(05-08-2017 01:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:44 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:06 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Wow, the reputation of the conference is getting worse by the minute.............I am sooooo glad we went for markets lol If things don't improve, it surely makes one wonder if a breakup is increasing in odds by the minute. I don't think anyone knows what a good solution is.

Markets have nothing to do with this....it did at the time they were added. The powers to be did not judge the future correctly. But then again hardly anyone saw the bubble bursting.

At this point with streaming....

the content is greater than the eyes. And lets be honest, there is no one CUSA could have added (or kept) that would have meant more dollars. We all want to jump on FIU, UNCC, USTA, even ODU because they are "markets"

name me one school CUSA could have added that would put value over what it is today? You can't and to be honest...those 4 schools still give this conference a better shot at moving up the ranks of the G5 on the field and court. Than a Ark St or ULL or any other program CUSA had a chance of adding.

The only really bad mistake (yes a homer view) was adding Western, last, instead of earlier. But then again...not many saw that bubble was about to pop and Western added nothing as far as TV dollars go.

All of us needs to improve on the field/court play and no one has a right to judge any other school in that area. We all need to improve. Some just more than others.

I don't disagree with you. We had a good share of visible market under CUSA 2.0, not residing market. We were going to take a dive regardless, as much as some on here do not want to admit it, you can't simply replace a Memphis, ECU etc with many of the teams we brought in and call that even. Hence, in my opinion, the reflection of our latest contract.

Now the question comes, what do you do from here? We went the residing market direction and did not do a thing for us, in some cases better choices could have been made. Some schools were added strictly for that purpose. Not that it matters now, but what does matter is, what can the conference do to improve things for itself. I realize the market in total is flooded, has been for quite a while, but you must also realize that CUSA lost its foothold in the market place due to conference additions and subtractions, it is what it is. So what can the conference do to improve that side of things.

My answer is: nothing...........no matter how hard we promote, if you can't even get local fans interested in attending football games, you aren't going to get the national media to give a rats bottom either. The core of CUSA, including my beloved Marshall, isn't enough to move the scale. We had a good chance of continuing CUSA through competitive, winning % among the G5. Look how is started, NT, came in on fire, burned out fast, UTSA was turning heads, dwindled, ODU is faced with still earning its place even though they have done well, I would say the same about WKU but I really don't feel like arguing cause you guys have a good program but still earning your name in the football world. So with all the new faces in CUSA, some completely infant programs, we as a conference, needed them to keep on, keepin on, but that's not what happened. Just my 2 cents. You earn your prestige in this world, only way to do that is continued success, its not as hard to maintain after its earned. We aren't earning it enough at this point. SO bein, or whoever would rather air purdue vs. southeast community college of the damned instead of FAU vs. UTSA. That's where we stand right now.....and it shouldn't be.

The thing with Western and ODU and probably UNCC....

all 3 wants strong football and basketball and willing to spend the money needed to get there. More so ODU and Western but UNCC still is a basketball school. They just haven't showed they are willing to correct mistakes as quickly.

A strong conference is built by having strong programs in both sports...not just football. Football might have been driving the bus on conference alignment when there were major dollars to be made. As we see that is no longer the case. So today basketball is just as important as football...

need to keep the name CUSA in the sports world for Sept-March if we are going to do that. Some programs have shown over the history of their school...they are welling to invest. If they make the wrong investment they are going to get it correct at some point. I think the 3 basketball, first, schools (Western, ODU, UNCC) fit that mold.

All 3 also wants winning football but given the choice...they would take a conference basketball championship over football. So the football first schools need to up their game and to be honest that just isn't happening at this point.

A good conference is strong in both sports and with a mix of the top 6 or so teams winning in both more times than not. FIU is a football first school and shown this. So they need to do their part in football and get to average in basketball. I think they are getting there. UNT is spending the money which shows they want to win in both sports....now they need results.

But if we are being honest, it's the old school programs in this conference that hasn't lived up to their billing that is hurting the most. Those schools can't have losing football two years in a row or two out of three. They need to be at the top fighting for a conference championship more times than not.

That is somewhat true. But you can't say that has been the case the entire time since realignment. Rice has done ok, Marshall did very well until the head scratcher of last season, UTEP has always been up and down, UAB, well shoulda never disbanded football, and that brings us, imo, the most important program due to its role and how it changed. USM was a perennial CUSA leader on the field historically, decent basketball on the court, Bower always had a punch you in the nose team, in comes whats his name and they break open a bit and excel a little more, although short lived, then came ellis, wow, destroyed them in one year.........took Monken a long time to rebuild them to what they were before, now he is gone.. SO in my mind, USM, Marshall, and the other traditional football names, needed to represent, but it never seemed to happen at the same time with those programs. So yeah, you are correct. Had at least those two been squaring off against each other and both been on the uptick, would gathered some attention.

Would it have mattered that much for the whole conference. I honestly don't think it would have. In a 14 team conference, 5 hold overs from 2.0 just wasn't enough to matter. Conference should have stayed at 12, I never really understood the 14 deal. Anyways, it is what it is, and sooner or later, the question of where do we go from here, is going to be asked if its not already. Another bad tv deal, schools like LT, USM, Marshall, WKU, MT etc are gonna start talking, I just wonder what it could be that they can talk about, who knows.

(05-08-2017 02:08 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Another bad tv deal, schools like LT, USM, Marshall, WKU, MT etc are gonna start talking, I just wonder what it could be that they can talk about, who knows.

For Marshall and USM, they could talk about losing to a 4th-year football team in their own stadiums

(05-08-2017 01:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:44 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:06 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Wow, the reputation of the conference is getting worse by the minute.............I am sooooo glad we went for markets lol If things don't improve, it surely makes one wonder if a breakup is increasing in odds by the minute. I don't think anyone knows what a good solution is.

Markets have nothing to do with this....it did at the time they were added. The powers to be did not judge the future correctly. But then again hardly anyone saw the bubble bursting.

