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What does Murray State do now?
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Hang themselves.
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Now that what?
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(05-09-2017 09:50 AM)ken d Wrote:  Now that what?

Murray has publicly announced no invite from the MVC is coming

Looks like the MVC are taking Valpo only.


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(05-09-2017 09:52 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 09:50 AM)ken d Wrote:  Now that what?

Murray has publicly announced no invite from the MVC is coming

Looks like the MVC are taking Valpo only.

Then I guess the answer to the OP question is nothing.
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Agreed. Maybe they should try to improve the OVC. Sounds like Chattanooga could be interested. That would benefit the league in both FB and BB.
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(05-09-2017 09:52 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 09:50 AM)ken d Wrote:  Now that what?

Murray has publicly announced no invite from the MVC is coming

Looks like the MVC are taking Valpo only.

Never mind.
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Bloom where you're planted.

The OVC is a good conference; but, can it be better? ... So, get on it.
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The Horizon League could certainly be an option, although it's arguable about whether it's actually a step up from the OVC.
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Horizon is going to need a team but they seemed to be focused on big Midwestern markets.
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(05-09-2017 09:42 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  What does Murray State do now?


Same thing that all the AAC teams that tried to get into the Big 12 did...
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Murray State is a Division II level public school in Kentucky that plays good D1 mid major basketball.

OVC is the right fit.
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(05-09-2017 10:41 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Horizon is going to need a team but they seemed to be focused on big Midwestern markets.

So, there was this piece about Robert Morris and where they saw themselves fitting no so long ago...

Valpo was said to be the runner-up for Loyola's spot. Robert Morris was close when NKU got the call. Chicago was a Valley target for some time, and NKU wasn't a stranger to the Horizon. There's something to being a runner-up...I don't think things have changed dramatically to shift the thought of RMU's chances when compared to FW or Indy. Those two lost a critic and roadblock to the Horizon, but it doesn't make Robert Morris any less liked in return.
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(05-09-2017 10:06 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Bloom where you're planted.

The OVC is a good conference; but, can it be better? ... So, get on it.

This. They're a good fit for the OVC. They need to own that conference on the court and do everything they can to improve it off the court.

The MVC would be a step up, but it's still going to be a one-bid league moving forward. Better to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond.
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(05-09-2017 10:40 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The Horizon League could certainly be an option, although it's arguable about whether it's actually a step up from the OVC.

The Horizon League is in a weird spot. The schools that would meet Jon LeCrone's criteria for expansion (well funded and supported, high average MBB RPI) to help the league "be in the conversation" for an at-large bid every other year are not likely to either be invited or to even apply for an invitation. I went through every even halfway realistic options (many are geographic challenges) and this is the list of schools who meet LeCrone's criteria:

New Mexico State, Stephen F. Austin, Murray State, Belmont, North Dakota State, South Dakota State

Those that are well funded but have not shown enough consistency

Denver, Liberty, Grand Canyon*, North Dakota* (the last two had strong RPI years last year, an anomaly or trend?)

You are into the complete sponge category for everyone else. Schools that lower RPI, are not funded or supported at a highe enough level in MBB. Some go into what I call "potential" list, where if the program performs and attendance improve you might consider them (UMKC, Omaha, longer shot IUPUI). This is why I think the Horizon does nothing for awhile -- that and the fact that they don't have to do anything.

Murray State just stays put and tries to win the OVC and wait for something better to come along.
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(05-09-2017 12:05 PM)johnintx Wrote:  The MVC would be a step up, but it's still going to be a one-bid league moving forward. Better to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond.

Considering there's some who feel Belmont's sitting on a SoCon invite, despite there being interest and even turning down a campus visit from the Valley, there's truth to this perhaps in some places.
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(05-09-2017 12:07 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 10:40 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The Horizon League could certainly be an option, although it's arguable about whether it's actually a step up from the OVC.

The Horizon League is in a weird spot. The schools that would meet Jon LeCrone's criteria for expansion (well funded and supported, high average MBB RPI) to help the league "be in the conversation" for an at-large bid every other year are not likely to either be invited or to even apply for an invitation. I went through every even halfway realistic options (many are geographic challenges) and this is the list of schools who meet LeCrone's criteria:

New Mexico State, Stephen F. Austin, Murray State, Belmont, North Dakota State, South Dakota State

Those that are well funded but have not shown enough consistency

Denver, Liberty, Grand Canyon*, North Dakota* (the last two had strong RPI years last year, an anomaly or trend?)

