FS1 will be hard pressed to close the gap because cable and satellite are losing customers and will be very resistant to raising prices.

(05-08-2017 10:14 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  FS1 will be hard pressed to close the gap because cable and satellite are losing customers and will be very resistant to raising prices.

Yep the game from here on out will be based on content vs content. Show the most desirable games to get the most desirable ad revenue.

(05-08-2017 08:50 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 04:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 04:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  Although, FS1 is positioned to close the gap, at least during college football season, with the other half of the top B1G, PAC, and B12 inventory.

Not really. ESPN gets every other choice of game in the Big 12 and PAC and they still bought some access to a few top Big 10 games. They only lose 1 SEC per week to CBS and the rest is theirs. They own 100% of the ACC and that includes Clemson and Florida State of course.

So they have over 93% of the top conference in the nation for football, 100% of the top conference in the nation for basketball. Half of the PAC and Big 12 product and a better than 30% slice of the Big 10.

FOX simply can't close that gap without going for full rights to the PAC and Big 10 in the future and then they will hold similar but slightly weaker products when it comes to valuations.

In other words, they ain't catching up anytime soon!

How do they own 100% of the ACC? Don't they still show ACC games locally ota?

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Raycom sublicenses games from ESPN and broadcasts them on a syndicated basis OTA as well as further sublicensing a package of games to Fox Sports Net. Those arrangements will end in 2019 in advance of the launch of the ACC linear network. It will be interesting to see whether ESPN continues to sublicense a smaller package of games to Raycom beginning in 2019-2020 such as the simulcast of the ACC tournament.

ESPN also sublicenses a package of regular season basketball games to CBS and locally sublicenses "Tier 3" basketball games shown nationally on ACC Network Extra to local OTA channels or cable systems. In New York State, Tier 3 Syracuse games have been carried by Time Warner Cable.

(05-08-2017 04:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 04:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  Although, FS1 is positioned to close the gap, at least during college football season, with the other half of the top B1G, PAC, and B12 inventory.

Not really. ESPN gets every other choice of game in the Big 12 and PAC and they still bought some access to a few top Big 10 games. They only lose 1 SEC per week to CBS and the rest is theirs. They own 100% of the ACC and that includes Clemson and Florida State of course.

So they have over 93% of the top conference in the nation for football, 100% of the top conference in the nation for basketball. Half of the PAC and Big 12 product and a better than 30% slice of the Big 10.

FOX simply can't close that gap without going for full rights to the PAC and Big 10 in the future and then they will hold similar but slightly weaker products when it comes to valuations.

In other words, they ain't catching up anytime soon!

For the Big Ten..... ESPN is way better positioned than you are giving credit for... ESPN will have the #1 choice in half of the weeks this year(and every year for 6 years). While yeah by % it's close to 30%- that 30% is in the top 60% of the product. Fox/FS1 also has that same 30%. Also remember of Fox/FS1's 30%, at least half of that will be on Big Fox. So FS1 will have more like 15%, while ESPN will be probably closer to 20-25%. A lot less difference between ABC and ESPN than there is between Fox and FS1.

This year(and odd years) they get 1st choice of Big 12 games.

Euck FSPN.

I posted this in a different thread but it applies here....
Austin Karp‏ @AustinKarp · May 1
Nielsen figures show ESPN actually gained 42,000 TV homes in May (compared to April). FS1 lost 80K. NBCSN gained 593K. ESPN2 lost 70K

So ESPN vs FS1 gained 122k viewers.

so using 7.21 per home for ESPN and 1.00 for FS1-
ESPN gained 303k
FS1 lost 80k

(05-08-2017 08:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 08:50 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 04:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 04:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  Although, FS1 is positioned to close the gap, at least during college football season, with the other half of the top B1G, PAC, and B12 inventory.

Not really. ESPN gets every other choice of game in the Big 12 and PAC and they still bought some access to a few top Big 10 games. They only lose 1 SEC per week to CBS and the rest is theirs. They own 100% of the ACC and that includes Clemson and Florida State of course.

So they have over 93% of the top conference in the nation for football, 100% of the top conference in the nation for basketball. Half of the PAC and Big 12 product and a better than 30% slice of the Big 10.