At this point with streaming....

the content is greater than the eyes. And lets be honest, there is no one CUSA could have added (or kept) that would have meant more dollars. We all want to jump on FIU, UNCC, USTA, even ODU because they are "markets"

name me one school CUSA could have added that would put value over what it is today? You can't and to be honest...those 4 schools still give this conference a better shot at moving up the ranks of the G5 on the field and court. Than a Ark St or ULL or any other program CUSA had a chance of adding.

The only really bad mistake (yes a homer view) was adding Western, last, instead of earlier. But then again...not many saw that bubble was about to pop and Western added nothing as far as TV dollars go.

All of us needs to improve on the field/court play and no one has a right to judge any other school in that area. We all need to improve. Some just more than others.

I don't disagree with you. We had a good share of visible market under CUSA 2.0, not residing market. We were going to take a dive regardless, as much as some on here do not want to admit it, you can't simply replace a Memphis, ECU etc with many of the teams we brought in and call that even. Hence, in my opinion, the reflection of our latest contract.

Now the question comes, what do you do from here? We went the residing market direction and did not do a thing for us, in some cases better choices could have been made. Some schools were added strictly for that purpose. Not that it matters now, but what does matter is, what can the conference do to improve things for itself. I realize the market in total is flooded, has been for quite a while, but you must also realize that CUSA lost its foothold in the market place due to conference additions and subtractions, it is what it is. So what can the conference do to improve that side of things.

My answer is: nothing...........no matter how hard we promote, if you can't even get local fans interested in attending football games, you aren't going to get the national media to give a rats bottom either. The core of CUSA, including my beloved Marshall, isn't enough to move the scale. We had a good chance of continuing CUSA through competitive, winning % among the G5. Look how is started, NT, came in on fire, burned out fast, UTSA was turning heads, dwindled, ODU is faced with still earning its place even though they have done well, I would say the same about WKU but I really don't feel like arguing cause you guys have a good program but still earning your name in the football world. So with all the new faces in CUSA, some completely infant programs, we as a conference, needed them to keep on, keepin on, but that's not what happened. Just my 2 cents. You earn your prestige in this world, only way to do that is continued success, its not as hard to maintain after its earned. We aren't earning it enough at this point. SO bein, or whoever would rather air purdue vs. southeast community college of the damned instead of FAU vs. UTSA. That's where we stand right now.....and it shouldn't be.

The thing with Western and ODU and probably UNCC....

all 3 wants strong football and basketball and willing to spend the money needed to get there. More so ODU and Western but UNCC still is a basketball school. They just haven't showed they are willing to correct mistakes as quickly.

A strong conference is built by having strong programs in both sports...not just football. Football might have been driving the bus on conference alignment when there were major dollars to be made. As we see that is no longer the case. So today basketball is just as important as football...

need to keep the name CUSA in the sports world for Sept-March if we are going to do that. Some programs have shown over the history of their school...they are welling to invest. If they make the wrong investment they are going to get it correct at some point. I think the 3 basketball, first, schools (Western, ODU, UNCC) fit that mold.

All 3 also wants winning football but given the choice...they would take a conference basketball championship over football. So the football first schools need to up their game and to be honest that just isn't happening at this point.

A good conference is strong in both sports and with a mix of the top 6 or so teams winning in both more times than not. FIU is a football first school and shown this. So they need to do their part in football and get to average in basketball. I think they are getting there. UNT is spending the money which shows they want to win in both sports....now they need results.

But if we are being honest, it's the old school programs in this conference that hasn't lived up to their billing that is hurting the most. Those schools can't have losing football two years in a row or two out of three. They need to be at the top fighting for a conference championship more times than not.

Lets be honest a strong conference has more to do with who wants to watch the teams in the conference than anything else. Apart from Usm and Marshal no one left in Cusa pushes the needle. If Usm and Marshall were not in CUsa things would be even worse.

Casual fans will sit and watch Usm or Marshall on tv because they have won big games and have great histories. No one else in current Cusa lineup has that. That's why Cusa has no tv contract.

Honestly for me. I would much rather be top 25 in basketball year in year out than football. You actually have a chance to do something on the national scene every year in basketball. Unlike football

(05-08-2017 03:45 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 01:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:44 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:06 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Wow, the reputation of the conference is getting worse by the minute.............I am sooooo glad we went for markets lol If things don't improve, it surely makes one wonder if a breakup is increasing in odds by the minute. I don't think anyone knows what a good solution is.

Markets have nothing to do with this....it did at the time they were added. The powers to be did not judge the future correctly. But then again hardly anyone saw the bubble bursting.

At this point with streaming....

the content is greater than the eyes. And lets be honest, there is no one CUSA could have added (or kept) that would have meant more dollars. We all want to jump on FIU, UNCC, USTA, even ODU because they are "markets"

name me one school CUSA could have added that would put value over what it is today? You can't and to be honest...those 4 schools still give this conference a better shot at moving up the ranks of the G5 on the field and court. Than a Ark St or ULL or any other program CUSA had a chance of adding.

The only really bad mistake (yes a homer view) was adding Western, last, instead of earlier. But then again...not many saw that bubble was about to pop and Western added nothing as far as TV dollars go.

All of us needs to improve on the field/court play and no one has a right to judge any other school in that area. We all need to improve. Some just more than others.

I don't disagree with you. We had a good share of visible market under CUSA 2.0, not residing market. We were going to take a dive regardless, as much as some on here do not want to admit it, you can't simply replace a Memphis, ECU etc with many of the teams we brought in and call that even. Hence, in my opinion, the reflection of our latest contract.

Now the question comes, what do you do from here? We went the residing market direction and did not do a thing for us, in some cases better choices could have been made. Some schools were added strictly for that purpose. Not that it matters now, but what does matter is, what can the conference do to improve things for itself. I realize the market in total is flooded, has been for quite a while, but you must also realize that CUSA lost its foothold in the market place due to conference additions and subtractions, it is what it is. So what can the conference do to improve that side of things.

