACC GOR gets in the way of Oklahoma plus a North Carolina B1G addition (or for that matter Florida State or Georgia Tech or Duke). That gap between the ending of the B12 and the ACC GOR is 8 years, the length of an entire media package, whether digital or cable or whatever those things look like in 2025. Further that 8 years assumes the ACC doesn't restructure in their media alignment in anyway, extending the GOR another 5 or 10years further (which is likely).

Basically what I am saying is the Big 12 will be the only conference that other P5 conferences can find expansion targets
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(05-09-2017 01:32 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 01:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  At some point I have to wonder if the B1G is going to be satisfied being the weakest football conference in the P5 (at least in term of on-field performance). If they aren't, and believe their brand could suffer from that perception, academic snobbery might give way to practical reality. OU isn't as different as some B1G members might think.

Well they have to be the weakest first. The B1G doesn't make emotional decisions based on a year or two results.

They have been battling the ACC for that "honor" for a while now. The two were running neck and neck until the ACC's recent surge. I agree the B1G won't (and shouldn't) make a move based on short-term results. But if they don't reverse the trend within a few years, there will be pressure to add somebody strong, and there aren't many schools left that meet that description and also could be palatable to the B1G. After OU, the list is very short.
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(05-09-2017 01:58 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 01:50 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Kansas is a blue blood in BBall. If the B1G is interested in UNC they should also be interested in KU.

Agree, but they would be a secondary choice, the prime targets amongst the schools available in 2025 are Texas and Oklahoma by far. I could certainly imagine that the B1G plans are to get Texas and Oklahoma, and then try to attempt for Notre Dame one more time, with Kansas as the last school in, and if the ND try fails again, they try for one of Missouri, Iowa State or Rice.

Rice is never ever getting a B1G invite. No power conference is ever inviting Rice.
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