You are into the complete sponge category for everyone else. Schools that lower RPI, are not funded or supported at a highe enough level in MBB. Some go into what I call "potential" list, where if the program performs and attendance improve you might consider them (UMKC, Omaha, longer shot IUPUI). This is why I think the Horizon does nothing for awhile -- that and the fact that they don't have to do anything.

Murray State just stays put and tries to win the OVC and wait for something better to come along.

NMSU would probably take a Horizon bid. Denver might be convinced too.
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(05-09-2017 12:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 12:07 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 10:40 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The Horizon League could certainly be an option, although it's arguable about whether it's actually a step up from the OVC.

The Horizon League is in a weird spot. The schools that would meet Jon LeCrone's criteria for expansion (well funded and supported, high average MBB RPI) to help the league "be in the conversation" for an at-large bid every other year are not likely to either be invited or to even apply for an invitation. I went through every even halfway realistic options (many are geographic challenges) and this is the list of schools who meet LeCrone's criteria:

New Mexico State, Stephen F. Austin, Murray State, Belmont, North Dakota State, South Dakota State

Those that are well funded but have not shown enough consistency

Denver, Liberty, Grand Canyon*, North Dakota* (the last two had strong RPI years last year, an anomaly or trend?)

You are into the complete sponge category for everyone else. Schools that lower RPI, are not funded or supported at a highe enough level in MBB. Some go into what I call "potential" list, where if the program performs and attendance improve you might consider them (UMKC, Omaha, longer shot IUPUI). This is why I think the Horizon does nothing for awhile -- that and the fact that they don't have to do anything.

Murray State just stays put and tries to win the OVC and wait for something better to come along.

NMSU would probably take a Horizon bid. Denver might be convinced too.

I doubt that now. Horizon teams are a bit for off (even further) than the WAC for NMSU.
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New Mexico State is unlikely to accept an invite to any conference other than a full membership in a FBS conference in the next five or so years. This is simply because they would not want to go through a conference jump twice. Each move costs the school considerable money. Let us just say $2m for the sake of argument. If NMSU decides to leave the WAC and join the Horizon n 2018-19, they would sacrifice their distributions in 2017-18 from the league and pay some exit fee. They would also have to pay the Horizon some entry fee. Then they get an invite, say from CUSA in 2020-21 after some shakeup we don't see now as a replacement. So they would have to repeat the process.

Basketball conferences are well aware that NMSU is looking for an FBS conference, and would almost certainly have a clause in the contract that would stipulate a significant penalty for NMSU to leave in less than 5 years in the league. Why would any conference sign a school they think will jump in another year, pull a TCU to the Big East on then?

The WAC is more stable than when NMSU discussed possibilities with the Horizon 18 months ago. Cal Baptist is coming on, replacing the unstable Chicago State, while both CSU Bakersfield and Grand Canyon have developed into competitive programs to compete with. There is no need to risk $2m or more in a conference switch that may only be a for a couple years anyway.
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(05-09-2017 01:18 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  New Mexico State is unlikely to accept an invite to any conference other than a full membership in a FBS conference in the next five or so years. This is simply because they would not want to go through a conference jump twice. Each move costs the school considerable money. Let us just say $2m for the sake of argument. If NMSU decides to leave the WAC and join the Horizon n 2018-19, they would sacrifice their distributions in 2017-18 from the league and pay some exit fee. They would also have to pay the Horizon some entry fee. Then they get an invite, say from CUSA in 2020-21 after some shakeup we don't see now as a replacement. So they would have to repeat the process.

Basketball conferences are well aware that NMSU is looking for an FBS conference, and would almost certainly have a clause in the contract that would stipulate a significant penalty for NMSU to leave in less than 5 years in the league. Why would any conference sign a school they think will jump in another year, pull a TCU to the Big East on then?

The WAC is more stable than when NMSU discussed possibilities with the Horizon 18 months ago. Cal Baptist is coming on, replacing the unstable Chicago State, while both CSU Bakersfield and Grand Canyon have developed into competitive programs to compete with. There is no need to risk $2m or more in a conference switch that may only be a for a couple years anyway.

But unless something happens with the Big XII the probability of a spot opening for NMSU isn't good. So you wait five years nothing changes except you've spent five years in a league that no longer fits who you are as an athletic department even in basketball and the opportunity available today may not be available tomorrow.
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