My answer is: nothing...........no matter how hard we promote, if you can't even get local fans interested in attending football games, you aren't going to get the national media to give a rats bottom either. The core of CUSA, including my beloved Marshall, isn't enough to move the scale. We had a good chance of continuing CUSA through competitive, winning % among the G5. Look how is started, NT, came in on fire, burned out fast, UTSA was turning heads, dwindled, ODU is faced with still earning its place even though they have done well, I would say the same about WKU but I really don't feel like arguing cause you guys have a good program but still earning your name in the football world. So with all the new faces in CUSA, some completely infant programs, we as a conference, needed them to keep on, keepin on, but that's not what happened. Just my 2 cents. You earn your prestige in this world, only way to do that is continued success, its not as hard to maintain after its earned. We aren't earning it enough at this point. SO bein, or whoever would rather air purdue vs. southeast community college of the damned instead of FAU vs. UTSA. That's where we stand right now.....and it shouldn't be.

The thing with Western and ODU and probably UNCC....

all 3 wants strong football and basketball and willing to spend the money needed to get there. More so ODU and Western but UNCC still is a basketball school. They just haven't showed they are willing to correct mistakes as quickly.

A strong conference is built by having strong programs in both sports...not just football. Football might have been driving the bus on conference alignment when there were major dollars to be made. As we see that is no longer the case. So today basketball is just as important as football...

need to keep the name CUSA in the sports world for Sept-March if we are going to do that. Some programs have shown over the history of their school...they are welling to invest. If they make the wrong investment they are going to get it correct at some point. I think the 3 basketball, first, schools (Western, ODU, UNCC) fit that mold.

All 3 also wants winning football but given the choice...they would take a conference basketball championship over football. So the football first schools need to up their game and to be honest that just isn't happening at this point.

A good conference is strong in both sports and with a mix of the top 6 or so teams winning in both more times than not. FIU is a football first school and shown this. So they need to do their part in football and get to average in basketball. I think they are getting there. UNT is spending the money which shows they want to win in both sports....now they need results.

But if we are being honest, it's the old school programs in this conference that hasn't lived up to their billing that is hurting the most. Those schools can't have losing football two years in a row or two out of three. They need to be at the top fighting for a conference championship more times than not.

Lets be honest a strong conference has more to do with who wants to watch the teams in the conference than anything else. Apart from Usm and Marshal no one left in Cusa pushes the needle. If Usm and Marshall were not on CUsa things would be even worse.

If you were being honest....

you would know that just isnt the case.

Tech vs Western had higher ratings than S. Miss vs Western in the conference championship game. As a matter of fact it was the highest rated CUSA championship game since 2011....up 62% in viewership from Rice/Marshall and 23%, from Tulsa/UCF in 2012

S. Miss and Marshall do not move the needle...just as ECU doesn't. Stop fooling yourself into thinking otherwise. Not one of us moves the needle. It's one reason espn was willing to pay the Big 12 10s of million not to add AAC schools.

(05-08-2017 03:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 03:45 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 01:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:44 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Markets have nothing to do with this....it did at the time they were added. The powers to be did not judge the future correctly. But then again hardly anyone saw the bubble bursting.

At this point with streaming....

the content is greater than the eyes. And lets be honest, there is no one CUSA could have added (or kept) that would have meant more dollars. We all want to jump on FIU, UNCC, USTA, even ODU because they are "markets"

name me one school CUSA could have added that would put value over what it is today? You can't and to be honest...those 4 schools still give this conference a better shot at moving up the ranks of the G5 on the field and court. Than a Ark St or ULL or any other program CUSA had a chance of adding.

The only really bad mistake (yes a homer view) was adding Western, last, instead of earlier. But then again...not many saw that bubble was about to pop and Western added nothing as far as TV dollars go.

All of us needs to improve on the field/court play and no one has a right to judge any other school in that area. We all need to improve. Some just more than others.

I don't disagree with you. We had a good share of visible market under CUSA 2.0, not residing market. We were going to take a dive regardless, as much as some on here do not want to admit it, you can't simply replace a Memphis, ECU etc with many of the teams we brought in and call that even. Hence, in my opinion, the reflection of our latest contract.

Now the question comes, what do you do from here? We went the residing market direction and did not do a thing for us, in some cases better choices could have been made. Some schools were added strictly for that purpose. Not that it matters now, but what does matter is, what can the conference do to improve things for itself. I realize the market in total is flooded, has been for quite a while, but you must also realize that CUSA lost its foothold in the market place due to conference additions and subtractions, it is what it is. So what can the conference do to improve that side of things.

My answer is: nothing...........no matter how hard we promote, if you can't even get local fans interested in attending football games, you aren't going to get the national media to give a rats bottom either. The core of CUSA, including my beloved Marshall, isn't enough to move the scale. We had a good chance of continuing CUSA through competitive, winning % among the G5. Look how is started, NT, came in on fire, burned out fast, UTSA was turning heads, dwindled, ODU is faced with still earning its place even though they have done well, I would say the same about WKU but I really don't feel like arguing cause you guys have a good program but still earning your name in the football world. So with all the new faces in CUSA, some completely infant programs, we as a conference, needed them to keep on, keepin on, but that's not what happened. Just my 2 cents. You earn your prestige in this world, only way to do that is continued success, its not as hard to maintain after its earned. We aren't earning it enough at this point. SO bein, or whoever would rather air purdue vs. southeast community college of the damned instead of FAU vs. UTSA. That's where we stand right now.....and it shouldn't be.

The thing with Western and ODU and probably UNCC....

all 3 wants strong football and basketball and willing to spend the money needed to get there. More so ODU and Western but UNCC still is a basketball school. They just haven't showed they are willing to correct mistakes as quickly.

A strong conference is built by having strong programs in both sports...not just football. Football might have been driving the bus on conference alignment when there were major dollars to be made. As we see that is no longer the case. So today basketball is just as important as football...

need to keep the name CUSA in the sports world for Sept-March if we are going to do that. Some programs have shown over the history of their school...they are welling to invest. If they make the wrong investment they are going to get it correct at some point. I think the 3 basketball, first, schools (Western, ODU, UNCC) fit that mold.

All 3 also wants winning football but given the choice...they would take a conference basketball championship over football. So the football first schools need to up their game and to be honest that just isn't happening at this point.