FOX simply can't close that gap without going for full rights to the PAC and Big 10 in the future and then they will hold similar but slightly weaker products when it comes to valuations.

In other words, they ain't catching up anytime soon!

How do they own 100% of the ACC? Don't they still show ACC games locally ota?

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The same way that ESPN owns 100% of the AAC even though some games are on another network (CBS-SN) They sub license the games they don't want for a fee. ESPN gets the money, not the conference.

derp, gotcha.

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(05-08-2017 04:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 04:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  Although, FS1 is positioned to close the gap, at least during college football season, with the other half of the top B1G, PAC, and B12 inventory.

Not really. ESPN gets every other choice of game in the Big 12 and PAC and they still bought some access to a few top Big 10 games. They only lose 1 SEC per week to CBS and the rest is theirs. They own 100% of the ACC and that includes Clemson and Florida State of course.

So they have over 93% of the top conference in the nation for football, 100% of the top conference in the nation for basketball. Half of the PAC and Big 12 product and a better than 30% slice of the Big 10.

FOX simply can't close that gap without going for full rights to the PAC and Big 10 in the future and then they will hold similar but slightly weaker products when it comes to valuations.

In other words, they ain't catching up anytime soon!

The B1G is a great addition for FS1, but the real difference for ESPN is having the NFL and NBA. ESPN has been able to juggle the timing of its bids for those television rights with its carriage deals with cable providers to make sure the money is there to pay the rights fees. Since the fees are already in place, ESPN can bid with pretty high certainty that the revenue will be available. It would be a challenge for FS1 to bid against ESPN for those rights without assurance from cable systems that they would pick up the increased cost. FS1 might actually be better off bidding against NBC for the SNF package.

(05-09-2017 08:55 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 04:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 04:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  Although, FS1 is positioned to close the gap, at least during college football season, with the other half of the top B1G, PAC, and B12 inventory.

Not really. ESPN gets every other choice of game in the Big 12 and PAC and they still bought some access to a few top Big 10 games. They only lose 1 SEC per week to CBS and the rest is theirs. They own 100% of the ACC and that includes Clemson and Florida State of course.

So they have over 93% of the top conference in the nation for football, 100% of the top conference in the nation for basketball. Half of the PAC and Big 12 product and a better than 30% slice of the Big 10.

FOX simply can't close that gap without going for full rights to the PAC and Big 10 in the future and then they will hold similar but slightly weaker products when it comes to valuations.

In other words, they ain't catching up anytime soon!

The B1G is a great addition for FS1, but the real difference for ESPN is having the NFL and NBA. ESPN has been able to juggle the timing of its bids for those television rights with its carriage deals with cable providers to make sure the money is there to pay the rights fees. Since the fees are already in place, ESPN can bid with pretty high certainty that the revenue will be available. It would be a challenge for FS1 to bid against ESPN for those rights without assurance from cable systems that they would pick up the increased cost. FS1 might actually be better off bidding against NBC for the SNF package.

The problem there is the NFL wants the SNF package to be on network TV.

The writer puts a nice spin on it, but the reality is ESPN have major issues coming.
What the writer, who loves sports misses is a large portion of ESPN's money came/comes from those who don't watch ESPN but are forced to accept ESPN as part of their cable package. In the next decade the typical cable package will not exist. That means ESPN's high fee per subscriber will need to increase meaning only sports junkies will pay. There are not enough sports junkies out there to cover the high content cost ESPN are paying. The issues are coming to light now,
they will get worse as the years progress. The model no longer works.

(05-08-2017 03:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  http://awfulannouncing.com/espn/espn-757...llion.html


I know this is going to put a crimp in the style of some of you who have deep schadenfreude for the Mouse. But a little dose of truth and reality is a danged good thing!

It seems that ESPN (just the main channel) took in 7.57 billion in subscribers fees last year. FOX's FS1 took in only 1.16 billion. It was much worse for FS2 by comparison to ESPN2. But the article will fill you in on the gory details.

Oh, and by the way, did you know the SECN lost 78 million dollars in value from 2015-2016 which was only 1.66% of its total worth. But...the Big 10 Network lost 448 million in value from 2015-2016 and that represented 39.2% of it's total worth.

The PAC Networks 2016 value was 305 million or .305 billion.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/...=hootsuite