A good conference is strong in both sports and with a mix of the top 6 or so teams winning in both more times than not. FIU is a football first school and shown this. So they need to do their part in football and get to average in basketball. I think they are getting there. UNT is spending the money which shows they want to win in both sports....now they need results.

But if we are being honest, it's the old school programs in this conference that hasn't lived up to their billing that is hurting the most. Those schools can't have losing football two years in a row or two out of three. They need to be at the top fighting for a conference championship more times than not.

Lets be honest a strong conference has more to do with who wants to watch the teams in the conference than anything else. Apart from Usm and Marshal no one left in Cusa pushes the needle. If Usm and Marshall were not on CUsa things would be even worse.

If you were being honest....

you would know that just isnt the case.

Tech vs Western had higher ratings than S. Miss vs Western in the conference championship game. As a matter of fact it was the highest rated CUSA championship game since 2011....up 62% in viewership from Rice/Marshall and 23%, from Tulsa/UCF in 2012

S. Miss and Marshall do not move the needle...just as ECU doesn't. Stop fooling yourself into thinking otherwise. Not one of us moves the needle. It's one reason espn was willing to pay the Big 12 10s of million not to add AAC schools.

Sad, but true. No G5 moves a national needle. Teams like Marshall, ECU, Cinci, USM & Houston move the needle regionally though. At least in football. And I think ODU, UNC-C, UTEP, La T, UTSA, WKU, UAB, MTSU all have a chance to get to the point where they move the needle regionally in football as well. They already do in basketball.

(05-08-2017 02:21 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 02:08 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Another bad tv deal, schools like LT, USM, Marshall, WKU, MT etc are gonna start talking, I just wonder what it could be that they can talk about, who knows.

For Marshall and USM, they could talk about losing to a 4th-year football team in their own stadiums

That was definitely very embarrassing. Had it not been for e12Loss and his death penalty in the previous years, it would have been greatly upsetting.

(05-08-2017 03:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 03:45 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 01:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:44 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Markets have nothing to do with this....it did at the time they were added. The powers to be did not judge the future correctly. But then again hardly anyone saw the bubble bursting.

At this point with streaming....

the content is greater than the eyes. And lets be honest, there is no one CUSA could have added (or kept) that would have meant more dollars. We all want to jump on FIU, UNCC, USTA, even ODU because they are "markets"

name me one school CUSA could have added that would put value over what it is today? You can't and to be honest...those 4 schools still give this conference a better shot at moving up the ranks of the G5 on the field and court. Than a Ark St or ULL or any other program CUSA had a chance of adding.

The only really bad mistake (yes a homer view) was adding Western, last, instead of earlier. But then again...not many saw that bubble was about to pop and Western added nothing as far as TV dollars go.

All of us needs to improve on the field/court play and no one has a right to judge any other school in that area. We all need to improve. Some just more than others.

I don't disagree with you. We had a good share of visible market under CUSA 2.0, not residing market. We were going to take a dive regardless, as much as some on here do not want to admit it, you can't simply replace a Memphis, ECU etc with many of the teams we brought in and call that even. Hence, in my opinion, the reflection of our latest contract.

Now the question comes, what do you do from here? We went the residing market direction and did not do a thing for us, in some cases better choices could have been made. Some schools were added strictly for that purpose. Not that it matters now, but what does matter is, what can the conference do to improve things for itself. I realize the market in total is flooded, has been for quite a while, but you must also realize that CUSA lost its foothold in the market place due to conference additions and subtractions, it is what it is. So what can the conference do to improve that side of things.

My answer is: nothing...........no matter how hard we promote, if you can't even get local fans interested in attending football games, you aren't going to get the national media to give a rats bottom either. The core of CUSA, including my beloved Marshall, isn't enough to move the scale. We had a good chance of continuing CUSA through competitive, winning % among the G5. Look how is started, NT, came in on fire, burned out fast, UTSA was turning heads, dwindled, ODU is faced with still earning its place even though they have done well, I would say the same about WKU but I really don't feel like arguing cause you guys have a good program but still earning your name in the football world. So with all the new faces in CUSA, some completely infant programs, we as a conference, needed them to keep on, keepin on, but that's not what happened. Just my 2 cents. You earn your prestige in this world, only way to do that is continued success, its not as hard to maintain after its earned. We aren't earning it enough at this point. SO bein, or whoever would rather air purdue vs. southeast community college of the damned instead of FAU vs. UTSA. That's where we stand right now.....and it shouldn't be.

The thing with Western and ODU and probably UNCC....

all 3 wants strong football and basketball and willing to spend the money needed to get there. More so ODU and Western but UNCC still is a basketball school. They just haven't showed they are willing to correct mistakes as quickly.

A strong conference is built by having strong programs in both sports...not just football. Football might have been driving the bus on conference alignment when there were major dollars to be made. As we see that is no longer the case. So today basketball is just as important as football...

need to keep the name CUSA in the sports world for Sept-March if we are going to do that. Some programs have shown over the history of their school...they are welling to invest. If they make the wrong investment they are going to get it correct at some point. I think the 3 basketball, first, schools (Western, ODU, UNCC) fit that mold.

All 3 also wants winning football but given the choice...they would take a conference basketball championship over football. So the football first schools need to up their game and to be honest that just isn't happening at this point.

A good conference is strong in both sports and with a mix of the top 6 or so teams winning in both more times than not. FIU is a football first school and shown this. So they need to do their part in football and get to average in basketball. I think they are getting there. UNT is spending the money which shows they want to win in both sports....now they need results.

But if we are being honest, it's the old school programs in this conference that hasn't lived up to their billing that is hurting the most. Those schools can't have losing football two years in a row or two out of three. They need to be at the top fighting for a conference championship more times than not.

Lets be honest a strong conference has more to do with who wants to watch the teams in the conference than anything else. Apart from Usm and Marshal no one left in Cusa pushes the needle. If Usm and Marshall were not on CUsa things would be even worse.

If you were being honest....

you would know that just isnt the case.

Tech vs Western had higher ratings than S. Miss vs Western in the conference championship game. As a matter of fact it was the highest rated CUSA championship game since 2011....up 62% in viewership from Rice/Marshall and 23%, from Tulsa/UCF in 2012

S. Miss and Marshall do not move the needle...just as ECU doesn't. Stop fooling yourself into thinking otherwise. Not one of us moves the needle. It's one reason espn was willing to pay the Big 12 10s of million not to add AAC schools.

One game does not a legacy make. Both Marshall and USM have a pedigree that has earned them casual viewers in a way that others in conference have not.

Screw you and your AAC buddies, Baruna. We don't need your input.

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(05-08-2017 05:19 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 03:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 03:45 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 01:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:44 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  I don't disagree with you. We had a good share of visible market under CUSA 2.0, not residing market. We were going to take a dive regardless, as much as some on here do not want to admit it, you can't simply replace a Memphis, ECU etc with many of the teams we brought in and call that even. Hence, in my opinion, the reflection of our latest contract.

Now the question comes, what do you do from here? We went the residing market direction and did not do a thing for us, in some cases better choices could have been made. Some schools were added strictly for that purpose. Not that it matters now, but what does matter is, what can the conference do to improve things for itself. I realize the market in total is flooded, has been for quite a while, but you must also realize that CUSA lost its foothold in the market place due to conference additions and subtractions, it is what it is. So what can the conference do to improve that side of things.

My answer is: nothing...........no matter how hard we promote, if you can't even get local fans interested in attending football games, you aren't going to get the national media to give a rats bottom either. The core of CUSA, including my beloved Marshall, isn't enough to move the scale. We had a good chance of continuing CUSA through competitive, winning % among the G5. Look how is started, NT, came in on fire, burned out fast, UTSA was turning heads, dwindled, ODU is faced with still earning its place even though they have done well, I would say the same about WKU but I really don't feel like arguing cause you guys have a good program but still earning your name in the football world. So with all the new faces in CUSA, some completely infant programs, we as a conference, needed them to keep on, keepin on, but that's not what happened. Just my 2 cents. You earn your prestige in this world, only way to do that is continued success, its not as hard to maintain after its earned. We aren't earning it enough at this point. SO bein, or whoever would rather air purdue vs. southeast community college of the damned instead of FAU vs. UTSA. That's where we stand right now.....and it shouldn't be.

The thing with Western and ODU and probably UNCC....

all 3 wants strong football and basketball and willing to spend the money needed to get there. More so ODU and Western but UNCC still is a basketball school. They just haven't showed they are willing to correct mistakes as quickly.

A strong conference is built by having strong programs in both sports...not just football. Football might have been driving the bus on conference alignment when there were major dollars to be made. As we see that is no longer the case. So today basketball is just as important as football...

need to keep the name CUSA in the sports world for Sept-March if we are going to do that. Some programs have shown over the history of their school...they are welling to invest. If they make the wrong investment they are going to get it correct at some point. I think the 3 basketball, first, schools (Western, ODU, UNCC) fit that mold.

All 3 also wants winning football but given the choice...they would take a conference basketball championship over football. So the football first schools need to up their game and to be honest that just isn't happening at this point.

A good conference is strong in both sports and with a mix of the top 6 or so teams winning in both more times than not. FIU is a football first school and shown this. So they need to do their part in football and get to average in basketball. I think they are getting there. UNT is spending the money which shows they want to win in both sports....now they need results.

But if we are being honest, it's the old school programs in this conference that hasn't lived up to their billing that is hurting the most. Those schools can't have losing football two years in a row or two out of three. They need to be at the top fighting for a conference championship more times than not.

Lets be honest a strong conference has more to do with who wants to watch the teams in the conference than anything else. Apart from Usm and Marshal no one left in Cusa pushes the needle. If Usm and Marshall were not on CUsa things would be even worse.

If you were being honest....

you would know that just isnt the case.

Tech vs Western had higher ratings than S. Miss vs Western in the conference championship game. As a matter of fact it was the highest rated CUSA championship game since 2011....up 62% in viewership from Rice/Marshall and 23%, from Tulsa/UCF in 2012

S. Miss and Marshall do not move the needle...just as ECU doesn't. Stop fooling yourself into thinking otherwise. Not one of us moves the needle. It's one reason espn was willing to pay the Big 12 10s of million not to add AAC schools.

One game does not a legacy make. Both Marshall and USM have a pedigree that has earned them casual viewers in a way that others in conference have not.

Prove it? because the numbers don't back you up and just for the record I only listed one game. It doesn't mean I didn't have others. So I will wait for to prove what you say ...well anything but your opinion. Right now that's the only thing you have. To any S.Miss or Marshall fan reading this...

has nothing to do with me thinking any less of either program because Western is defending champions or think Western is any bigger of a draw. Just trying to prove a point to this guy, without sounding like I'm knocking either school or your history.

As I said...NONE of us move that needle and the TV contract shows this. Just as the AAC will find out...Houston is the only draw they have and it will not keep them from taking a huge hit. The others don't draw much in the ratings.

(05-08-2017 02:21 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 02:08 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Another bad tv deal, schools like LT, USM, Marshall, WKU, MT etc are gonna start talking, I just wonder what it could be that they can talk about, who knows.

For Marshall and USM, they could talk about losing to a 4th-year football team in their own stadiums

Pretty demoralizing, I agree...

or USM could talk about beating Alabama...and Auburn....and LSU....and FSU...and Kentucky...and MSUcks...and Old Priss....and Okie State...and Illinois....and Nebraska...and Georgia....and TCU....and UL ...and UH.....and.............

while you guys can brag about beating your.......

(05-08-2017 03:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 03:45 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 01:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:44 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Markets have nothing to do with this....it did at the time they were added. The powers to be did not judge the future correctly. But then again hardly anyone saw the bubble bursting.

At this point with streaming....

the content is greater than the eyes. And lets be honest, there is no one CUSA could have added (or kept) that would have meant more dollars. We all want to jump on FIU, UNCC, USTA, even ODU because they are "markets"

name me one school CUSA could have added that would put value over what it is today? You can't and to be honest...those 4 schools still give this conference a better shot at moving up the ranks of the G5 on the field and court. Than a Ark St or ULL or any other program CUSA had a chance of adding.

The only really bad mistake (yes a homer view) was adding Western, last, instead of earlier. But then again...not many saw that bubble was about to pop and Western added nothing as far as TV dollars go.

All of us needs to improve on the field/court play and no one has a right to judge any other school in that area. We all need to improve. Some just more than others.

I don't disagree with you. We had a good share of visible market under CUSA 2.0, not residing market. We were going to take a dive regardless, as much as some on here do not want to admit it, you can't simply replace a Memphis, ECU etc with many of the teams we brought in and call that even. Hence, in my opinion, the reflection of our latest contract.

Now the question comes, what do you do from here? We went the residing market direction and did not do a thing for us, in some cases better choices could have been made. Some schools were added strictly for that purpose. Not that it matters now, but what does matter is, what can the conference do to improve things for itself. I realize the market in total is flooded, has been for quite a while, but you must also realize that CUSA lost its foothold in the market place due to conference additions and subtractions, it is what it is. So what can the conference do to improve that side of things.

My answer is: nothing...........no matter how hard we promote, if you can't even get local fans interested in attending football games, you aren't going to get the national media to give a rats bottom either. The core of CUSA, including my beloved Marshall, isn't enough to move the scale. We had a good chance of continuing CUSA through competitive, winning % among the G5. Look how is started, NT, came in on fire, burned out fast, UTSA was turning heads, dwindled, ODU is faced with still earning its place even though they have done well, I would say the same about WKU but I really don't feel like arguing cause you guys have a good program but still earning your name in the football world. So with all the new faces in CUSA, some completely infant programs, we as a conference, needed them to keep on, keepin on, but that's not what happened. Just my 2 cents. You earn your prestige in this world, only way to do that is continued success, its not as hard to maintain after its earned. We aren't earning it enough at this point. SO bein, or whoever would rather air purdue vs. southeast community college of the damned instead of FAU vs. UTSA. That's where we stand right now.....and it shouldn't be.

The thing with Western and ODU and probably UNCC....

all 3 wants strong football and basketball and willing to spend the money needed to get there. More so ODU and Western but UNCC still is a basketball school. They just haven't showed they are willing to correct mistakes as quickly.

A strong conference is built by having strong programs in both sports...not just football. Football might have been driving the bus on conference alignment when there were major dollars to be made. As we see that is no longer the case. So today basketball is just as important as football...

need to keep the name CUSA in the sports world for Sept-March if we are going to do that. Some programs have shown over the history of their school...they are welling to invest. If they make the wrong investment they are going to get it correct at some point. I think the 3 basketball, first, schools (Western, ODU, UNCC) fit that mold.

All 3 also wants winning football but given the choice...they would take a conference basketball championship over football. So the football first schools need to up their game and to be honest that just isn't happening at this point.

A good conference is strong in both sports and with a mix of the top 6 or so teams winning in both more times than not. FIU is a football first school and shown this. So they need to do their part in football and get to average in basketball. I think they are getting there. UNT is spending the money which shows they want to win in both sports....now they need results.

But if we are being honest, it's the old school programs in this conference that hasn't lived up to their billing that is hurting the most. Those schools can't have losing football two years in a row or two out of three. They need to be at the top fighting for a conference championship more times than not.

Lets be honest a strong conference has more to do with who wants to watch the teams in the conference than anything else. Apart from Usm and Marshal no one left in Cusa pushes the needle. If Usm and Marshall were not on CUsa things would be even worse.

If you were being honest....

you would know that just isnt the case.

Tech vs Western had higher ratings than S. Miss vs Western in the conference championship game. As a matter of fact it was the highest rated CUSA championship game since 2011....up 62% in viewership from Rice/Marshall and 23%, from Tulsa/UCF in 2012

S. Miss and Marshall do not move the needle...just as ECU doesn't. Stop fooling yourself into thinking otherwise. Not one of us moves the needle. It's one reason espn was willing to pay the Big 12 10s of million not to add AAC schools.

You "forgot" that 2011 championship rating was the Grandaddy of them all...

...and when a good football school such as WKU can't draw flies at home, I suggest the rest o' the country doesn't give a shite either

(05-08-2017 12:11 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  CUSATV should be working on developing their programming and brand right fricken now. They stunk it up last year, but there is hope. I know we all would subscribe and would make well more than 200K each with it.

We should have already been developing our own network. C-USA needs to get our media rights back, and focus on developing live streaming content and recorded programs. We need to develop our own continuous live streaming online channel. Once we reach a point where we can broadcast live content from 6am until 9pm (15 hours a day), on the C-USA website, we could approach various satellite, and cable companies about signing on for distribution.

I know the Mountain failed, but streaming and social media has changed everything about how conferences can reach their fans. An independent C-USATV satellite/cable channel could succeed, if properly supported by online streaming and social media marketing.

If we want descent kickoff times and quality coverage of our teams, this is the only path forward that I can see.

(05-08-2017 09:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:11 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  CUSATV should be working on developing their programming and brand right fricken now. They stunk it up last year, but there is hope. I know we all would subscribe and would make well more than 200K each with it.

We should have already been developing our own network. C-USA needs to get our media rights back, and focus on developing live streaming content and recorded programs. We need to develop our own continuous live streaming online channel. Once we reach a point where we can broadcast live content from 6am until 9pm (15 hours a day), on the C-USA website, we could approach various satellite, and cable companies about signing on for distribution.

I know the Mountain failed, but streaming and social media has changed everything about how conferences can reach their fans. An independent C-USATV satellite/cable channel could succeed, if properly supported by online streaming and social media marketing.

If we want descent kickoff times and quality coverage of our teams, this is the only path forward that I can see.

I am all for this. We control our media exposure and can sell our premium matchups to the highest bidder.

(05-08-2017 06:45 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 03:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 03:45 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 01:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:44 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  I don't disagree with you. We had a good share of visible market under CUSA 2.0, not residing market. We were going to take a dive regardless, as much as some on here do not want to admit it, you can't simply replace a Memphis, ECU etc with many of the teams we brought in and call that even. Hence, in my opinion, the reflection of our latest contract.

Now the question comes, what do you do from here? We went the residing market direction and did not do a thing for us, in some cases better choices could have been made. Some schools were added strictly for that purpose. Not that it matters now, but what does matter is, what can the conference do to improve things for itself. I realize the market in total is flooded, has been for quite a while, but you must also realize that CUSA lost its foothold in the market place due to conference additions and subtractions, it is what it is. So what can the conference do to improve that side of things.

My answer is: nothing...........no matter how hard we promote, if you can't even get local fans interested in attending football games, you aren't going to get the national media to give a rats bottom either. The core of CUSA, including my beloved Marshall, isn't enough to move the scale. We had a good chance of continuing CUSA through competitive, winning % among the G5. Look how is started, NT, came in on fire, burned out fast, UTSA was turning heads, dwindled, ODU is faced with still earning its place even though they have done well, I would say the same about WKU but I really don't feel like arguing cause you guys have a good program but still earning your name in the football world. So with all the new faces in CUSA, some completely infant programs, we as a conference, needed them to keep on, keepin on, but that's not what happened. Just my 2 cents. You earn your prestige in this world, only way to do that is continued success, its not as hard to maintain after its earned. We aren't earning it enough at this point. SO bein, or whoever would rather air purdue vs. southeast community college of the damned instead of FAU vs. UTSA. That's where we stand right now.....and it shouldn't be.

The thing with Western and ODU and probably UNCC....

all 3 wants strong football and basketball and willing to spend the money needed to get there. More so ODU and Western but UNCC still is a basketball school. They just haven't showed they are willing to correct mistakes as quickly.

A strong conference is built by having strong programs in both sports...not just football. Football might have been driving the bus on conference alignment when there were major dollars to be made. As we see that is no longer the case. So today basketball is just as important as football...

need to keep the name CUSA in the sports world for Sept-March if we are going to do that. Some programs have shown over the history of their school...they are welling to invest. If they make the wrong investment they are going to get it correct at some point. I think the 3 basketball, first, schools (Western, ODU, UNCC) fit that mold.

All 3 also wants winning football but given the choice...they would take a conference basketball championship over football. So the football first schools need to up their game and to be honest that just isn't happening at this point.

A good conference is strong in both sports and with a mix of the top 6 or so teams winning in both more times than not. FIU is a football first school and shown this. So they need to do their part in football and get to average in basketball. I think they are getting there. UNT is spending the money which shows they want to win in both sports....now they need results.

But if we are being honest, it's the old school programs in this conference that hasn't lived up to their billing that is hurting the most. Those schools can't have losing football two years in a row or two out of three. They need to be at the top fighting for a conference championship more times than not.

Lets be honest a strong conference has more to do with who wants to watch the teams in the conference than anything else. Apart from Usm and Marshal no one left in Cusa pushes the needle. If Usm and Marshall were not on CUsa things would be even worse.

If you were being honest....

you would know that just isnt the case.

Tech vs Western had higher ratings than S. Miss vs Western in the conference championship game. As a matter of fact it was the highest rated CUSA championship game since 2011....up 62% in viewership from Rice/Marshall and 23%, from Tulsa/UCF in 2012

S. Miss and Marshall do not move the needle...just as ECU doesn't. Stop fooling yourself into thinking otherwise. Not one of us moves the needle. It's one reason espn was willing to pay the Big 12 10s of million not to add AAC schools.

You "forgot" that 2011 championship rating was the Grandaddy of them all...

...and when a good football school such as WKU can't draw flies at home, I suggest the rest o' the country doesn't give a shite either

Be careful with facts. Gives those red thingys diarrhea

(05-08-2017 10:18 PM)TheChosenOne Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 06:45 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 03:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 03:45 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 01:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  The thing with Western and ODU and probably UNCC....

all 3 wants strong football and basketball and willing to spend the money needed to get there. More so ODU and Western but UNCC still is a basketball school. They just haven't showed they are willing to correct mistakes as quickly.

A strong conference is built by having strong programs in both sports...not just football. Football might have been driving the bus on conference alignment when there were major dollars to be made. As we see that is no longer the case. So today basketball is just as important as football...

need to keep the name CUSA in the sports world for Sept-March if we are going to do that. Some programs have shown over the history of their school...they are welling to invest. If they make the wrong investment they are going to get it correct at some point. I think the 3 basketball, first, schools (Western, ODU, UNCC) fit that mold.

All 3 also wants winning football but given the choice...they would take a conference basketball championship over football. So the football first schools need to up their game and to be honest that just isn't happening at this point.

A good conference is strong in both sports and with a mix of the top 6 or so teams winning in both more times than not. FIU is a football first school and shown this. So they need to do their part in football and get to average in basketball. I think they are getting there. UNT is spending the money which shows they want to win in both sports....now they need results.

But if we are being honest, it's the old school programs in this conference that hasn't lived up to their billing that is hurting the most. Those schools can't have losing football two years in a row or two out of three. They need to be at the top fighting for a conference championship more times than not.

Lets be honest a strong conference has more to do with who wants to watch the teams in the conference than anything else. Apart from Usm and Marshal no one left in Cusa pushes the needle. If Usm and Marshall were not on CUsa things would be even worse.

If you were being honest....

you would know that just isnt the case.

Tech vs Western had higher ratings than S. Miss vs Western in the conference championship game. As a matter of fact it was the highest rated CUSA championship game since 2011....up 62% in viewership from Rice/Marshall and 23%, from Tulsa/UCF in 2012

S. Miss and Marshall do not move the needle...just as ECU doesn't. Stop fooling yourself into thinking otherwise. Not one of us moves the needle. It's one reason espn was willing to pay the Big 12 10s of million not to add AAC schools.

You "forgot" that 2011 championship rating was the Grandaddy of them all...

...and when a good football school such as WKU can't draw flies at home, I suggest the rest o' the country doesn't give a shite either

Be careful with facts. Gives those red thingys diarrhea

I guess you two S. Miss fans are like females....."am I the prettiest girl in the room"

As for facts I guess not only do you act like females you also only see what you want. I guess you missed the part that said SINCE 2011. But lets get real that game was played on ABC and had more to do with Houston playing for a BCS spot than who Houston was playing. Now if you like facts...

those are the facts

But hey you are the prettiest girl in the room....you are still ugly as hell in terms of moving that needle and no one wants to see your team play...

any more than the rest of us

(05-08-2017 10:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 10:18 PM)TheChosenOne Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 06:45 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 03:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 03:45 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Lets be honest a strong conference has more to do with who wants to watch the teams in the conference than anything else. Apart from Usm and Marshal no one left in Cusa pushes the needle. If Usm and Marshall were not on CUsa things would be even worse.

If you were being honest....

you would know that just isnt the case.

Tech vs Western had higher ratings than S. Miss vs Western in the conference championship game. As a matter of fact it was the highest rated CUSA championship game since 2011....up 62% in viewership from Rice/Marshall and 23%, from Tulsa/UCF in 2012

S. Miss and Marshall do not move the needle...just as ECU doesn't. Stop fooling yourself into thinking otherwise. Not one of us moves the needle. It's one reason espn was willing to pay the Big 12 10s of million not to add AAC schools.

You "forgot" that 2011 championship rating was the Grandaddy of them all...

...and when a good football school such as WKU can't draw flies at home, I suggest the rest o' the country doesn't give a shite either

Be careful with facts. Gives those red thingys diarrhea

I guess you two S. Miss fans are like females....."am I the prettiest girl in the room"

As for facts I guess not only do you act like females you also only see what you want. I guess you missed the part that said SINCE 2011. But lets get real that game was played on ABC and had more to do with Houston playing for a BCS spot than who Houston was playing. Now if you like facts...

those are the facts

But hey you are the prettiest girl in the room....you are still ugly as hell in terms of moving that needle and no one wants to see your team play...

any more than the rest of us

And there ya go, red thingys now have diarrhea. But yes, I am purty. Thanks for the compliment

I'm a fan of using social media to distribute our media rights, especially Twitter, Facebook, or even streaming services like Netflix/Amazon Prime. Start the media deal (first two years) by allowing local stations to pick up the games, with the caveat that CUSA gets some revenue if the games get a certain rating, and CUSA can advertise the 'new' media platform on these games. Eventually, people will say, "Oh, ODU has a basketball game tonight? Well, it'll be on Twitter, so I know I can watch it."

Guess we'll find out what really happens soon.

(05-08-2017 09:22 PM)Soaring Eagle Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 09:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:11 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  CUSATV should be working on developing their programming and brand right fricken now. They stunk it up last year, but there is hope. I know we all would subscribe and would make well more than 200K each with it.

We should have already been developing our own network. C-USA needs to get our media rights back, and focus on developing live streaming content and recorded programs. We need to develop our own continuous live streaming online channel. Once we reach a point where we can broadcast live content from 6am until 9pm (15 hours a day), on the C-USA website, we could approach various satellite, and cable companies about signing on for distribution.

I know the Mountain failed, but streaming and social media has changed everything about how conferences can reach their fans. An independent C-USATV satellite/cable channel could succeed, if properly supported by online streaming and social media marketing.

If we want descent kickoff times and quality coverage of our teams, this is the only path forward that I can see.

I am all for this. We control our media exposure and can sell our premium matchups to the highest bidder.

The supposed positive from our last tv contract was that every CUSA school would be required to have ESPN ready broadcasting equipment set up and ready to develop and broadcast our own material. That was so we could develop CUSATV before the next tv contract started. I don't know where we are in that development since its only a year into this media contract. I do know the FIU and Tech aren't ready as I saw horrible broadcast for both last year.

(05-08-2017 12:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 12:06 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Wow, the reputation of the conference is getting worse by the minute.............I am sooooo glad we went for markets lol If things don't improve, it surely makes one wonder if a breakup is increasing in odds by the minute. I don't think anyone knows what a good solution is.

Markets have nothing to do with this....it did at the time they were added. The powers to be did not judge the future correctly. But then again hardly anyone saw the bubble bursting.

At this point with streaming....

the content is greater than the eyes. And lets be honest, there is no one CUSA could have added (or kept) that would have meant more dollars. We all want to jump on FIU, UNCC, USTA, even ODU because they are "markets"

name me one school CUSA could have added that would put value over what it is today? You can't and to be honest...those 4 schools still give this conference a better shot at moving up the ranks of the G5 on the field and court. Than a Ark St or ULL or any other program CUSA had a chance of adding.

The only really bad mistake (yes a homer view) was adding Western, last, instead of earlier. But then again...not many saw that bubble was about to pop and Western added nothing as far as TV dollars go.

All of us needs to improve on the field/court play and no one has a right to judge any other school in that area. We all need to improve. Some just more than others.

i kinda disagree here, in college perception is everything, even when they were added. c-usa addded on a big 10 model which revenue drastically increases with new markets. that has NEVER been the case with any non power conference.. our worth has always been how to compete against the p5 and whats our perception. you can't say bubble burst when that wasn't our bubble

im not gonna say anything bad about any current member but if you had added ark state, la la (who was good at the time), ga southern (proven winner) and kept the conference size to 10 (with the proven competitors) instead of a few long term projects your money would be drastically improved

if that had happens there would be legitimate debates that you are by far better the current mwc and a ton more quality conference. your long term projects could have developed elsewhere and rejoined after they proved themselves

i know everyone here likes to blame it on the market or bubble, but bein was essentially getting it for free, so was asn, so shrinking money wasn't the issue but they are turning their back.
c-usa problem isnt the market, its that only 3 teams maybe 4 are considered not horrible (from a p5/national perspective) in 13 teams and those 3 dont always play each other (divisions) and most of your great OOC games are one and done (their control).. there are maybe 6-8 national worthy games in your catalog of over 100 and are asking networks to air most of the 100

i can see a lot more money (in comparison to the g5 standard) if your league perception rivaled the MWC and you catalog was deeper with more quality games to give to the networks ...i listened to college football podcast the other saying and they were saying there wasnt any really difference between c-usa & the sunbelt (the conference you raided)